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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/18/14 03:37 AM
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the cheater comment was probably in relation to dave connelly not jeggy
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/18/14 10:48 AM
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The Chevies have pulled ahead a bit because the new DRCE4 head is now in use for most of the teams. Dodge could use a new head but with PS on its way out I doubt you see it.
I thought it was because of the new $6500 11 3/4 ring & pinion rear end with allmost no friction?
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/18/14 12:06 PM
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By and large the only difference between cars is the power plant and sheet metal. Pretty much all the other stuff is common use. May be a few clutch/trans combinations that differ too. Personally if they want to save the class they need to look into engines that more closely resemble current offerings and FI with a flat hood so the cars look more in line too. Maybe factory stock type cars, COPO, Cobra Jet, Drag Pak, but with larger displacement and more advanced heads/valve train.
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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11/18/14 11:06 PM
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They ALL cheat is some shape, form or fashion. Some get caught, some don't. The great Smokey Yunick said if you aren't cheating, you aren't winning and that was the cold blooded truth. If you think your favorite team or driver is a bunch of "angels" who never attempts to circumvent the rule book........you live in LaLa land. And another thing, if it doesn't specifically say you CAN'T do something in the rule book, that makes it legal in mosts eyes.
You violate a "written" rule, they hit you pretty hard. Operate in the "grey area" of something not plainly spelled out, you get a "slap" and the rule clarified. Anyone who has ever seriously class raced knows how it works
Monte
I might agree with you on the fuel cheating charge Jeg got popped for. I don't remember the EXACT issue, but it bordered on the fact that what he was blending was almost not a "gasoline" or even a "racing fuel". I really just kind of blew that off as racers being racers, then the details came out. I then thought maybe Jeg was over the line.
BUT, when he was caught, red handed, in Seattle, I realized that probably the fuel deal was as big a deal as WJ (and several others) made it out to be. The cheating is Seattle was the fact that at that time, in Pro Stock you could use an "electronic" shifter. I can't remember what the actual rule was (I don't save all my rule books any more) but the driver was still supposed to push the little button on top of the shifter. For the record, I hated the rule when it came out. Anyway, they (ESPN cameras) caught JEG, with BOTH hands on the wheel and the car shifting. We could all see it, and Ray Charles could hear it. The car was loose, but it shifted, and Jeg had BOTH hands on the wheel.
Yup, that's a CHEATER. By the money [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] (prostitute) AKA NHRA did very little because they didn't want to kill that goose.
Jeg=Cheater. Plain and simple.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/18/14 11:28 PM
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Jeg (and others) were using propylene oxide. Nasty stuff, especially if no one is aware it is there. Jeg got caught with an MSD fired air shifter, which lead to the manual shift rule. Jeg also got seen on video letting go of a steering wheel mounted button in his Drag Pack. He has not raced the car since. 
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/19/14 01:31 AM
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So the cheater is leaving AGAIN.
Please elaborate...how/when did he cheat????
Maybe some one already answered this but I'm not reading the whole thread.
He was caught cheating on fuel at one point, and the gist of it was they were brewing their own crap and they were using know cancer causing agents in the fuel (among other things), and I don't remember the year.
The second time he was CAUGHT (I'm sure he was cheating long before he was caught) cheating with an automatic shifter. This happened in Seattle and again, I don't remember the year. Both times earned a rule change and a slap on the wrist.
He's a cheater and I'm glad to see him out of a Dodge.
I remember the shifter thing now that you mention it
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/19/14 03:28 PM
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They ALL cheat is some shape, form or fashion. Some get caught, some don't. The great Smokey Yunick said if you aren't cheating, you aren't winning and that was the cold blooded truth. If you think your favorite team or driver is a bunch of "angels" who never attempts to circumvent the rule book........you live in LaLa land. And another thing, if it doesn't specifically say you CAN'T do something in the rule book, that makes it legal in mosts eyes.
You violate a "written" rule, they hit you pretty hard. Operate in the "grey area" of something not plainly spelled out, you get a "slap" and the rule clarified. Anyone who has ever seriously class raced knows how it works
Monte
I might agree with you on the fuel cheating charge Jeg got popped for. I don't remember the EXACT issue, but it bordered on the fact that what he was blending was almost not a "gasoline" or even a "racing fuel". I really just kind of blew that off as racers being racers, then the details came out. I then thought maybe Jeg was over the line.
BUT, when he was caught, red handed, in Seattle, I realized that probably the fuel deal was as big a deal as WJ (and several others) made it out to be. The cheating is Seattle was the fact that at that time, in Pro Stock you could use an "electronic" shifter. I can't remember what the actual rule was (I don't save all my rule books any more) but the driver was still supposed to push the little button on top of the shifter. For the record, I hated the rule when it came out. Anyway, they (ESPN cameras) caught JEG, with BOTH hands on the wheel and the car shifting. We could all see it, and Ray Charles could hear it. The car was loose, but it shifted, and Jeg had BOTH hands on the wheel.
Yup, that's a CHEATER. By the money [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] (prostitute) AKA NHRA did very little because they didn't want to kill that goose.
Jeg=Cheater. Plain and simple.
I am not arguing with you.......but if you think he is the only one, you are sorely mistaken. If they caught and got rid of EVERY team who tried to do something to gain their team an advantage, that MAY have been a little shady from a rules standpoint........there would be ZERO teams in the pits.
Monte
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/19/14 04:11 PM
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They ALL cheat is some shape, form or fashion. Some get caught, some don't. The great Smokey Yunick said if you aren't cheating, you aren't winning and that was the cold blooded truth. If you think your favorite team or driver is a bunch of "angels" who never attempts to circumvent the rule book........you live in LaLa land. And another thing, if it doesn't specifically say you CAN'T do something in the rule book, that makes it legal in mosts eyes.
You violate a "written" rule, they hit you pretty hard. Operate in the "grey area" of something not plainly spelled out, you get a "slap" and the rule clarified. Anyone who has ever seriously class raced knows how it works
Monte
I might agree with you on the fuel cheating charge Jeg got popped for. I don't remember the EXACT issue, but it bordered on the fact that what he was blending was almost not a "gasoline" or even a "racing fuel". I really just kind of blew that off as racers being racers, then the details came out. I then thought maybe Jeg was over the line.
BUT, when he was caught, red handed, in Seattle, I realized that probably the fuel deal was as big a deal as WJ (and several others) made it out to be. The cheating is Seattle was the fact that at that time, in Pro Stock you could use an "electronic" shifter. I can't remember what the actual rule was (I don't save all my rule books any more) but the driver was still supposed to push the little button on top of the shifter. For the record, I hated the rule when it came out. Anyway, they (ESPN cameras) caught JEG, with BOTH hands on the wheel and the car shifting. We could all see it, and Ray Charles could hear it. The car was loose, but it shifted, and Jeg had BOTH hands on the wheel.
Yup, that's a CHEATER. By the money [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] (prostitute) AKA NHRA did very little because they didn't want to kill that goose.
Jeg=Cheater. Plain and simple.
I am not arguing with you.......but if you think he is the only one, you are sorely mistaken. If they caught and got rid of EVERY team who tried to do something to gain their team an advantage, that MAY have been a little shady from a rules standpoint........there would be ZERO teams in the pits.
Monte
I understand exactly what you are saying Monte. I myself, had to go to meet with the local circle jerk guys I was doing work for (on more than one occasion) because I did things I thought were within the "spirit" of the rules. I was successful every time, but the rules were rewritten to take away the advantage.
The difference is that at that time, the rules were clear you could use a button to shift the car. BUT, the driver had to hit the button. The current thinking was the cars were SO FAST no driver could catch 1st gear quick enough so they let them use the button.
Obviously, Jeg violated the "spirit" and the "letter" of the law.
As for the fuel, it wasn't just P.O. that they were using. They had blended a bunch of stuff that shouldn't have been there.
Thus, since then, VP has been the provider of Pro Stock fuel. Just another stupid rule because a CHEATER (Jeg) just couldn't win any other way. I'd be damned surprised if Jeg didn't cheat to win the 2013 championship.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/19/14 05:07 PM
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There is always a "grey" area in the rules. It simply said, "fuel must pass this and this spec"..........so if it does NOT say, you can't use this and you can't use this, as long as the fuel passed fuel check, he was legal. Because they DO check pro-Stock fuel after every run. So the obvious answer was "spec fuel". This takes the load off the tech dept and trying to figure out what guys MIGHT come up with for additives.
Don't get me wrong, I am not defending anybody, just pointing out the mindset in a class such as this. EVERY team is looking for ANY advantage they can find and think they can get away with. Just like every chassis builder has body templates and they build the body to those templates. Now what the teams do AFTER that........who knows. Several teams have had bodies tossed and you KNOW it didn't come from Haas, Bickel, or Jones like that.
So bodies "tweaked", blocks bored "not straight", fuel "mixed", "hidden" shifters, "one off" shocks and a myriad of other things is just common everyday events in a class like this, where .001 MATTERS. So in the big picture..........they are ALL "cheaters"........LOL!!......So as smart as all these guys are, when one team all of a sudden "finds" a mph. You can bet they are being "creative" somewhere and tech WILL find it eventually
Monte
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Re: Jeggie leaving Pro Stock too...
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11/19/14 05:26 PM
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What exactly were the Greg and Jason doing with their Summit cars that caused them to keep catching fire when they made the turn onto the return road?.... and why haven't we seen that in a while?
Raw fuel in the headers..........imagine they changed their shutdown procedure
Monte
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*yuck*
