Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/27/14 12:55 AM
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Why?
The stock suspension is pretty good and a heck of a lot better than a MII setup. Unless you have a need for something not suspension related for this change you are wasting your money and time.
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
[Re: A/MP]
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10/28/14 11:26 AM
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Mustang II's are simply wide track Pintos. The front suspension parts are all the same. I've never understood their popularity with the hot rod crowd.
I used to swerve around my hallucinations, now I drive right thru them.
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/28/14 11:58 AM
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What are you wanting to do with the car?
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/28/14 02:53 PM
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Looking for some options on converting my early A front suspension. I've seen the Alterkation set up and the price. Looking for an alternative.
well worth the price. its a complete kit that fits and works as it should. you can go cheaper but may not like the outcome.
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/29/14 03:08 AM
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Hemi Denny K member is another option. If you're not planning a Gen III swap, you can get by with stock stuff just fine.
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/29/14 09:33 AM
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Hemi Denny K member is another option. If you're not planning a Gen III swap, you can get by with stock stuff just fine.
by the time you source all the same quality parts that the alter-k already comes with they are very close in price.
i see a bunch of posts on other boards about guys buying that hemmy denny thing but no actual real world usage feedback. they all seem to be projects in the works. the alter-k you have a ton of positive real world usage feedback.
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/29/14 11:32 PM
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Hemi Denny K member is another option. If you're not planning a Gen III swap, you can get by with stock stuff just fine.
by the time you source all the same quality parts that the alter-k already comes with they are very close in price.
i see a bunch of posts on other boards about guys buying that hemmy denny thing but no actual real world usage feedback. they all seem to be projects in the works. the alter-k you have a ton of positive real world usage feedback.
The HDK suspension keeps the front wheels in the correct location vs the others that put the wheels outward, like swapping the later A-body spindles and disc brake set-up. His parts have been on the road at least ten or fifteen years... Just recently going retail with his suspension.
Check it out here: HDK on FABO
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/30/14 09:18 AM
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Hemi Denny K member is another option. If you're not planning a Gen III swap, you can get by with stock stuff just fine.
by the time you source all the same quality parts that the alter-k already comes with they are very close in price.
i see a bunch of posts on other boards about guys buying that hemmy denny thing but no actual real world usage feedback. they all seem to be projects in the works. the alter-k you have a ton of positive real world usage feedback.
The HDK suspension keeps the front wheels in the correct location vs the others that put the wheels outward, like swapping the later A-body spindles and disc brake set-up. His parts have been on the road at least ten or fifteen years... Just recently going retail with his suspension.
Check it out here: HDK on FABO
i know this. but it doesn't change the fact that the only real world feed back is hemmy denny himself and a couple of friends. i'm not saying its junk or anything. the parts and welds are nice looking but i would want real world feedback from actual customers before i dropped 4k on the system. the only real feedback i have seen so far is that the pieces look good and look good in a non-operational car.oh and one guy saying how much of a PITA is was gathering the parts. with the alter-k you can get real world feedback from actual customers that have driven thousands of miles with the system in their car. thats the kind of feedback i want in order to decide to drop 4k on a system.
from the link you provided.
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Nice looking parts Denny. What is the intented purpose of your parts? Do you have any graphs of camber gain, roll center height, or bumpsteer?
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some 20 years ago, my intent was to get rid of the steering box to allow room for a Hemi in a A body.
The intent is still pretty much the same as when I started, Eliminate the bulky, worn out, 40-plus year old steering box with rear steer linkage and replace with a modern, compact, off the shelf, rack and pinion assembly. Also remove/replace the torsion bars to gain room for almost any exhaust you can imagine. And shed a few pounds along the way.
here is the tricky part, for me anyways.
no welding or cutting....100% bolt-on pieces
no exotic ($$$$) parts
use the existing upper control arm attaching points. This somewhat limits what you can do with roll center, however, it can be tuned/improved with extended upper ball joints. Further difficulty arises because of the simple fact hardly any two cars sit at the same ride height.
keep the front wheel / tire combo tucked into the front fenderwell for turning clearance and a better look
sorry..no graphs at this point. gotta put that one on top of the list. There are some pics on another thread showing camber gain thru-out travel.....it is virtually zero, however, due to the upper arm being shorter than the lower arm, there is naturally going to be some camber gain at full compression.
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Re: MUSTANG SUSPENSION FOR AN EARLY A BODY
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10/30/14 07:39 PM
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It's still a MII based suspension. That's a lot of money to clear up some space for headers, imo.
You could buy a TTI system complete to tailpipes for less and clear your stock based suspension.
I also have to wonder about the bumpsteer. In his specific installation, there may be none. But the early A body has a different inner LCA pivot location than a later one and a generic MII rack may not have it's inner tierod pivots in the proper place. Not to mention that ackerman will vary depending on wheelbase. Sounds like some fine tuning/checking is needed to ensure proper geometry. Not to say that the stock suspension doesn't need it too.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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