Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: Mike H]
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12/09/08 01:20 PM
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I bought a gallon of PPG Omni (F6 Bright Green) with the intent of spraying my trunk, engine compartment and jambs and maybe saving a couple bucks on my paint job. A paint shop will finish the job using Glasurit. I mixed it 50/50 with omni medium reducer, and the stuff sprays like green water. I figure it will take 3-4 coats to get full coverage. Is this normal or did I do something wrong? I'm certainly no painter.
formula doesnt sound right..double check it
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: Challenger 1]
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12/09/08 01:40 PM
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i had the same problem with it. I hated it. it took forever to dry also. i'd never use it again. plus it was too yellowy for sublime but that was probably the mixers fault
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: Mike H]
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12/09/08 01:55 PM
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I bought a gallon of PPG Omni (F6 Bright Green) with the intent of spraying my trunk, engine compartment and jambs and maybe saving a couple bucks on my paint job. A paint shop will finish the job using Glasurit. I mixed it 50/50 with omni medium reducer, and the stuff sprays like green water. I figure it will take 3-4 coats to get full coverage. Is this normal or did I do something wrong? I'm certainly no painter.
Are you using MBC (base coat?)--I've used it many times, never a problem. Sure its thin, but 2nd coat should provide complete hiding.
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: Dr-Dave2]
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12/10/08 01:49 AM
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My paint guy mixed some R4 red for me in OMNI and he doubled the solids part of the formula when he mixed it. Wow did it cover nice. Anyway a lot depends on what color you are spraying. Another Omni job I did with standard by the book mix, I put the first coat on pretty thin and tacky, then went back for two more wet coats, it came out great.
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: Mike H]
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12/10/08 09:05 AM
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My RR was painted with the Omni line. Looks good to me. When talking to a well known Mopar restorer about the Omni stuff, his only negative comment was that the Omni line is not as durable on a vehicle that spends all it's time in the elements/sun. For a pampered, garage kept collector car there should be no problems.
Later, Sandy
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: Mike H]
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12/10/08 09:09 AM
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one word, GARBAGE! ,the watered-down junk takes more coats, mre coats take more time, spend few buck more on better paint and save the hassle,oh,and whatever you do, do not use their clears, that stuff comes off the car in sheets in couple of months, I've seen it with my own eyes,my brother's shop had to re-do a few cars when they tried that GARBAGE OMNI line
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: elitecustombody]
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12/10/08 10:18 AM
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one word, GARBAGE! ,the watered-down junk takes more coats, mre coats take more time, spend few buck more on better paint and save the hassle,oh,and whatever you do, do not use their clears, that stuff comes off the car in sheets in couple of months, I've seen it with my own eyes,my brother's shop had to re-do a few cars when they tried that GARBAGE OMNI line
Stefan
As is the majority of the PPG line
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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12/10/08 10:42 AM
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i am a PPG certified painter for more than 25 years. i really haven't had ANY problems with PPG paints. if OMNI clear coat falls off in sheets why hasn't it on my car painted over 6 years ago. you must have slammed the base coat on WAY to fast or waited to long before clear coating.
the problems with the base coats being to thin is because the older colors were not reformulated for base coat just converted over to base coat. when this happens they take the single stage formula and add the clear tint them add base coat binders. when they do that it has 2X as much clear tint in the formula than if it were single stage color.
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: elitecustombody]
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12/10/08 10:43 AM
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one word, GARBAGE! ,the watered-down junk takes more coats, mre coats take more time, spend few buck more on better paint and save the hassle,oh,and whatever you do, do not use their clears, that stuff comes off the car in sheets in couple of months, I've seen it with my own eyes,my brother's shop had to re-do a few cars when they tried that GARBAGE OMNI line
Stefan
And my daily driver has Omni single stage on it, just a scuff and squirt job I did 4 years ago, car is never garaged, waxed twice and it still looks great. I painted my daughters Honda door and hood three years ago, base clear, (Seattle Silver), match was great, car is never garaged, never waxed, still looks great. I painted a Porsche 944 door for a freind awhile back-still looks great. I use omni whenver I want to save 1/3 to 1/2 on the paint materials cost. Its never dissappointed me.
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: moepwr]
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12/10/08 03:17 PM
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50/50 doesnt sound right
3 or 4 parts paint : 1 part reducer
The Omni MBC (base coat) is 1:1 its the single stage paints that are typically 4:1:1
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: Mr T2U]
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12/10/08 05:28 PM
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i am a PPG certified painter for more than 25 years. i really haven't had ANY problems with PPG paints. if OMNI clear coat falls off in sheets why hasn't it on my car painted over 6 years ago. you must have slammed the base coat on WAY to fast or waited to long before clear coating.
the problems with the base coats being to thin is because the older colors were not reformulated for base coat just converted over to base coat. when this happens they take the single stage formula and add the clear tint them add base coat binders. when they do that it has 2X as much clear tint in the formula than if it were single stage color.
Yea, some of these posts are crazy, show me a paint job where the clear comes off "in sheets" in a few months and I will show you a breakdown in the preperation of the surface or materials involved. Not a damn thing wrong with Omni. Ive had two company cars painted with it.
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Re: Anyone ever spray PPG Omni? Help!
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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12/10/08 06:35 PM
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one word, GARBAGE! ,the watered-down junk takes more coats, mre coats take more time, spend few buck more on better paint and save the hassle,oh,and whatever you do, do not use their clears, that stuff comes off the car in sheets in couple of months, I've seen it with my own eyes,my brother's shop had to re-do a few cars when they tried that GARBAGE OMNI line
Stefan
As is the majority of the PPG line
WOW! That's really sad to hear...especially as an OE supplier for the Big 3 for so many years...no WONDER they're all on the verge of bankruptcy...
In my past experience both using products and watching others, 99% of problems stem from the craftsman, yet gets blamed on the product. Improper prep, not enough flash time, not mixing the ratios correctly, insufficient heat...you name it. Fact is, I've seen all the aforementioned problems with PPG/Omni, DuPont/Nason, Martin Senour (big through NAPA up here years ago), and NONE of these products like to be treated the same. I know of one shop that will only use PPG primers, but prefers DuPonts lineup for paint. Apparently a no-no (according to the dist), but it works fine for him.
And lets not forget the gun...if, as mentioned, the paint is somewhat thin to begin with, and the gun is putting as much paint in the air as it is on the car...well, you get the idea...
2 Demons...no, not my kids!
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