Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
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Internally this engine is nearly identical to the one in the Valiant above, (different heads but similar flow #'s) with a stock carb, intake, ignition, and exhaust manifolds, it's only down about 70HP but makes the same 500lbs of torque.
or stick a six pack on it and tell everyone its a lil 340
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Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
[Re: 383man]
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I have a 1968 Barracuda convertible. A lot of the stuff you need to do to your car to get it ready for whatever motor you are going to run needs to be done first for several reasons, the #1 reason is safety because it sounds like you are going to have a powerful engine combo in a car not really designed to handle and stop that much power. Things like installing the full US Cartool chassis stiffening kit. Upfrading the disc brakes and rear end, give Dr Diff a call and decide how much you want to spend on stopping. I have the unicast police taxi rotors in the front and his econo Mustang Cobra R kit with a small bore master cylinder. I also had him drop ship me an 8 3/4 rear end with big bolt pattern forged axles and a 489 case with 3.91's and a truetrac diff. He can also drop ship all the stuff Strange sells, including the S-60. Decide if you want to run 15 inch factory style rims or go with some 17's or 18 inch rims. I've never seen a set on a car I liked as much as the 15 inch black factory steel rims with Dog dish hubcaps, but that's up to you. As far as motors go, my car started out with a Slant 6 and a 904. I upgraded the rest of the car then pumped up the slanty and one day decided to put a 2001 EFI'd 5.9 Magnum and a 727 in it. It was just a junkyard motor, but I re-cammed it, match ported the intake and threw in some new rod bearings , valve springs and timing set. I should have re-ringed it, as it only had 90 psi cranking compression in cylinder #2. I ran it like that for a year. With 3.23 gears I had in it at the time, it would run in the mid 13's. A few months ago, I began building a mild 408 stroker motor with a bigger cam, CNC ported Eddies and 10.2 to one compression. I have 30 lbs 2-hole injectors on a deep ported Hughes Airgap with their Big Gulp throttle body. It should put out around 500hp/500tq. Nothing to radical with a streetable cam and a reflashed 1998 truck ECM with a tune from Hemi Fever aka Sean. This is going to be hooked to a bellhousing from a 2 piece Powerglide racing trans, a 1/2 inch adapter that lets it bolt to a 200R4 transmission that is built to hold 750 hp & 650 ft lbs of torque. It will have a 3000 stall converter with a three carbon fiber disc lock-up from Precision Torque Converters. The lock-up is controlled by one 12V wire. The transmission is entirely hydraulically controlled internally and once it drops out of 4th the lock-up disengages automatically. The other nice thing about this transmission is that it has a 2.76 to 1 first gear and a .67 overdrive. You will have to notch the drivers side of the torsion bar crossmember to fit the 200R4, but its one of the the smallest, strongest overdrive transmissions you can put in a Mopar. You'll probably have to remove most of the crossmember to put in the Tremec, but it can be easily reinforced again, especially if you go to an Alterkation style front end. You'll also have to make your own rear transmission mount. Hotchkis is doing a sweet build with that transmission in an A-body now. Those guys are master fabricators and their build is awesome. I also put two passenger side rear Super stock springs in the rear with a sway bar and 1 inch lowering blocks. In the front, I run 1" torsion bars with a welded up K-member, big front swaybar, reinforced lower control arms, Firm Feel upper control arms and Hotchkiss adjustable strut rods. I also made a custom Monte Carlo bar to help stiffen the front end. I welded the shock towers solidly to the inner fenders too. I had a 4 core radiator made by US Radiator, and put in A/C from Vintage Air. My fuel tank is a new stock tank with a pusher pump that feeds a surge tank with a high pressure pump at the front of the car. The main tank has no baffles, but it will run hard all the way down to the last few gallons, because of the surge tank system. The car starts and runs like a modern car, has A/C and on paper it should run in the mid to high 10's and still be able to go faster than I have the nerve to drive it. It should even get good gas mileage on the highway. There are many ways you can go, but having modern technology working for you like EFI, A/C, overdrive, power windows, well-balanced disc brakes, a stiffened chassis, good floor insulation and sound reducing materials, Corbeau VX seats and a low maintenance motor sure makes what ever path you choose to go down a lot more comfortable. You can read about the transmission install over on a-bodies only. Here's the link. http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=274161
Last edited by jbc426; 08/31/14 02:48 PM.
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Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
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08/31/14 10:01 AM
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Well a lot will depend on how hard it will be to hook up that 6 speed.
A friend of mine just assembled a plain jane duster with a 440 with 440 source heads, Holly street dominator intake to keep it under the hood with no scoop, schumacher headers and a 518 overdrive trans and out of the box at the track with zero tuning ran 11.6's
And it has power steering too. Car is a pure street car that can be driven anywhere, anytime. Car was raced through the exhaust and with the tires it runs on the street.
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Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
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08/31/14 01:22 PM
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Lots of good ideas covered. My : Offset ground 440 crank in a B block/440 rods. this is 470 cubes & as you noted it is a better fit in an A body tho an RB is easily doable & the 3/4" higher deck on each end of the V ain't the end of the world for fitment. Headers or 68-70 HP manifolds or max wedge iron manifolds (flow good/heavy/pricey) are the biggest decision/problem area. Alum Source heads. No actual exp but I hear the stroked 360 (408) is a killer. It would weigh less but you still have a small big block cubewise. Noone that I have ever spoken with with a properly built/setup big block A body has ever regretted going that route
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Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
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09/01/14 02:32 PM
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Although you can make an RB engine as light as a stock LA engine, I'd stroke a small block. I met a guy a couple weekends back at the Goodguys Northwest Nationals with a beautiful 66 Satellite vert. Stroked 360. I believe he had 3.91 gears. The car goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds. For street driving you'd get great handling and acceleration like a scalded ape.
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Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
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09/01/14 03:24 PM
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4.25 cranks are available for the SB now days and at 4.060 bore gives you 440 cubes. Spark plugs are way easier to change, headers fit better (no need to cut fenders), more efficent heads (better valve position, fast burn chambers, better plug location...) are easily available, rotating parts are way lighter, overall weight is a lot lighter where it matters... SB just makes more sense all around unless you are considering real awesome BB heads like a B1.
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Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
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09/02/14 02:12 AM
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This 427 inch small block weighs 449 lbs with a super heavy 340 resto block. A stock block engine would be another 50 lbs lighter. It has the same power curve as an early Viper engine. It costs roughly the same to build a stroker small block as it does to build a stroker big block. A 451 or 471 big block will make a little more power than than a 427 inch SB, but the SB will weigh less and take up less space.
I'd go SB or Gen3 in an A body car these days. I don't see any reason to put a big block into a street driven A-body anymore. It was great idea 30 years ago but these days there are better options.
Well said!
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Re: Big Block (440, 400, 383) vs. Small Block in A-body?
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09/02/14 02:54 AM
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This 427 inch small block weighs 449 lbs with a super heavy 340 resto block. A stock block engine would be another 50 lbs lighter. It has the same power curve as an early Viper engine. It costs roughly the same to build a stroker small block as it does to build a stroker big block. A 451 or 471 big block will make a little more power than than a 427 inch SB, but the SB will weigh less and take up less space.
I'd go SB or Gen3 in an A body car these days. I don't see any reason to put a big block into a street driven A-body anymore. It was great idea 30 years ago but these days there are better options.
It still comes down to cost. Yes, if you're going to stroke whatever you have, the costs are similar, but there is no cheaper way to a torque monster than a stock stroke 440. 440s can still be found cheap (sometimes free)...
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