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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704073
11/29/14 01:13 AM
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Spokane Washington
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Nice build! What rocker arms are you running (and ratio, etc.)?





Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1704074
11/29/14 01:30 AM
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Oops!
Missed your post before. It has 1.6 Crane Gold rockers to get the lift I showed.

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704075
11/29/14 01:34 AM
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Thank you, any issues with those rockers? I've heard mixed reviews on the Cranes

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1704076
11/29/14 01:38 AM
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Sounds like a nice build. What will this be going in as I would like to follow this one. Matt and I are both upping the HP in our small-blocks for next year.


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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: pittsburghracer] #1704077
11/29/14 02:10 AM
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Keith ,very nice build mate and thanks for sharing it with us,not many do that anymore ,you will have people that will say thats high hp but its what works and i for one are backing you


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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: pittsburghracer] #1704078
11/29/14 02:36 AM
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This is going in my 70 Challenger. It weighed 3070 last time I weighed it with me in it. Weight might be a little more as I'm going back to my steel hood next spring.
May look at pulling some weight in other ways if I have time, but after sitting out last summer being crew chef only for my wife's car, I need mine back.

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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704079
11/29/14 02:42 AM
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Ian, thanks and I know you build some pretty mean small blocks on your side of the pond also!!
As far as Crane rockers go, I have used a few sets on builds over the years with no issues other than one set that had bad adjusters. I have used Hughes rockers recently and like those too.
I'm not a big believer in roller bearings in a stock sized shaft rocker.
I have a set of Crane Golds in my wife's 440 that have been beat on in for at least 15 years. The wear area is still like New on the rocker/ shaft area.
Keith

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704080
11/29/14 02:47 AM
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do you generally favor the 4.125 stroke over the 4.000?

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: mopar dave] #1704081
11/29/14 02:55 AM
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Wow that is a nice build.


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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: 1967dartgt] #1704082
11/29/14 11:18 PM
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GO BUCKS !!!!!!!
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Thanks for sharing your build. That's one mean small block

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704083
11/29/14 11:37 PM
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Very nice and should kick..s,Did you fill the block ?

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: fishy340] #1704084
11/29/14 11:56 PM
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Thanks again guys, and yes the block has a tall fill.

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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704085
11/30/14 12:07 AM
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Keith, what cc are the chambers on your heads? I see you have flat tops. I'm going to freshen my 408 this winter and am planning on bumping my compression from 10.9 to 11.4 or 5. My heads are milled to 55cc's and my pistons have either 20 or 22cc dish. So I'm planning dropping the dish to 15 or 16cc's to get the compression up. I'll keep the cam, a Hughes flat solid 260/264 @ .050, .628/.633 lift with 1.6 rockers. Nice build BTW.

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: justinp61] #1704086
11/30/14 12:19 AM
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With the 4.125 stroke and a flat top at zero deck, compression is a little higher than I would want for pump gas using an RPM heads normal chambers.
I took mine out from 63.5 to 68 cc.
It worked out well with the way I wanted to shape the chambers.
And Dave, I like the 4.125 stroke over the 4.00 inch mainly for the lighter putting. The extra stroke causes no issues with skirt and bore wear if its built correctly.
And the torque can be pretty nice!
Keith

Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704087
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With the 4.125 stroke and a flat top at zero deck, compression is a little higher than I would want for pump gas using an RPM heads normal chambers.
I took mine out from 63.5 to 68 cc.
It worked out well with the way I wanted to shape the chambers.
And Dave, I like the 4.125 stroke over the 4.00 inch mainly for the lighter putting. The extra stroke causes no issues with skirt and bore wear if its built correctly.
And the torque can be pretty nice!
Keith


Yes, I would guess you are pushing the envelope with pump gas. I run the same heads as you except Edelbrock magnums - Hughes ported with almost identical flow #'s - per Hughes. Been running Hughes 1.6 rockers going on 5 years now with no problems.


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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Crizila] #1704088
11/30/14 03:05 AM
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Ahhhh know i see why i couldn't bring my motor down to you, you've been playing with your own stuff -lol -steve


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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: swifter] #1704089
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Crew chief? ????? I think i saw "PIT [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]" on your shirt one or two times this summer---LOL-Steve


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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: swifter] #1704090
12/02/14 12:13 AM
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I finished dialing in the pump gas small block today. Here is a comparison of my new build versus the engine that was in my car before.

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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704091
12/02/14 12:24 AM
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Torque comparison

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Re: Small Block pump gas bracket engine [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1704092
12/02/14 12:34 AM
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Comparison graph,
Ought to get my fat butt down the track a little faster,....

Keith

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