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Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/18/14 05:02 PM
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Thinking about adding a Mopar CAI to my 2011 Ram 1500. I have the CAI on my Mopar '10 Challenger and I like the looks and sound, thinking that I would like to do this upgrade to my Ram as well.
Mopar Performance claims 10hp increase as well as an increase in gas mileage. Just wondering if anyone has done that and is there a true advantage or just hype? Just curious as to whether it's worth the price...thanks!
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/19/14 12:20 AM
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My  I have seen all types of cold air intakes and NONE of them sealed the hot air away from the inlet as good as the factory unit does. The oiled K&N type filters release a residue that builds up on the mass airflow sensor electrodes and your fuel mileage may actually suffer and outweigh any performance gains you might see. I have only seen one that looked like it would work and the customer said he paid over $650.00 for the system  hardly seems worth it to me Gus 
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/19/14 02:08 PM
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For years now some people ignore the fact that the factory air intakes already draw cold air from inside the fender or front bumper area.  It's hype. The proper term is "hot air" kit, which is obvious in this image: All the heat from the rad, exhaust manifolds, and engine block rise (Grade 5 Science class), stay below the hood, and all get funneled into this sorry excuse for hot-rodding:
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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But, leave it to Chrysler Engineers to recognize people are actually stupid enough to fall for this contraption, so, they made up one of their own...........and it's even WORSE!  I think it's like another *edit* $2600.00 or something...........to make your car slower. 
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/19/14 06:17 PM
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I expect most gains from "cold air intakes" are actually from a design that flows better. A better term may be "high flow intake" as the factory ones are often compromises in cost, noise, packaging... I think the main reason they grab air from the fender is it is cooler and quieter but the hole is often smaller than the throttle body. The fender probably does not have as much air pressure building in it going down the highway as under the hood so there is probably a small gain from that. The factory likes accordions for convenience both on install and design and they don't tend to flow as well as a smooth wall tube.
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/19/14 06:49 PM
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I have a K&N short ram intake on my 14 Challenger R/T. I also have a OBD2 bluetooth adapter that I use with the Torque app on my phone. I did a test of before the K&N and after, and the results were pretty close. On the highway, both air filters pulled air in that ranged from 2 to 5 degrees higher than the ambient air temperature. While sitting at a red light, or in traffic, the short ram did reach higher temperatures compared to the stock box. As far as airflow, you can tell the difference. The car pulls harder at higher rpms, where the stock box was restrictive. If living in areas where you have lots of traffic, I would actually get a cai that connects to the hole in the fender similar to a stock box. As far as HP gains manufacturer's claim, I think you might get that much of an improvement on a good day, with nice cool air, with the vehicle at proper running temp.
As far as the oil goes, I have heard people say that for years. I have used K&N filters since my first car, and I have put them in my parents vehicles also. As long as you oil the filter like you are supposed to, and let it dry a few hours before re-installing, you should have no issues. If you are heavy handed on the oil, you could have issues. Some people often think they know better than the directions...
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/19/14 09:04 PM
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My I have seen all types of cold air intakes and NONE of them sealed the hot air away from the inlet as good as the factory unit does. The oiled K&N type filters release a residue that builds up on the mass airflow sensor electrodes and your fuel mileage may actually suffer and outweigh any performance gains you might see.
I have only seen one that looked like it would work and the customer said he paid over $650.00 for the system hardly seems worth it to me
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 100% A LOT of manufactures have released TSB's in regards to aftermarket oil type air filters and MAF problems!!
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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I've had a K&N setup on my 97 5.2 Dakota for over 260,000 miles and have never had any problems with the MAP or TB or anything else. Get around 20mpg hwy. and 16 city.
The biggest gain is with a smooth tube versa a rippled one.
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/20/14 12:34 AM
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I've had a K&N setup on my 97 5.2 Dakota for over 260,000 miles and have never had any problems with the MAP or TB or anything else. Get around 20mpg hwy. and 16 city.
The biggest gain is with a smooth tube versa a rippled one.
It's not the MAP sensor, it's the MAF sensor that's an issue. You Dak didn't use one, it's an either or situation.
True, mine has a MAP and not a MAF.
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/20/14 12:43 AM
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Reason the MAF sensor is an issue is that this type of setup uses a heated wire in the intake air stream to measure air flow, the oil coats it and renders it useless. Suggested fix is replacement, not cleaning of the MAF. Hence manufacturers that use this system will not warranty your MAF if you use an oiled air filter, regardless of the amount of oil on it.
MAP sensor just measures intake vacuum and infers the air flow (real simplified explanation). That sensor never sees oil from the filter.
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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if you want the coolest air available the experiments are clear: the hottest air is near the dark sun heated pavement and the coolest air is high up. the difference changes with the season but can be 20 degrees even in winter many highway transportation departments monitor this http://rwis.kytc.ky.gov/maps/tempmap2.htmthere are similar results for the cleanliness of the air versus height above pavement as with other small changes less than 5% only a two vehicle "convoy" style test called a SAE/TMC Type IV can reliably detect air intake differences
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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But, leave it to Chrysler Engineers to recognize people are actually stupid enough to fall for this contraption, so, they made up one of their own...........and it's even WORSE! I think it's like another *edit* $2600.00 or something...........to make your car slower.
You couldn't be more incorrect on the factory Mopar Shaker. It draws zero air from the engine compartment. The air box is like the stock setup and draws outside cold air through the bottom of the box. But unlike the stock box it also draws cold outside air through the Shaker inlet tube. The top of the air box is sealed by the hood except for a small cut out at the front draws cold air from the front of the moving vehicle. Very nice setup!!
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Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L
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12/20/14 05:39 PM
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For years now some people ignore the fact that the factory air intakes already draw cold air from inside the fender or front bumper area.
And at speed on the highway, the fender is a high pressure zone
With the low throttle openings at cruise I fail to see how a better flowing intake or a smooth tube will improve MPG at all. When intake draw is so low, how much flow do you need? This is like the teeny boppers putting huge cone filters on their civics and seeing no improvement. On a v8 I could see the an aftermarket air intake offering some improvement as the factory ones tend to be designed as a compromise between performance and noise. But even then, I doubt they are designed that bad.
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