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Rear diff super hot #1661007
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Just finally putting some miles on the car after restoration. 1970 dodge challenger t/a clone, i put a Dana60 from strange in it. I have a weird rubbing sound coming from the rear end when doing tight slow turns ( left and right). So i got home and jacked the back up to have a look and I notice the rear diff what super hot! couldnt even keep my hand on it for 2 seconds. I only went maybe 40 miles at highway speed. Is this normal to be that hot?

I am concerned because i want to take it for a long drive tmrw (6hr road trip) Should i be concerned?

Re: Rear diff super hot [Re: Publicbottle] #1661008
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Leave it at home.

What part was hot? The outer bearings or the center differential?

Something is loading up the bearings and causing bad things to happen.


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Just finally putting some miles on the car after restoration. 1970 dodge challenger t/a clone, i put a Dana60 from strange in it. I have a weird rubbing sound coming from the rear end when doing tight slow turns ( left and right). So i got home and jacked the back up to have a look and I notice the rear diff what super hot! couldnt even keep my hand on it for 2 seconds. I only went maybe 40 miles at highway speed. Is this normal to be that hot?

I am concerned because i want to take it for a long drive tmrw (6hr road trip) Should i be concerned?



should be warm but not hot. New gear you have to drive a few miles then let it cool down a few times i thought

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Did it already come broken in from Strange so that you get proper gear wear? From what I've been told a good way to break in a rear end is to put the car on jack stands, let it run for 15 minutes, then drive around on the streets for 20 minutes (nothing crazy), park it for 2 hours to let it cool, then take it out another 20 minutes. You may want to repeat that last step one more time before you take it out onto the freeway.

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the center section was really hot! strange said they recommend a 500 mile "take it easy" break in period and then take off cover, inspect and change the fluid.

i am starting to think this may be related to a pinion /driveline angle problem. time to take it to the professionals methinks. I am also getting a funny noise from the rear end somewhere when making a tight L or R turn, perhaps the u-joints are binding up?

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I am also getting a funny noise from the rear end somewhere when making a tight L or R turn, perhaps the u-joints are binding up?




That could be the locking unit working. Some brands (Detroit Locker) will pop a bit on tight turns. They lock the axles together until the side to side torque difference is too great then they unlock. That unlocking is heard as a pop and can usually be felt as a shudder in the car.

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Re: Rear diff super hot [Re: Publicbottle] #1661013
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Rearends, especially new ones, run very hot.

I get asked this question at least once a week.

Lack of limited slip additive in the gear lube will cause a sure-grip to bind and chatter around corners.

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With a Strange 60, lets assume 400HP at the FW, since 273's don't normally require them.

Most assume 20% drivetrain loss to the rear wheels.

Lets assume at highway speed you are using 100 HP average at the FW. That means you are "wasting" 20 hp thru the drivetrain and rear tires. If car is manual, I'd guess 5% (high?)loss there in tranny, and I'd guess 5% loss thru the rear tires. Lets assume no brake drag, and u joints zero drag ( ever felt a hot one?). That means 10hp is getting used up in Rear end. 1Hp equals approx 745 watts. That mean a big hunk of metal, with restricted air flow, fairly compact, is being heated internally by a mechanical heat source equal to 7450 watts.

Why would you expect to be able to put your hand and hold it on a piece of metal heated for an hour by a 7450 watt heater?

You can plug in any of your own numbers and likely get a different result, but I think I made my point.


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With a Strange 60, lets assume 400HP at the FW, since 273's don't normally require them.

Most assume 20% drivetrain loss to the rear wheels.

Lets assume at highway speed you are using 100 HP average at the FW. That means you are "wasting" 20 hp thru the drivetrain and rear tires. If car is manual, I'd guess 5% (high?)loss there in tranny, and I'd guess 5% loss thru the rear tires. Lets assume no brake drag, and u joints zero drag ( ever felt a hot one?). That means 10hp is getting used up in Rear end. 1Hp equals approx 745 watts. That mean a big hunk of metal, with restricted air flow, fairly compact, is being heated internally by a mechanical heat source equal to 7450 watts.

Why would you expect to be able to put your hand and hold it on a piece of metal heated for an hour by a 7450 watt heater?

You can plug in any of your own numbers and likely get a different result, but I think I made my point.




Edit above assumes a properly operating rear end


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Re: Rear diff super hot [Re: Publicbottle] #1661016
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Silly question, but you have the right (or any) fluid. Just asking, no disrespect intended.

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With a Strange 60, lets assume 400HP at the FW, since 273's don't normally require them.

Most assume 20% drivetrain loss to the rear wheels.

Lets assume at highway speed you are using 100 HP average at the FW. That means you are "wasting" 20 hp thru the drivetrain and rear tires. If car is manual, I'd guess 5% (high?)loss there in tranny, and I'd guess 5% loss thru the rear tires. Lets assume no brake drag, and u joints zero drag ( ever felt a hot one?). That means 10hp is getting used up in Rear end. 1Hp equals approx 745 watts. That mean a big hunk of metal, with restricted air flow, fairly compact, is being heated internally by a mechanical heat source equal to 7450 watts.

Why would you expect to be able to put your hand and hold it on a piece of metal heated for an hour by a 7450 watt heater?

You can plug in any of your own numbers and likely get a different result, but I think I made my point.




Edit above assumes a properly operating rear end




Well done, it's nice when facts are given, I can't touch my Dana either, it's supposed to be hot.

Re: Rear diff super hot [Re: BDW] #1661018
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Thanks for all the input, and yes I have fluid in it. 85w140 lucasoil conventional with sure grip additive. I assume this is normal operation after consulting with the experts Dr. Diff and also Strange tech support got back to me rather quickly with their reply which also stated this is normal, especially during the break in period.

Still getting a noise from the rear end somewhere. I took the car out while the diff was cool, and immediately did a series of l & r tight circle turns. The noise was not present. So I continued to hit the highway for 10-20miles or so and tried the l & R tight turns in an empty parking lot and the sound was back! I think it has something to do with the rear end warming up, does it forwards and backwards. And yes there is sure-grip/limited slip additive in the rearend.....any thoughts?

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could it be brakes? thats the correct fluid your using i remember Dr Diff recommending 85/140 conventional for a 8 3/4.

Re: Rear diff super hot [Re: ademon] #1661020
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It's more like 35 hp steady speed down the highway. But the concept is correct, the power that is wasted in the differential shows up as heat. That's why circle track racers have oil coolers on their differentials (didn't want to say rear ends).

This rearend isn't broken in yet, just drive it for a while.

And I seem to remember the limited-slip manufacturers saying that the circles to right and left, the parking lot maneuver, is not recommended. It is part of the lore, but I'd listen to the manufacturers before folklore.

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Re: Rear diff super hot [Re: Publicbottle] #1661021
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FWIW, '01 Durango with 8.25 rear (don't ask me why Chrysler did that) runs 120 degF in the winter and 140 degF in the summer. Sure-grip, 100K miles, aftermarket cast aluminum cover, and synthetic oil. Probe is through the cover. No towing.

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i here this is one of the better oils
http://www.torcousa.com/torco_product/rgo.html

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FWIW, '01 Durango with 8.25 rear (don't ask me why Chrysler did that) runs 120 degF in the winter and 140 degF in the summer. Sure-grip, 100K miles, aftermarket cast aluminum cover, and synthetic oil. Probe is through the cover. No towing.




Sounds low, you sure that's not Celsius?







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