Re: SSBC Hand brake question
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Here in the states the PARKING brake is designed to hold a parked vehicle, not to stop one that is moving in any reasonable distance. Not sure what Sweden is looking for. The law http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/393.41That all being said, the calipers self adjust by using the parking brake. As the pad wears the use of the parking brake, when parked, will allow a ratchet mechanism in the caliper to take up the extra clearance between the pads and rotor.
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Re: SSBC Hand brake question
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11/15/14 09:00 AM
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Not sure what Sweden is looking for.
How about safety?
That law is fairly scary with the wrong naming of items. IMO, the words 'Parking Brake' should not even be used at all. It should be called Emergency brake. Which is to be used if the main brakingsystem of a car fails or also when a mechanical braking is desired while a car is parked.
I could imagine that if you lived on a sloped street in San Francisco that a 'parking brake' should also be able to hold a (manually shifted) car.
Nonetheless, a parking/emergency brake that can't hold a car either parked or moving, are just useless parts on a car. Anyone ever had GOOD results with a SSBC system on a Mopar?
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Re: SSBC Hand brake question
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16% is pretty steep but it should be doable. You need to adjust the pistons in the calipers. IIRC, SSBC is real bad about not mentioning that. I took a look at SSBC's site and here's what they have to say.
"Parking Brake Adjustment a) The caliper pistons adjust hydraulically by pumping the pedal. When a hard pedal is achieved, there should be a clearance between the pads and rotor of 1/32” to 1/16”. NOTE: IF THE PISTONS BECOME EXTENDED TOO FAR, THE INNER BRAKE PAD CAN BE REMOVED AND THE PISTON CAN BE SCREWED BACK INTO THE CALIPER USING NEEDLE NOSE PLIERS OR A CALIPER ADJUSTING TOOL AVAILABLE AT MOST PARTS STORES. b) Make sure the parking brake lever is in the full released position. c) Take up the slack in the parking brake cables by adjusting the nut on the threaded rod under the car. Cables should be adjusted until they are taught but not enough to move the parking brake levers on the calipers. d) Move the parking brake handle through its full travel several times. The parking brake should hold the car from rolling but create no brake resistance when in the full released position. Make sure the brake lever is returned all the way when the parking brake is released."
If your pad to rotor clearance is good and you either have too much slack in the cables or not enough throw in the parking brake end of the setup. What are you using to actuate the parking brake? The OEM foot pedal?
As for "emergency brake", it was never intended, nor designed to perform that function. It is a holding brake, nothing more. Wishing it were something else is futile.
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Re: SSBC Hand brake question
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11/15/14 04:02 PM
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If your pad to rotor clearance is good and you either have too much slack in the cables or not enough throw in the parking brake end of the setup. What are you using to actuate the parking brake? The OEM foot pedal?
Yes I'm using the OEM foot pedal - just got the car, which is my first classic Mopar. The LX-based cars had another setup in the rear - but still a mechanical parking brake and it worked as they require in sweden. I know it's a different setup with a drum inside the hub, but it's still mechanical I was thinking...
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As for "emergency brake", it was never intended, nor designed to perform that function. It is a holding brake, nothing more. Wishing it were something else is futile.
I hear you - but the thing should at least show the needles moving on the brake bench - right now they're dead
I'll try to adjust the rear brakes closer to the disc to see what happens. I'll let you know. Thank you guys! Awesome board. And a quick picture of the car in question:
http://i.imgur.com/LFb8YHk.jpg
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Re: SSBC Hand brake question
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That's the problem with aftermarket stuff, a lot of it fails to actually be an improvement on the OEM stuff. Not to mention the engineering really is not there. There are two levers in the parking brake system, one at the foot pedal, the other at the caliper. If you lengthen the lever at the pedal you will get more travel of the lever at eh caliper, assuming you are not already maxing out the travel there, this might help. Here's a link to a Mustang rear caliper that might help you figure out what it's supposed to do. http://forums.corral.net/forums/general-...king-brake.htmlYou'll notice that as you use the parking brake it tends to screw the piston out of the caliper, this is to take up slack in the system. If the piston is too far in, like on new or rebuilt calipers, you may have to unscrew the piston out some, or work the parking brake setup till the slack is out, then the parking brake will hold.
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Re: SSBC Hand brake question
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11/16/14 06:42 PM
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Hard to tell for sure from their picture, but it looks like they are using the GM p-brake mechanism in that caliper. If so, here is an article written by a Mech. Engineer on how to get them to function at their best: http://classicbroncos.com/tech/rear-disc-brakes-cadillacgm-calipersNote that he has since abandoned that type of p-brake assembly and gone to the Explorer system of a drum type p-brake internal to the rotor's hat.
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