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CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? #1720791 01/03/15 05:22 PM 01/03/15 05:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT gdonovan OP I Live Here
gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Anyone using this setup? The CompCams 911 spring is recommended up to 500 lift B/RB but are a larger diameter than the factory spring. I called a vendor and ordered a "drop in" replacement set of springs and I'm a little uncomfortable how they set in the factory retainers. Thoughts? Don't worry about it? Did a board search and several members have used them but no word of the retainers. "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720792 01/03/15 05:24 PM 01/03/15 05:24 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,066 U.S.S.A.	I personally do not like it when the springs are allowed to walk around because they don't fit the retainers, or the step in the head, properly. They are cheap enough for retainers , cups and shims so I buy them. And there is no such thing as a DROP in set of springs ...

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: JohnRR] #1720793 01/03/15 05:28 PM 01/03/15 05:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT gdonovan OP I Live Here
gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: I personally do not like it when the springs are allowed to walk around because they don't fit the retainers, or the step in the head, properly. They are cheap enough for retainers , cups and shims so I buy them. And there is no such thing as a DROP in set of springs ... Car on lift must be off lift by end of day, doubt vendor will be able to get additional parts here in the next 6 hours. Just needed slightly better springs than 40 year old stockers as insurance, no more no less. "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720794 01/03/15 06:28 PM 01/03/15 06:28 PM
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Azzkikrcuda top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,809 North Dakota	I have used the Comp 911 springs on many mild builds with stock retainers and never had a problem.

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: Azzkikrcuda] #1720795 01/03/15 11:55 PM 01/03/15 11:55 PM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: I have used the Comp 911 springs on many mild builds with stock retainers and never had a problem. Thanks for the feedback! "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720796 01/04/15 12:35 AM 01/04/15 12:35 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	No! Those retainers are far too small for that spring--come on--7 degree steel retainers that fit are available from Herbert Cams cheaper than the shipping-- Not a good idea to go that route and cheap to make it right

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: ] #1720797 01/04/15 12:45 AM 01/04/15 12:45 AM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: No! Those retainers are far too small for that spring--come on--7 degree steel retainers that fit are available from Herbert Cams cheaper than the shipping-- Not a good idea to go that route and cheap to make it right Right would be springs that fit the retainers. I specifically asked if these were a drop in and was told they would be fine. I'm on a time crunch and the car is still in the bay. This has nothing to do with cost but time at this point. I would have paid extra for the correct springs. And of course the vendor is unavailable for comment being its a weekend. I was just looking for a stock replacement spring. Nothing more. "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720798 01/04/15 08:48 AM 01/04/15 08:48 AM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Ended up loaning the owner of the car my truck for the weekend, see what tech support says on Monday. No good deed goes unpunished. "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720799 01/04/15 12:38 PM 01/04/15 12:38 PM
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Torq37 member T Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 57	Crane 99839 would be a better choice for stock replacement. Stock diameter and far less seat pressure than 911

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: Torq37] #1720800 01/04/15 01:19 PM 01/04/15 01:19 PM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: Crane 99839 would be a better choice for stock replacement. Stock diameter and far less seat pressure than 911 Crane spring has the same 1.50" OD as the Compcams 991, factory OD is 1.39" Inner on the factory spring is 1.01, Crane 1.086" and Comp 1.110" Retainer is 1.334" OD 8384849-DSCN7337.JPG (126 downloads) "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720801 01/04/15 01:20 PM 01/04/15 01:20 PM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Factory spring OD 8384851-DSCN7339.JPG (115 downloads) "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720802 01/04/15 01:21 PM 01/04/15 01:21 PM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Comp spring outer 8384854-DSCN7338.JPG (140 downloads) "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720803 01/04/15 02:57 PM 01/04/15 02:57 PM
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GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,163 CT	I helped a friend install 911s on his car and thought there was WAY too much slop in the stock retainer, so like you we had to waste time waiting for new retainers to arrive. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720804 01/04/15 07:07 PM 01/04/15 07:07 PM
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Torq37 member T Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 57	Sorry, I assumed you were replacing factory hi-perf springs which are 1.50 OD. Those springs look like 383 2-barrel springs so 911's will be a huge increase in seat pressure.

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: Torq37] #1720805 01/04/15 07:35 PM 01/04/15 07:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT gdonovan OP I Live Here
gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: Sorry, I assumed you were replacing factory hi-perf springs which are 1.50 OD. Those springs look like 383 2-barrel springs so 911's will be a huge increase in seat pressure. Interesting. With the factory springs are the retainers HP/non-HP different? "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: Torq37] #1720806 01/04/15 09:58 PM 01/04/15 09:58 PM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: Sorry, I assumed you were replacing factory hi-perf springs which are 1.50 OD. Those springs look like 383 2-barrel springs so 911's will be a huge increase in seat pressure. DC books states all the B/RB retainers are the same PN 2402045 after 1964 or so. The mystery deepens. 8385463-retainers.jpg (151 downloads) "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720807 01/04/15 11:15 PM 01/04/15 11:15 PM
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mike s top fuel M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,668 Mi,U.S.A.	Sealed Power has a new series of stock H.P. springs. Exact match for 4 bbl 383-440, 440 6-pac and 426 Hemi.I won't use 911's any more broke 2 in each of the 2 sets I have used lately. Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: mike s] #1720808 01/04/15 11:29 PM 01/04/15 11:29 PM
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gdonovan OP I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: Sealed Power has a new series of stock H.P. springs. Exact match for 4 bbl 383-440, 440 6-pac and 426 Hemi.I won't use 911's any more broke 2 in each of the 2 sets I have used lately. Have a part number? "I think its got a hemi"

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: gdonovan] #1720809 01/04/15 11:33 PM 01/04/15 11:33 PM
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Torq37 member T Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 57	Quote: Quote: Sorry, I assumed you were replacing factory hi-perf springs which are 1.50 OD. Those springs look like 383 2-barrel springs so 911's will be a huge increase in seat pressure. DC books states all the B/RB retainers are the same PN 2402045 after 1964 or so. The mystery deepens. Don't know. Perhaps in that context "all" means all hi-perf engines and not all engines. The hi-perf retainers will definitely fit 1.50 OD springs though.

Re: CompCams 911 springs with stock retainers? [Re: Torq37] #1720810 01/05/15 12:19 AM 01/05/15 12:19 AM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	It says all the "newer" engines. Hmm, looking up a 60 300 with a 413 shows a smaller diameter valve spring than a 70 300 with a 440. The 70 should have fit the 911 springs just fine, 1.494" outside diameter on the Sealed Power spring. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

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