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Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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With all of the buzz about turbo’s right now, I am at a point where I’m seriously looking at producing turbo “kits” for mopars. The idea is that these will be SIMPLE blow through carb bolt on kits with everything you need from cylinder head to carb hat.
The idea will mainly be focused on the 500~700hp small block crowd, as the motors and cars plentiful, small turbos are lower cost to feed smaller motors, and many production manifolds are easy to come by. I believe I have a plan to eliminate any need for cutting/welding, and bolt right up. Kits would be for A, B, and E bodies, and AT LEAST priced competitively with equivalent HP centrifugal supercharger kits (if not better).
What do you guys think? Any interest?
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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11/13/14 12:23 PM
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No big blocks... (at least to start with).
-No manifolds (which would require custom headers)
-Expensive (big) turbo's required to feed them
-There are a lot more people looking for 500~700hp then 700~1000hp
Kits would be double what I can build a small block one for... so I'm guessing the market isn't there for that.
I guess I'll have to fab up my own then... 
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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I think it is a great idea, and will fill a void for sure. Unfortunately my LA/A-body project got put on the back burner after I picked up my Belvedere, and I have the means to set up one myself (just not the time) A couple concerns I might have - mopar guys are cheap - small market (how many guys are buying centrifugal blower kits?) - everyone will want something different (air/air, air/water, Meth), and people are difficult to please - must use purple cam  Good luck with it!
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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With all of the buzz about turbo’s right now, I am at a point where I’m seriously looking at producing turbo “kits” for mopars. The idea is that these will be SIMPLE blow through carb bolt on kits with everything you need from cylinder head to carb hat.
The idea will mainly be focused on the 500~700hp small block crowd, as the motors and cars plentiful, small turbos are lower cost to feed smaller motors, and many production manifolds are easy to come by. I believe I have a plan to eliminate any need for cutting/welding, and bolt right up. Kits would be for A, B, and E bodies, and AT LEAST priced competitively with equivalent HP centrifugal supercharger kits (if not better).
What do you guys think? Any interest?
imho, The most valuable thing you have to offer is your knowledge you have gained from actually having done this....
From what I have read, I am assuming you would procure the turbo, blow-off valve, wastegate, carb, used manifolds, oil lines, etc., then manufacture the turbo mounting bracket, piping from the exhaust manifolds to the turbo, the piping from the turbo to the carb, and possibly exhaust piping off the turbo.....and package it together with instructions....
The marketing drawback I see is maybe the guys doing low-buck, low hp small block turbo's.....might be low-buck.....and not be able to spend thousands at a time....so just offering the parts you make, and letting them know where/what else to buy later might be better.
It seems like it would be very low risk to just make a few copies of exactly what you have now, and see what the market thinks.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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11/13/14 02:41 PM
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Good idea, I'm interested.
Just remember, it seldom is as easy as it first seems, this is a very tough crowd to please, and if it was easy, others will soon copy what you have done, cheaper.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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I'm interested too. I've been toying with the idea of building a turbo car for the street. I still want to do a diesel though but there isn't a lot to choose from and the Cummins is just too heavy.
"Come get your wife"
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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11/13/14 04:17 PM
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Rod are you able to keep any 360 4.25 crank around? I want to sell all my 4 inch stuff and go 4.25 but I don't want to do it if I can't get one when my stuff sells, 4.125 is not worth the effort unless I was starting from scratch.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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11/13/14 09:09 PM
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I might be in if it uses a 5.7 Hemi and a full motor plate....PS. I would need +700hp
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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11/14/14 10:24 AM
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I have a number in my head, but I don't want to speculate on the hot side prices yet.
All I can say is... if it's not competitive with the centrifugal blower kits that are out there, I wouldn't even bother doing it.
well those things aren't cheap. The mopar units are almost 4k. That's why I built mine from a BBC kit. It was 1/2 the cost.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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11/14/14 01:16 PM
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I have a number in my head, but I don't want to speculate on the hot side prices yet.
All I can say is... if it's not competitive with the centrifugal blower kits that are out there, I wouldn't even bother doing it.
well those things aren't cheap. The mopar units are almost 4k. That's why I built mine from a BBC kit. It was 1/2 the cost.
Exactly, so if I can't beat those I won't do it.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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im putting a 5.7 carbed hemi in my 67 coronet...
I would be very interested in a turbo kit bolt on if its affordable..
ive had several buick grand nationals in the past and do miss the turbo power and feel.. I would love me some turbo power on a hemi ....
67 Dodge Coronet 500 (Hemi 5.7 swap)
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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Just thinking out loud. A kit that utilized a production turbo - such as two turbos off a power stroke ford or Buick or cummins ( more knowledgeable people will know which ones are more ideal) - something people take off a production vehicle for an upgrade -may increase your chances. People buy the kit from you and pick up the turbos from craigslist ........  You could supply them as an option I think that would appeal to more people
I used to care but....... things have changed
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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To make this fit and be affordable for many vehicles... it needs to be a single turbo kit. The premise is to use magnum manifolds which are readily available. Because of that, there is no easy way to do twin turbo's. Keeping a custom header out of the deal is a HUGE cost avoidance. The manifolds are durable, and have already been shown to support 800hp+ on my combo at moderate boost (16psi). Not to mention, I could EASILY supply a single turbo to you guys that would break stock blocks... there is no reason for TWO turbo's to break your stock block... LOL  Unfortunately there really aren't any single turbo's out there for you guys to go easily pick up from the junk yard either. Even if you look at the Holset Turbo's off the '94~2002 Cummins' stuff. It's a 360" motor (5.9L), but they only turn 3,000 RPM max. Put it on the 360" (5.9L) gas motors, and you'll be choked at the same 3,000 RPM point. Smaller turbo's from the GN's (3.8L) or other 4-banger stuff would be even worse. You would need a BIG diesel CID to work on a 6,000RPM 360" motor. Even then, the pressure ratio's (boost level) on the diesels is WAY above what we run on a gas motor. What this means is that the turbo is usually very inefficient at the lower boost levels we run at. There are certainly SOME diesel stuff out there that would work, but the prices of new turbo's are so cheap now, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do it like that. Part of buying a complete kit, is to ensure that ALL of the pieces your getting work well together. Gen 3 Hemi's are not going to be the first one's done, but if the small block kits take off I would certainly consider doing them later. By the way, I built the first new mock up hot side yesterday and it is looking VERY promising. Need to get it on an A-Body next, but should clear no problem.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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I'm all ears on this one. Should probably go 8.50-8.70's in my Daytona and I'll need a power plant for it if I put the 572 in my new Duster.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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11/15/14 04:40 PM
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Diz,
I have a 74 dart sport, I have always toyed with this idea in my head but never followed thru with anything. if you need to see anything under the hood for mock ups let me know we live about 40 minutes from each other. I am in Macomb by the Selfridge base. you are more than welcome.
Scot B.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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11/15/14 04:54 PM
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We are interested would make a great winter project 
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70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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With all of the buzz about turbo’s right now, I am at a point where I’m seriously looking at producing turbo “kits” for mopars. The idea is that these will be SIMPLE blow through carb bolt on kits with everything you need from cylinder head to carb hat.
The idea will mainly be focused on the 500~700hp small block crowd, as the motors and cars plentiful, small turbos are lower cost to feed smaller motors, and many production manifolds are easy to come by. I believe I have a plan to eliminate any need for cutting/welding, and bolt right up. Kits would be for A, B, and E bodies, and AT LEAST priced competitively with equivalent HP centrifugal supercharger kits (if not better).
What do you guys think? Any interest?
I think a well thought out, turn key "turbo kit for dummies" at the right price point is needed.
I applaud your efforts on this 
Good luck 
Curator at Adams County Speed Shop
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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I'd definetly be interested. I was thinking about doing a s480 or something similar. 12:1 426 sb, blow through e85. I've been tossing it around, just hate fab work. Pm me if your interested! I can be the first test dummy.
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I have bragged on your car to a lot of people. I am in the market to do a turbo also.. That was my winter plan anyway. Do a f body and you will get my business.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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What I learned yesterday is that power steering is out of the question. The magnum manifolds won't clear the power steering box on an a-body regardless of pump location.
Obviously I can't create a kit based on one off old a body manifolds, so power steering is out of the picture with these kits.
What's funny is that the AC will still work though.. Lol
How much different are the manifolds? I would think that even the A-body manifolds would cause issues with the steering box on power steering cars. Hell, my headers hit the steering box as it sits now. LOL!
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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Scott, Make this happen.... Power steering is for the weak.
Rod
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
[Re: dizuster]
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Thank you for the update Sounds like you are making great progess Please keep us posted
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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Do we get to see any preliminary photo's of the kit installed?
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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Glad to see you doing this, should've been done a long time ago, but glad its being done now.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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Parked by the mail box watching for Fed Ex LOL 
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70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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I'm also following this kit/threads progress, to see if this might turn into something I also can use. Or learn from. My current projects, are of quite a different animal though. As I don't currently have a Mopar musclecar. Have had quite a few strip/street Mopars in the past, and will again. But right now, I have two 440 powered projects, where I'm thinking a turbo could be just the ticket to offset mild cam specs and smaller port windows, aimed at very nice daily driver manners and lower/midrange rpm torque. I have a Powerwagon crewcab utiline factory 440 truck/parts/stuff hauler. And I also have a Sportsman van also factory 440 parts/people/dog/dirtbike/etc etc hauler. Very different uses, then my past 1320 focused fun. Trying hard to force myself to stay mild when I select cam/heads. May go right to 500" stroker, to also offset other mild specs. I'm also atleast up front, going to run HP exhaust manifolds on each of these rigs. So you can see, I've got some serious constraints or hurdles in the way of making big TQ/HP numbers, with these unique RB projects I have this time around. Building each as long term keepers too, as they'll just be to useful, if not the biggest tools in my toolbox, to work on other stuff. I'm seeing atleast, two single blow thru carb or efi combos in my very near future. Very interested in the progression of this possible Turbo "Kit".  
Finally, back in a little Mopar fun. Albeit for the moment, not so 1320 focused as past rides.
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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I thought someone was doing this already and it didn't really take off
Correct, another moparts member nonetheless (I forget his name, younger guy with a dart, lives in Washington IIRC) made a 318 turbo kit and no one bought them
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I thought someone was doing this already and it didn't really take off
Correct, another moparts member nonetheless (I forget his name, younger guy with a dart, lives in Washington IIRC) made a 318 turbo kit and no one bought them
That's my brother. We built the one kit using magnum manifolds, tested it on his car, everyone said they wanted them. When we listed it for sale it took probably 6+ months and countless tire kickers to find a buyer. It sold complete, Manifolds, Hot side, cold side, Turbo, BOV and WG. The price was very affordable for what was offered, but you know mopar guys.
As far as we know the kit was never used and is probably in a box somewhere in a garage. I think it went to Nebraska.
I commend you for doing this, and I hope it works out. I would plan on a very small run of these to test the market. Turbos have grown in popularity since we tried it 5 years ago, so that should help your mission.
His car is still turbocharged, PT76, and is finally getting a cage this winter to make it legal for the ET's its capable of. We turned it up once (12# spring) and it went 10.13@132 with no rollbar, on pump gas and after driving 80 miles to the track. Tech asked us nicely to not do that again so we changed the springs back. Obviously there is a lot more in it.
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[Re: 1980volare]
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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.
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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.
your going turbo that engine
Why would you not turbo it?
stock block, big cubes, high comp, heavy car, all wear and tear on a stock block
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.
your going turbo that engine
Why would you not turbo it?
stock block, big cubes, high comp, heavy car, all wear and tear on a stock block
This isn't the 1970s or 80s. 12:1 and sometimes higher is normal for forced induction. 2618 pistons, mls gaskets, forged everything and studded. I don't believe in the 600hp stock block theory. I'd like to make 650-700 at the tires, yes with a stock block. It's all in the tune. With gods urine (e85) fueling this engine, I have no fear. I'm more worried about the 8.75 breaking.
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I like the idea. I have been an all motor guy, and still respect the all motor stuff, as it is what I am the most familiar with. I have recently started a new project which I haven't posted here because it is a non mopar build. I put a stage 5 Trick Performance Products kit on my 2001 Silverado. It was working great until an o ring failed in the stock 5.3L but that is beside the point. Trick makes fairly painless bolt on kits for the GM Trucks, and they work great. I like the idea of doing a mopar turbo kit. I would maybe not discount the big block guys yet, I like the idea of the small block turbo kit, BUT if you end up pushing the stock blocks, which won't take much with say, a Borg Warner S480 like what I run on my LSx project, to pop the stock block. Take a look at these Trick Performance kits for some ideas, the hot side is deadly simple, and believe it or not, they work GREAT. http://www.shop.trickperformanceproducts.com/     As you can see, I haven't finished the grill fitment, and some other things etc. Before that o ring failed, it was a RIOT on 12psi, and it pulled like my car. I would like to do a turbo modern hemi build personally. I did the LSx because the kit was there, I love these 99-06 GM trucks, and the parts are easy to get. -Kenny
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Looking for fbody pics specifically in the k frame area under/in front of the crank pulley. Need to make sure the crossover will clear. By the way guys, looks like I have overcome the power steering issue. I will be able to offer it to work with it without any huge tearups! Couple of spy photos showing the area I need the f body pics.
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Just went a took some for you. Don't mind my mess Lol
Can't really get the same view of the underside, but from your pics I can tell you that crossover will hit the torsion bars. What size is that crossover, it looks big to me but could just be the pictures. I'm going 2.25, mine is going to end up very similar to yours but with the turbo slightly more towards the passenger side I believe, so I can retain my current radiator and fan setup. These s475s are pretty big and heavy lol
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Just wanted to provide an update to this for those following along...
I'm most definitely still moving forward on this. I'm hoping to finish up the turbo locating/mounting bracket tomorrow. Everything is really coming together nicely with these.
Couple of updates for you guys... I can confirm that:
-There WILL be power steering and non-power steering kits available
-The ONLY cutting to the car body anyone will have to do is a small 1/4" grind on the inner frame rail lip on and A-body to clear the stock magnum manifolds. Other then that, no other inner fender, firewall, core support, etc... cutting is required.
-You will be able to put this kit on with hand tools. No welding, machining, cutting, etc... required.
-You will not have to relocate your battery.
-You will be able to re-use your stock alternator.
-The kits will fit A,B, and E bodies. F/M are still up in the air because of the transverse torsion bars.
-I will be proving out the basic kit on a dead stock 5.2L magnum motor to show you guys what it will do on a budget.
-I will prove out the higher HP kit on my built 360 to show what you can do with a decent build.
No pics yet because the turbo is still moving around slightly, so I'd like to wait until I get the final location/layout completed before sharing... but stay tuned... they will be coming!!!
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I'll be following this..... I have planned on boosting a BB as BBs are all I have on hand...but this has my attention!
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Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Looks good! Keep it up!
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit?
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Great idea!! Updates? Let me know how its looking for the F's..Have a 3600lb 360 Volare wagon needing a little "boost".
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Dizuster
How are your R&D efforts going on the small block kits??
On a side note I watched the video from this last week, all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!
you da man.
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Id be interested for a truck 72-93 Body
 My Daily Driver '87 D100 has a 318, 727 and 8.25 driveline for now, but I have a 360 core, another 318 and a Dana 60-2 with 4.10s narrowed with 35 spline axles ready to put in place. With a mildly turboed SB it should embarrass a lot of others, both on the street and at the track and be quiet while doing it. 
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My son picked up a 67 Belvedere that we think will end up being a small block turbo car, you cant make more power cheaper than with a turbo. Keep us posted as I am sure you will.
Thanks and good luck. you need anything feel free to call.
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I want forward facing Gen III manifolds. THAT would be sick.
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Just put the heads on the wrong side than you have forward facing genIII manifolds.
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 Now if that is all it takes to do a turbo then I am there... That makes a lot more sense than mounting the turbo under the truck bed where it would be easy to collect the exhaust, draw in dirty air from under or suck it through the floor of the bed and then blow it back to the front of the truck and down through a carb...or do I have it wrong???????????
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Just making some headers would be the BEST way. Then people don't have to swap heads and drill and tap drain back holes.
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Just making some headers would be the BEST way. Then people don't have to swap heads and drill and tap drain back holes. I might be easier to make adapter plates like the w2 headers?
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This is Dizuster inital design. I'm helping keep this project rolling. Yes they will be for sale. Motor will be installed in a 72 Demon between x-mas and New year's and testing will begin. I have had this mocked up in a 72 Demon, 69 Roadrunner and a 70 Challenger so far. This kit currently will not fit in a FMJ body at this time.The transverse torsion bars are in the way and will require it's own design.
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That is so sweet and simple. very neat and clean. I would like to see what this costs as I have two cars that I can use this on. not asap but in the near future.
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This is Dizuster inital design. I'm helping keep this project rolling. Yes they will be for sale. Motor will be installed in a 72 Demon between x-mas and New year's and testing will begin. I have had this mocked up in a 72 Demon, 69 Roadrunner and a 70 Challenger so far. This kit currently will not fit in a FMJ body at this time.The transverse torsion bars are in the way and will require it's own design. Hope I'm not jumping the gun here, but any idea yet on how complete the kits will be...as in waste gate, turbo, blow-off valve, etc. or will it just be hot and cold piping? Thanks, what you guys have going so far looks good 
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Hope I'm not jumping the gun here, but any idea yet on how complete the kits will be...as in waste gate, turbo, blow-off valve, etc. or will it just be hot and cold piping? Thanks, what you guys have going so far looks good The idea is that it will be everything. Every bolt, nut, gasket, pipe, oil line, turbo, carb hat, BOV, WG, Downpipe, etc... Bolt it on... add a fuel pump , modified carb, and some gauges, and go...
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Dizuster, Any heat issues on the street with it being non-intercooled?
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One question, on my 69 coronet it appears that the passenger side Ram manifold can be installed "down & forward" on the drivers side and will easily clear the stock power steering box. Am I missing something ? Thanks Craig
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I'm not privy to this that I should share much but I do know this "kit" is running and about to be tested at the track. Plenty of indications that it is making some impressive power! I will rattle some cages and see if those involved are willing to talk more. I can say that Dizuster has been busy since he's started the advancement program at work and seemingly he's been getting more and more responsibilities further consuming his time. And Gdemon is always busy doing something he's less the 'typer' more the doer.
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It probably looks something like this... That looks very cleans! up However, the paint and shock bushing next to the down pipe won't last very long. Some header wrap will help! (Not sure why the pic doesn't follow the quote...)
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Really interested in this, but in my twisted mind I wanted to try something like a pair of small T4 flange turbos mounted to a hedman shorty header. I used to have a Mitsubihsi Eclpise turbo and really like the compactness and reliability of the EVO style turbos. And before you say "too small" even a single B20G produced 24 PSI on a 2 litre that turned 7500 RPM, I would think that 2 of them would easily make 10-12 on a 6 litre motor only turning maybe 6K. Maybe put them on the Rocky and take all the stall and gear out of it and let the turbos spool early and give me diesel style torque since the Rocky dead hooks anyway. I have an R3 block W2 48 degree 366" motor and a Holley Pro dominator tunnel ram and the rocky has plenty of ground clearance to mount a lot of the turbo plumbing under and around the back of the motor. Just convert it from a 10 second bracket car I have to tow into a 10 second multi purpose vehicle I can actually drive quietly on the street with 3.55 gears and 30" high drag radials.
Either that or do something like this "kit" in this thread and put in a a second or third gen B body sedan with plenty of room around it.
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So, a little update here. Gdemon (Jerry) owns the car and is a very capable mechanic and tuner. Dizuster (Scott) is the engineer behind the program. Jerry and Scott have helped me with my program so it's been time to help them. I went with Jerry to Lapeer on last Sunday to get some laps on the car. He has been very on top of tuning via O2's feedback. I want to say he hit 14psi with it and found the Felpro head gasket as the weak link. This was by design, and it is currently being fixed and will be out again as only one head gasket 'pushed' out. No other damage. Inputting te incrementals into Wallace shows a very compromised run is already in the 11's 1/4mile but i have to trust Jerry's seat of the pants feedback comparatively when he says it's noticibly faster than his mid 11's Cuda. I have a video that i might have the wife upload onto Youtube given permission. But it really doesn't capture the cars potential. The stock converter is keeping starting line boost down near 3psi currently. It'll be respectfully quick and fast soon enough.
Last edited by HardcoreB; 10/20/21 08:57 AM.
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I love turbos!!!! I have one on my Neon and I work with them with the trucks I work on!
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"Probably"...lol.
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