Duster Won't Fire
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07/26/14 11:12 PM
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I got ready to go to a car show this afternoon.Went to fire up my 73 Duster 340 and it won't fire. Haven't had it out in about 2 weeks. My brother in law and I did some checks I have fuel, starter turns over but won't fire. We changed coils and ceramic box on fire wall, still nothing. What we did find was there is no spark from the coil wire to the distributor until the ignition key is just about to the off position, then there is a quick spark for a spit second.We are thinking that my iginition switch is bad since it is the original one. Any thoughts or suggestions? thanks, old 340dog
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: stumpy]
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07/26/14 11:33 PM
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ECU or ballast (4 terminal "dual" ballast I'm assuming). Was this (ballast) the white ceramic piece you changed? If so then I'd say ECU or as Stump said clean that male/female brass connection in the bulkhead. EDIT If you have a VOM, in ign2 (crank) 2 terminals on the ECU (blu/yellow and red/green) need fire if it's a 4 terminal "dual" ballast with a 5 pin ECU with a functioning 5th pin (OE ECU) and the coil positive primary terminal nees fire also. In ign1 "run" the coil positive primary need fire to/thru the ballast either thru a 2 terminal "single" ballast or thru the coil half of a 4 terminal "dual" ballast and the ECU needs fire at the blue/yellow wire terminal. Ohm the dist pickup & check the gap. MORE EDIT Pull the yellow wire off of the starter relay when using the meter in the 2 key positions. You know the starter works & no need to run the batt down or listen to the noise distraction while you are diagnosing
Last edited by RapidRobert; 07/27/14 02:06 AM.
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: 3csalvage]
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07/27/14 01:08 AM
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my 73 340 Duster had a problem with the power wire for the ignition at the bulkhead...
Tony
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: 3csalvage]
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07/27/14 01:20 AM
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I would bet on the ignition switch. I had a 62 power wagon that had a bad switch and you would crank it get it spinning then let the switch go back to run before it would fire!
It is easy to blame this problem on the ignition switch but I have had this same symptom several times and it has never been the ignition switch, ever. The ballast resistor is the problem 99% of the times I've experienced. ONE time out of a 100, I had this problem with my 70 Charger. Years ago I had converted it to electronic ignition. It worked great for several years but would occasionally have the stupid "No start" issue. Unfortunately this problem only seemed to crop up when it was time to start it after an engine swap or a cam break-in session. That is THE worst time to have a problem. In the Charger it turned out to be the distributor. The reluctor wheel moved out of position when the roll pin slipped out. The car would crank and crank THEN feel as if it were ready to start just as I released the key. To understand why my car was reacting that way, I had to go back to the basics. Just like it is with a points ignition, the coil energizes between firing of each cylinder. The electronic ignition works the same way: In between the pulses, the coil builds energy. When the reluctor tips pass the magnetic pickup, the energy is released and it passes through the plug wires. MY distributor was releasing spark energy at the wrong time. I pulled the distributor and properly attached the reluctor wheel. The unit has performed flawlessly ever since.
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: Kern Dog]
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07/27/14 09:52 AM
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Thanks for the information and suggestions guys. I did switvch out the ceramic ballist last night when I first noticed the problem. However it was a used one I had. I'm going to pickup a new one. going to check some connections and distributor as weel. Before I get involved in a ignition switch change. It is weird that the car have been running great and have had no problem. This was the first time out with it in about 2-3 weeks, so it even made it more strange. Something else I did remember later last night was that from time to time when the car was running just still at idle etc. It would stop running,but would restart as soon as I turn the key. Thanks again, I keep everyone posted., hopefully it's a easy fix. old340dog
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: old340dog]
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07/27/14 10:06 AM
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Thanks for the information and suggestions guys. I did switvch out the ceramic ballist last night when I first noticed the problem. However it was a used one I had. I'm going to pickup a new one. going to check some connections and distributor as weel. Before I get involved in a ignition switch change. It is weird that the car have been running great and have had no problem. This was the first time out with it in about 2-3 weeks, so it even made it more strange. Something else I did remember later last night was that from time to time when the car was running just still at idle etc. It would stop running,but would restart as soon as I turn the key. Thanks again, I keep everyone posted., hopefully it's a easy fix. old340dog
you could just bypass the ballast altogether to make sure. nothing will get hurt. you won't be letting it run long enough for the components or over heat.
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: old340dog]
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07/27/14 11:29 AM
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I don't know why everyone jumps on the ballast resistor it's bypassed in start.
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
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07/27/14 01:07 PM
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check the air gap on the pickup coil inside the distributor...
need brass feeler gauge .008
Tony
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
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07/28/14 09:49 PM
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Thought I would give everyone a update. Stoped by NAPA after work today, they had to order a new 4 prong ballist resister. I'll have that tommorrow. But I did get a can of spray electric contact cleaner. I figured I'd do some simple cleans and checks tonight. Then move to the ballist replacement, if that didn't work.And move on to something else, going by things systematically. I sprayed and cleaned the electric plugs, contacts points one the ballist, electronic module control box and steering column plug in under the dash. To my surprise and relief the duster started right up.Seems to run pretty good. I do think I will put the new ballist in when I get it. Thanks to everyone for their input and suggestions.
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: RapidRobert]
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09/18/14 09:46 PM
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Well after several months from my problem with my duster not wanting to start,my old problem is back. It started right up after sitting in garage for about a week. (I haven't had any problems since my last post.) It ran for about 10 minutes while I got my tractor out to mow. When I got ready to put in back in the garage about an hour later it won't start. We got it pushed back into garage. A friend and I did a check while I turned engine over and after letting the motor crank about 10 seconds there was only 3 sparks from the coil wire and they were yellow in color. I said the heck with it since it was late and put my battery tender on battery since I thought the battery may be weak from cranking it muliple times. Last night I happened to be in garage so I thought I would see if would start. To my surpise it fired right up. So my question am I dealing with a faulty iginition coil or the orange ECM box on the fender well? Or is it something else. thanks, old 340dog
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Re: Duster Won't Fire
[Re: skicker]
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09/19/14 06:16 PM
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I only use Mopar ignition as backup after all the pickups and control box failures I have found that the late 80s factory control boxes work good and don't just fail . My change to Pertronix and never had a issue and or points but I'm old skool You also may want to check the wiring down the steering col for burns or breaks My 73 had burnt / broken wire in main harness also you may want to check the engine ground
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