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Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! #1676925
09/25/14 08:39 PM
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Just a public service announcement!
If you are going to buy Doctor Diff's or any serious brake kit, please get the NON-DRILLED rotor option.
Its free and the rotor has more material to effectively act as a heat sink.
Many people just don't understand that unless cast with holes, drilled rotors are just going to crack faster at higher temps

reference: Trouble Shooting Brake Procedures
#5. Why do brake rotors crack?
http://www.ctbrakes.com/faqs.asp


Thanks for the rotors Cass!
Hopefully the Fedex guys that lost the 4th one stub their toe on it


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676926
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Thanks for the info!


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: Scotts72Rallye] #1676927
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I agree, drilled rotor are not for the street. Showed a guy at cars and coffee how his ebay drilled rotors were cracking from hole to hole. Scary.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: Dan@Hotchkis] #1676928
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Did you kill a set of rotors at your first track day?

Nice rotors!


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: Uhcoog1] #1676929
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Nope not at all!
I just wanted to get an extra set of spares. Problem is that Cass stocks mostly drilled rotors because that's what the general public thinks "looks cool" but they don't usually know that "they crack".

F'ing Fedex lost one though but Cass will send me another


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: Uhcoog1] #1676930
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Are those rear rotors for his big rear kit?


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: 72Swinger] #1676931
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These rotors are the Stage 4 Brembo style 13" fronts and 11.7" Cobra rears


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676932
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Darn, I have the drilled ones on mine. We'll see how long they last. For some reason I thought the fronts and rears didn't come with both slotted so I got drilled for both. I know the only matching color for the calipers front and back was red.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: MuuMuu101] #1676933
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Brake rotors are consumables. All rotors will crack eventually given enough abuse, drilled or not, just that drilled crack faster.
Just run your car hard and use up those drilled rotors and then get non-drilled ones in the future


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676934
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It depends on the quality of the material the rotor is made with. I've seen hundreds of circle track rotors glowing orange that are drilled and they endure pretty good. I will say usually you do get what you pay for, the cheap ones do crack very soon. I agree though ebay rotors are not usually made of good material ( Chinese) and not generally a good idea on the street.
I bought mine from here http://www.r1concepts.com/
Premium series drilled and slotted been fine for almost 5 years now.

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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: Dan@Hotchkis] #1676935
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I agree, drilled rotor are not for the street. Showed a guy at cars and coffee how his ebay drilled rotors were cracking from hole to hole. Scary.




That's why you should never buy cheap Chinese rotors off eBag. You get what you deserve cheaping out on rotors. There have been thousands of good drilled rotors raced for decades with great results. The good rotors have the holes counter sunk drilled to relieve the sharp edges which reduces the cracks.The iron used is important as well. Solid rotors crack too. You can see little cracks on most any type of rotor that's been heated red hot and then squeezed hard during a race. The later slotted rotors will have cracks as well after a race. Wilwood would not sell drilled rotors if they were no good. I've never had a pad glaze up on a drilled or slotted rotor, solid rotors glaze up much easier because the lack of pad surface "wiping" that takes place due to the holes or slots. The pads don't last as long, but if you're worried about pad life this is the wrong forum.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: brads70] #1676936
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It depends on the quality of the material the rotor is made with. I've seen hundreds of circle track rotors glowing orange that are drilled and they endure pretty good.





Those rotors probably aren't drilled. Instead, they are cast with the holes in the mold. The higher quality manufacturers use the proper casting technique to get a good fill with no voids.

The Mercedes "drilled" rotors are made that way and they hold up nicely to heavy use on heavy cars.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: feets] #1676937
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This is exactly why I started this thread. Many rotors are cast like the ones in my first post and then drilled afterwards. It is why I specifically buy the non-drilled rotors

Wilwood, Baer, and any other rotor manufacturer will sell the consumer public anything they want. If you want rotors with "cool looking holes" in them they will sell you those too.
All I am saying is that I don't want them


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: Lefty] #1676938
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... Wilwood would not sell drilled rotors if they were no good. .....



Sure they will. They're in the business of selling brake parts. Enough people ask for them and they'll sell them. Actually, having worked for them at that time that is exactly what happened. They didn't sell them because it was unnecessary, but they got enough "tuners" asking for them that they saw a market, did some R&D and started offering drilled rotors.

The time for drilled rotors has passed. The original reason for the holes was to give the gasses generated from the friction material a place to go rather than creating a barrier between the pad and the rotor.
Modern friction materials do not out-gas like older pads (Ferodo DS11's anyone?).

The holes also had an unexpected side-benefit in that pads that really needed to be up to temp to work well tended to warm up slightly faster with drilled rotors. It was subtle, but with a good and consistent driver you could see it in the lap times.

Chamfering the holes results in holes that now have two sharp edges per side rather than one. Notice that the wilwood rotors are radiused. That isn't an accident.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: ntsqd] #1676939
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I've seen Brembo 345x32 Drilled rotor rings crack, I've seen stoptech rotor blanks crack, I've seen racing brake rings crack. All rotors will get subsurface cracks and indications eventually.

Drilled rotors just have more places for these cracks to form.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: ntsqd] #1676940
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... Wilwood would not sell drilled rotors if they were no good. .....



Sure they will. They're in the business of selling brake parts. Enough people ask for them and they'll sell them. Actually, having worked for them at that time that is exactly what happened. They didn't sell them because it was unnecessary, but they got enough "tuners" asking for them that they saw a market, did some R&D and started offering drilled rotors.

The time for drilled rotors has passed. The original reason for the holes was to give the gasses generated from the friction material a place to go rather than creating a barrier between the pad and the rotor.
Modern friction materials do not out-gas like older pads (Ferodo DS11's anyone?).

The holes also had an unexpected side-benefit in that pads that really needed to be up to temp to work well tended to warm up slightly faster with drilled rotors. It was subtle, but with a good and consistent driver you could see it in the lap times.

Chamfering the holes results in holes that now have two sharp edges per side rather than one. Notice that the wilwood rotors are radiused. That isn't an accident.




Not sure if you are implying the faster lap times were for quicker warm up rotor temps every lap only from drilled rotors, or the simple fact that drilled rotors have less rotational mass, effecting both acceleration and braking positively.

Good point on the two vs one edge on chamfering and the curent reduced out gassing issues.


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Lap times were longer due to needing to brake earlier because the cold pads weren't as effective. Drilled rotors tended to heat the pads up faster than undrilled. Wasn't a huge difference, had to really pay attention and an uber consistent driver is a must.

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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676942
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I recently got the missing brake rotor from Dr. Diff the other week. The front rotors from the Stage 4 kit I got have internal vanes that are vertical while these new rotors are curved
The weird thing is they are both curved in the same direction! Kind of hard to see though cause I painted one hi-temp black


I actually have 2 drivers side rotors! Cass emailed me back and said this was normal. It appears that OEMs often produce rotors like this even on their halo cars. Is it ideal? No, but I have no problems running like this because I doubt I'll get into high enough temps to max out my Carbotech XP12's

On a side note, these suckers are heavy!
They weigh more than my wheels!


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676943
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I recently got the missing brake rotor from Dr. Diff the other week. The front rotors from the Stage 4 kit I got have internal vanes that are vertical while these new rotors are curved
The weird thing is they are both curved in the same direction! .... Is it ideal? No, but I have no problems running like this because I doubt I'll get into high enough temps to max out my...




I noticed the same thing with my kit. Vanes are same direction but drilled holes/slots are different... when they crack I'll switch them out to slotted. Car gets very few miles, so I can wait, not a show stopper.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676944
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On a side note, these suckers are heavy!
They weigh more than my wheels!




Yep!

That's why I discourage people from going really big like I did on the hot rod. Those rotors are 37 pounds EACH. 74 pounds of spinning weight in just front rotors.


As for the uber cars, here's a pic I took of the front suspension on a Mercedes SLR. Notice the big duct running backwards. It leads to a cap that blows down over the top of the rotor.
The smaller duct runs into the center of the rotor behind the hub.

The carbon ceramic rotors have straight vanes.

These brakes tend to dump a bunch of heat and even flicker with flame when pushed hard. That's a big part of the reason for the shield around the lower ball joint.

8320521-SLRsuspension.jpg (174 downloads)

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