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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: camastomcat]
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09/19/14 08:52 AM
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I've thoroughly enjoyed my "science project" over the years. It's making 3X the power it was supposed to and still living. If it grenades tomorrow I would have nothing to complain about. The information that can be gleaned from a site like this is invaluable. Yes, lots of people butt heads because everybody thinks "their way" is best - but everybody means well. Like always when humans are involved, some people get their feelings hurt or their ego's dented and want to puff out their chest to counter it. That's OK too. Everybody can read between the lines when required. I share both my triumphs and failures - and everybody else is free to spend their own time and money to do the same. If I give advice, it's always based upon my own experiences - but ALL of the advice given on the internet is worth exactly what you paid for it. 
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: Duner]
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09/19/14 09:11 AM
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I would like to know what brought up this in the first place and if it was based on 1 person in particular... as in me 
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: dvw]
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09/19/14 10:19 AM
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I build my own. Using what parts I can afford. I take donations, buy used, buy good stuff, and by cheap stuff. Think out a decent combination and go for it. If it breaks or goes slow there is no one to blame but myself. It's worked pretty well.
Doug
We always say build within your financial means, knowledge abilities and with a goal of what you can realisticly achieve.Have a well thought out plan and stick to it.Projects not well planned can blossom into a costly and unatainable project than can completely frustrate you. 
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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09/19/14 10:34 AM
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camastomcat
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I would like to know what brought up this in the first
place and if it was based on 1 person in particular..
as in me
Perhaps 6 pak runner had a point. I forgot yo take my meds. Maybe it has to do with me not being able to find a Mopar block and people not wanting to produce them because there is no demand in the Mopar supply world for spending anymore than $3000 for an alright aluminum POS. Maybe it's because it costs so much more than it used to and people are harder and harder to find that even want to work on this stuff. Look at who tries to come on here trying to help and gets a beat down when they do. The number of people that used to be here and have practical knowledge in building these deals that don't visit or comment here anymore is astounding. I used to work with some of these guys and was at one time, even the one that said " how much power will it take"? As an engine builder, there is no right answer. Sometimes we should all take into consideration who we are commenting to with our garage mentality, me included. When the pros that do this every day take the time to help out or ask our opinion about the manufacture of a part, maybe it wouldn't hurt to take a little time to think about a reasonable response? That's what this was about.....prolly.
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: camastomcat]
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09/19/14 10:42 AM
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I would like to know what brought up this in the first
place and if it was based on 1 person in particular..
as in me
Perhaps 6 pak runner had a point. I forgot yo take my meds. Maybe it has to do with me not being able to find a Mopar block and people not wanting to produce them because there is no demand in the Mopar supply world for spending anymore than $3000 for an alright aluminum POS. Maybe it's because it costs so much more than it used to and people are harder and harder to find that even want to work on this stuff. Look at who tries to come on here trying to help and gets a beat down when they do. The number of people that used to be here and have practical knowledge in building these deals that don't visit or comment here anymore is astounding. I used to work with some of these guys and was at one time, even the one that said " how much power will it take"? As an engine builder, there is no right answer. Sometimes we should all take into consideration who we are commenting to with our garage mentality, me included. When the pros that do this every day take the time to help out or ask our opinion about the manufacture of a part, maybe it wouldn't hurt to take a little time to think about a reasonable response? That's what this was about.....prolly.
Well the other day Pete from Best and I had a bit
of a tiff in another post but non related to any engine
stuff... and I wondered if this was related to that
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: B G Racing]
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09/19/14 11:12 AM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
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I build my own. Using what parts I can afford. I take donations, buy used, buy good stuff, and by cheap stuff. Think out a decent combination and go for it. If it breaks or goes slow there is no one to blame but myself. It's worked pretty well.
Doug
We always say build within your financial means, knowledge abilities and with a goal of what you can realisticly achieve.Have a well thought out plan and stick to it.Projects not well planned can blossom into a costly and unatainable project than can completely frustrate you.
Copied sig I found on some other web site while I was looking for head tech info:
"Don't let your ego write checks that your experience can't cash. It's a hard thing to admit, but it's the truth."
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: BradH]
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09/19/14 11:25 AM
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Columbia, CT
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I'm still confused. Is this about the contributing posters, budget shortfalls, parts failures, the Mopar aftermarket, imported goods, the US labor force, the economy, amature builders, or pro engine builders? 
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: camastomcat]
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09/19/14 11:40 AM
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I would like to know what brought up this in the first
place and if it was based on 1 person in particular..
as in me
Perhaps 6 pak runner had a point. I forgot yo take my meds. Maybe it has to do with me not being able to find a Mopar block and people not wanting to produce them because there is no demand in the Mopar supply world for spending anymore than $3000 for an alright aluminum POS. Maybe it's because it costs so much more than it used to and people are harder and harder to find that even want to work on this stuff. Look at who tries to come on here trying to help and gets a beat down when they do. The number of people that used to be here and have practical knowledge in building these deals that don't visit or comment here anymore is astounding. I used to work with some of these guys and was at one time, even the one that said " how much power will it take"? As an engine builder, there is no right answer. Sometimes we should all take into consideration who we are commenting to with our garage mentality, me included. When the pros that do this every day take the time to help out or ask our opinion about the manufacture of a part, maybe it wouldn't hurt to take a little time to think about a reasonable response? That's what this was about.....prolly.
You can't find a block, so you throw a temper tantrum on moparts ???  And Obviously there must be a demand, because they are SOLD OUT of them !!! Big Blocks, Small Blocks.....sold out ! Helllooooo......
And if you want an Aluminum, from what I see on here, Indy has plenty of them....or order one from KB....
Oh yea, Al Alguire hasn't had a problem getting Iron blocks....HP Performance I think...
And if you can't find anyone that wants to build it for ya, don't know what to say about that perhaps look in the mirror ?? 
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
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09/19/14 12:21 PM
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Jeepmon
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You can't find a block, so you throw a temper tantrum on moparts ???
Knowing Tom like I do, I wouldnt say its a "temper tantrum? But more like venting... I'm sure everyone is guilty of getting frustrated and needing a place to vent... just like I'm sure you have too..
Which doesnt give you the right to pile on..
What we all should do is be more sympathetic.. pat Tom on the head and say "It'll prolly all work out"
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: Jeepmon]
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09/19/14 12:38 PM
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Columbia, CT
moper
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You can't find a block, so you throw a temper tantrum on moparts ???
Knowing Tom like I do, I wouldnt say its a "temper tantrum? But more like venting... I'm sure everyone is guilty of getting frustrated and needing a place to vent... just like I'm sure you have too..
What we all should do is be more sympathetic.. pat Tom on the head and say "It'll prolly all work out"
AH! That makes more sense then...lol.
Have a sip of something cold Tom...
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: camastomcat]
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09/19/14 12:49 PM
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1. Al is a friend of mine, and I know what he was able to get, a very nice, well built aluminum block.
2. The blocks are out of stock because there was a dispute between the people who machine them, and Mother Mopar.
3. I have no problem getting people to do the work.
At least make an attempt to know what you're talking about. Now I need to go to work on my actual race car.
Make up your mind son.....one post you're blaming moparts because you can't get a block.....then you can't find anyone to work on it.....which one is it ???
Maybe you wouldn't need to find another block if you didn't blow stuff up all the time......from the pictures posted her, there were plenty of guys at Monster Mopar runnin fast.....maybe get some tips from some of those guys....
But that's right...It'll prolly be ok... 
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
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09/19/14 12:53 PM
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from the pictures posted her, there were plenty of guys at Monster Mopar runnin fast....
Define fast... 
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: camastomcat]
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09/19/14 01:18 PM
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I would like to know what brought up this in the first
place and if it was based on 1 person in particular..
as in me
Perhaps 6 pak runner had a point. I forgot yo take my meds. Maybe it has to do with me not being able to find a Mopar block and people not wanting to produce them because there is no demand in the Mopar supply world for spending anymore than $3000 for an alright aluminum POS. Maybe it's because it costs so much more than it used to and people are harder and harder to find that even want to work on this stuff. Look at who tries to come on here trying to help and gets a beat down when they do. The number of people that used to be here and have practical knowledge in building these deals that don't visit or comment here anymore is astounding. I used to work with some of these guys and was at one time, even the one that said " how much power will it take"? As an engine builder, there is no right answer. Sometimes we should all take into consideration who we are commenting to with our garage mentality, me included. When the pros that do this every day take the time to help out or ask our opinion about the manufacture of a part, maybe it wouldn't hurt to take a little time to think about a reasonable response? That's what this was about.....prolly.
It is all good bud, we as mopar faithfull get frustrated all the time by the lack of after market support and need to vent to fellow mopar lovers. I can "prolly" understand and offer you a beer one day
2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy
[Re: moparguy7074]
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09/19/14 01:19 PM
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from the pictures posted her, there were plenty of guys at Monster Mopar runnin fast....
Define fast...
There were a lot of Big Dog door cars at MM running in the 4s(1/8 mile) and many more in the south half of 5s.I guess you would have to consider each car setup for engine size,car weight and if they had power adders,blowers or N/A to define if the were fast or not.You can't compare a 3000# door car to a 1600# dragster but certainly can determine their power levels from the setup and combos and resulting ETs.For a Mopar only race,we take our hats of to those guys and their commitment to the sport,many that do it on a very frugal budget.
We espectally like the t-shirts that were being sold at the event."Spare me all your technological BS,show me your time slip"
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