|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: jamesc]
#1666609
09/03/14 10:31 PM
09/03/14 10:31 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
trust me this is not a smart remark either but you don't know as much about oil as you think.
another thing to consider is that VERY, VERY few engine problems can be attributed to oil. more often than not it's oil delivery problems and/or improper assembly craftsmanship.
last i researched shell still had a decent amount of ZDDP in it.
oil quality would be low on my list of factors when diagnosing a failure
 just something else to blame a failure on. the cheapest modern day no name oil on the market will get the job done.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: Quicktree]
#1666611
09/04/14 12:39 AM
09/04/14 12:39 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
|
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
|
Quote:
the cheapest modern day no name oil on the market will get the job done.
Only as long as the engine is designed around the oil.
Chevy put ti rods and ultra light pistons in their modern LS7 small block because the Mobil 1 5w30 they "swear by" as their factory fill oil couldn't maintain adequate film strength in durability testing with more normal weight parts... and that's only a 500 HP (SAE net) hydraulic roller street engine.
And how quickly people seem to forget all the flat-tappet cam failures attributed to the major reduction in zinc, etc., due to the EPA mandating the reduction to save the cat converters.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: dusturbd340W5]
#1666613
09/04/14 01:21 AM
09/04/14 01:21 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
|
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
|
Quote:
Well I had 2 1996 vetts both 6sp with the LT4 one with minor upgrades and the other one was pushing 490hp with heavy ol steel rods and regular ol pistons and I beat the he!! out of both of them for years and the Mobil 1 did just fine.
Mobil 1's formulation has changed significantly over the last 15+ years. The stuff from back then was better suited to that type of application than what's on the parts stores shelves today.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: Thumperdart]
#1666615
09/04/14 01:42 AM
09/04/14 01:42 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
|
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Welcome back Brad! 
Brad's gone... I killed that a$$hole for taking too long to get his junk back together. - Lars Peart (a.k.a. Drummer 1-3/4)
Guess I`m not the only drummer who`s "Bumped his head".........     
I think I need a bigger bump to my head to make me forget this forum even exists. 
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: BradH]
#1666616
09/04/14 01:50 AM
09/04/14 01:50 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,030
Wisconsin
Aero426
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,030
Wisconsin
|
Quote:
Quote:
Well I had 2 1996 vetts both 6sp with the LT4 one with minor upgrades and the other one was pushing 490hp with heavy ol steel rods and regular ol pistons and I beat the he!! out of both of them for years and the Mobil 1 did just fine.
Mobil 1's formulation has changed significantly over the last 15+ years. The stuff from back then was better suited to that type of application than what's on the parts stores shelves today.
As of a couple years ago, the Mobil 1 4T bike oil was the same formulation as their 1990's "NASCAR" oil. It had the right additive package.
The 15W-50 Mobil 1 is also still suitable. It has elevated levels of ZDDP compared to other grades of Mobil 1.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: BradH]
#1666617
09/04/14 08:23 AM
09/04/14 08:23 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Welcome back Brad!
Brad's gone... I killed that a$$hole for taking too long to get his junk back together. - Lars Peart (a.k.a. Drummer 1-3/4)
Guess I`m not the only drummer who`s "Bumped his head".........
I think I need a bigger bump to my head to make me forget this forum even exists.
why because people tell you what you don't wont to hear?
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: Quicktree]
#1666618
09/04/14 09:02 AM
09/04/14 09:02 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 167
maryland
74yellowduster
member
|
member
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 167
maryland
|
zinc schmink jesel probably cut some kind of marketing deal with joe gibbs or something build it right everything checked dont just slap stuff together they are fine on most any oil that is changed regularly you could run 1000000000 ppm zddp but if you build the engine without attention to detail it's not gonna last here is a good read on oils this guy actually is an engineer that has TESTED and documented over 100 different motor oils how they compare for overall wear protection. the rankings start about 1/2 down the page http://540ratblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/motor-oil-wear-test-ranking/
Last edited by 74yellowduster; 09/04/14 09:50 AM.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: dusturbd340W5]
#1666620
09/04/14 10:52 AM
09/04/14 10:52 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,616
Kissimmee Fl.
dusturbd340W5
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,616
Kissimmee Fl.
|
Oh and all the lifter failures years ago was more about a huge batch of lifters that had been machined wrong and was let out in the market place than an oil problem.
70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake
best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: Quicktree]
#1666621
09/04/14 11:08 AM
09/04/14 11:08 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
|
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Welcome back Brad!
Brad's gone... I killed that a$$hole for taking too long to get his junk back together. - Lars Peart (a.k.a. Drummer 1-3/4)
Guess I`m not the only drummer who`s "Bumped his head".........
I think I need a bigger bump to my head to make me forget this forum even exists.
why because people tell you what you don't wont to hear?
Not hardly. It's just been a reminder about how this forum has de-evolved into much less tech and much more opinion (rather than fact- or data-based) bantering and ego thumping.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: 74yellowduster]
#1666622
09/04/14 11:16 AM
09/04/14 11:16 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
|
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
|
Quote:
here is a good read on oils this guy actually is an engineer that has TESTED and documented over 100 different motor oils how they compare for overall wear protection. the rankings start about 1/2 down the page
http://540ratblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/motor-oil-wear-test-ranking/
Yes, the (in)famous 540Rat... whose methodology and interpretation of his data has been run though the wringer by smarter people than us over on SpeedTalk and considered "questionable" at best and downright bogus at worst.
He would never even post pictures of his test machine to dispute the claims that it was nothing more than a modern-day "one armed bandit" as used by shyster oil additive companies in the past.
I don't drink his oil testing Kool-Aid.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: dusturbd340W5]
#1666623
09/04/14 11:21 AM
09/04/14 11:21 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
|
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
|
Quote:
Oh and all the lifter failures years ago was more about a huge batch of lifters that had been machined wrong and was let out in the market place than an oil problem.
That may have been PART of the issue (there was an influx of improperly machined offshore-sourced lifters as I'd been told from sources in the industry), but was certainly not the reason for "all the lifter failures years ago..."
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: BradH]
#1666624
09/04/14 11:25 AM
09/04/14 11:25 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
|
OP
Taking time off to work on my car
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
|
Sorry for apparently wasting everyone's time on here. This forum simply isn't what it used to be from an engine tech perspective. I'll be far more selective in what I bother to post or respond to in the future and will leave the  threads to others.
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: BradH]
#1666625
09/04/14 01:44 PM
09/04/14 01:44 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,008
Sweet Home Alabama
MRMOPAR622
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,008
Sweet Home Alabama
|
We buy the very best Hi $$$ parts find the Best Engine Hi $$$ Builders/Machinist to machine/build the engines to make sure everything is right.And after spending all of that $$$ we say if we use the very best parts and use the very best engine builders/machinist and we are 100% sure its built right,there is no reason to have to use the Hi $$$ oil the cheap stuff is just fine!  I'm Guilty as anyone else on here of going overboard on engine builds and admit I will put my engine in the back of the truck and take it to the best people I can find matters not what they charge or how far I have to travel,but before I bring my engine back I ask these Hi $$$ engine Builders/Machinist what oil should I run and they all tell me use Off Road Race Oil Only if I want my engines to last.Wasting a few $$$ on oil is the least of my worries. I use Lucas 50 weigh Off Road Racing oil,they keep it in stock at Advance here for all the round track racers but not on the selves you have to ask for it.I'm the one that talked the manager into stocking the Lucas oil along with help from all the round trackers.There is a lot more round track racers than Drag Racers around here and they change oil every week. PS Them Hi $$$ engine builders tell me that 80-90% of engine failure now days is due to using the wrong motor oil.people just refuse to spend the extra $$$ and time to get it!
Last edited by MRMOPAR622; 09/04/14 01:47 PM.
"To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man"
"T/D and Pro-Bracket Racer"
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: BradH]
#1666626
09/04/14 01:49 PM
09/04/14 01:49 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 733
jacksonville,FLORIDA
slammedR/T
super stock
|
super stock
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 733
jacksonville,FLORIDA
|
Only oil mandated for use in gasoline passenger cars and trucks were required to lower ZDDP content. Your diesel and motorcycle and "off road/racing" oils are exempt from this. That is why Rotella T still ahs the zddp in it as it is a diesel oil. Also the information about content levels is available from the SAE on thier website.
2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum
|
|
|
Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG!
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
#1666627
09/04/14 01:51 PM
09/04/14 01:51 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 733
jacksonville,FLORIDA
slammedR/T
super stock
|
super stock
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 733
jacksonville,FLORIDA
|
Quote:
We buy the very best Hi $$$ parts find the Best Engine Hi $$$ Builders/Machinist to machine/build the engines to make sure everything is right.And after spending all of that $$$ we say if we use the very best parts and use the very best engine builders/machinist and we are 100% sure its built right,there is no reason to have to use the Hi $$$ oil the cheap stuff is just fine! I'm Guilty as anyone else on here of going overboard on engine builds and admit I will put my engine in the back of the truck and take it to the best people I can find matters not what they charge or how far I have to travel,but before I bring my engine back I ask these Hi $$$ engine Builders/Machinist what oil should I run and they all tell me use Off Road Race Oil Only if I want my engines to last.Wasting a few $$$ on oil is the least of my worries.
I use Lucas 50 weigh Off Road Racing oil,they keep it in stock at Advance here for all the round track racers but not on the selves you have to ask for it.I'm the one that talked the manager into stocking the Lucas oil along with help from all the round trackers.There is a lot more round track racers than Drag Racers around here and they change oil every week.
PS Them Hi $$$ engine builders tell me that 80-90% of engine failure now days is due to using the wrong motor oil.people just refuse to spend the extra $$$ and time to get it!
I like that Lucas 50 weight race oil, buddy of mine runs it in his darg truck S10. It is just so hard to get it unless you order it online.
2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum
|
|
|
|
|
