Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: Jerry]
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I had the Ford system all laid out but never tried to install one. The trick piece was getting the distributor converted. I shared the info quite some time ago with one of the guys here. He went through the install but I haven't heard from him in a little while.
With the effort and expense of gathering parts and doing the install, you might as well get a complete aftermarket system. You're not really going to save any cash by piecing something together.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: feets]
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08/23/05 02:10 PM
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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: patrick]
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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.
the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.
i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.
if you wanted to go a more "factory" route, you could look at adapting the GM 454 vortec EFI, or use a speed density tpi computer to run things....if you go TPI, buy your own chip burner.
I'd look at the holley commander 950 controller, too...they have a "universal" MPI kit for ~$1500...think you still need a fuel pump, mod the manifold, and injectors. for a distributor, use a lean burn 400 dist. running a GM HEI module, then the computer will control the timing.
I am working on the Holley Commander 950 setup right now. The pump is included, and there is no need to modify the manifold for a TB. Everything bolts up, and I am going to use a Rance distributor for my Hall effect with my MSD. This will allow me to control the timing from the computer. I can plug in, make my changes, then hit the road without ever popping the hood. You will need to run a second line for fuel/return line.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
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08/23/05 08:11 PM
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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.
Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
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08/23/05 08:25 PM
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re: the commander 950
yep, if you go with the TBI setup, no manifold mod needed. for MPFI, you'll need to add injector bungs.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: patrick]
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08/23/05 11:50 PM
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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.
the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.
i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.
if you wanted to go a more "factory" route, you could look at adapting the GM 454 vortec EFI, or use a speed density tpi computer to run things....if you go TPI, buy your own chip burner.
I'd look at the holley commander 950 controller, too...they have a "universal" MPI kit for ~$1500...think you still need a fuel pump, mod the manifold, and injectors. for a distributor, use a lean burn 400 dist. running a GM HEI module, then the computer will control the timing.
Explain this distributor. I have the Holley TBI kit, and I was looking for a way to have it utilize the ignition control.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: FastmOp]
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: RichV]
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Have you thought about a set of stage VI heads?
Talk about a win-win... those have always been on my list of "must have" items when I do a low-deck stroker. If there was ever ANYTHING Ma Mopar got RIGHT, it was the decision to put the ports high enough to bolt up an RB manifold!
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
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08/24/05 01:22 AM
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I did the whole mustang conversion on a stroked sb. it worked pretty well, it had its limits but you can get those piggy backs like the tweecer that can change up the computer. It does very well on engines that are not extremely radical. just read the mustang sites to learn more about it. its very good for what it is but it is also old technology. i am doing another now with the accel gen 7, i dont see how it would have any wiring harness issues as it is for the most part contained within itself. We have done many of these with no problems. The ford conversion was quite expensive as i didnt use as much junk yard stuff as i could have used. it was also done having to gather all the parts needed. I dont like cutting corners on my builds. The dist. was a challange but ive got a great machine shop to work with and they fixed me up. Bottom line for me is to not cut corners because you will end up with inferior parts that end up not doing what you want them to do. Save up and do it right the first time.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
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Have a look at 034 I ran in to these guys when I was playing around with an old turbo Audi. They make 8 cylinder stuff now. Most important things are that the owner, Jahvad, won't go cold on you once you bought the stuff; and, there is a website for users: Motorgeeks.com.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: Dragula]
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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.
Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.
I'm pretty good with wiring and auto electronic so I'm not worried at all. In fact at some point I may try to run a 440 with a factory Magnum EFI controller, just for kicks.
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: Blown71X]
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I love this thread I have been curious about both EFI and turbocharging for quite some time now, but have found very little info for 440 Mopars. I am curious to hear what kind of performance gains you EFI users are making over your stock setup. I live at 8,000 feet and as you might imagine, a stock or near stock 440 doesn't make the same kind of power up here as it would at sea level. I want my Charger to stay fully streetable, but I definitely want more power. I have considered a blower, but I don't want to cut my hood. Turbos fascinate me, but I am concerned about getting all the custom work done. I have thought about doing a stroker engine, but am concerned about streetability, longevity and cost. Any advice on what might be the best bang for the buck? I am running 3:23 gears and would be pleased with a mid 13 to high 12 second car. Is EFI worth the investment?
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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car?
[Re: 71TA]
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Here are the megasquirt updates, you can use the version 2.2 or the version 3 boasrd but you definitely want to run MSII. MSI will work but there aren't as many features. mind you i've setup plenty of MSI boards and they all run fine and very successfully.
24 MHz HCS12 processor (C64 version), Fuel control to 1 µsec (100 times more resolution than MegaSquirt), Ignition control (full spark timing advance control, dwell control, etc) for one coil/distributor (7 pin HEI for example) and Ford's EDIS systems, On-board stepper motor driver for IAC stepper control (this requires a few jumpers to be added on the MegaSquirt PCB to connect the socket jumpers to the DB37 connector), Ford PWM idle valve support, Built-in rev limiter, either 'fuel cut' or 'spark retard', All tables are now 12×12 in size, WBO2 AFR target table (in AFR units), Independent dual-tables for VE and AFR target, EGO feedback in wide-band mode is proportional to the difference between the measured AFR and the target AFR, the bigger the difference, the bigger the feedback step, Spark advance table can have different rpm and kpa bins than VE and AFR tables, 115,200 baud serial interface with MegaTune2.25+, CANbus networking for 'inter-board' communications with add-on modules like transmission controllers, sequential injection drivers, etc., Barometric correction amount and direction configurable in software, and provisions for: barometric correction based on initial MAP reading, independent 2nd barometric MAP sensor for continuous real-time baro correction, or no baro correction. TPS values for open loop and flood clear mode are user configurable, MAP based open loop can be set as well as TPS, Both TPS and MAP based accel enrichment is built into the code, you can configure the ratio of each, Blended Alpha-N and speed density is an option, 2 spare I/O lines for custom controls. (This is in addition to 4 lines for Idle stepper control if you don't need this, or the Fast idle solenoid then becomes a spare if you do use a stepper motor.)
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