Car Painters: Care to pass along a few tips?
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07/20/14 02:27 AM
07/20/14 02:27 AM
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Kern Dog
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I've painted several cars and had pretty decent results but there are a few things that I'm still unsure about.
First off, there are places where it isn't easy or practical to sand and buff to get a really smooth finish. Lets say areas like door jambs and engine bays. Is it better to increase the reducer to effectively thin down the paint to cover these areas? If so, I'd suppose that I'd need to make more passes and allow more flash time since thinner paint is more likely to run. What disadvantages are there to this? Does the paint lose gloss when more reducer is used?
Second, I have seen YouTube videos and magazine articles that cover the Cut & Buff process. These guys seem to be starting off with a finish that looks far better than what I ever have. They start with a 1000 grit or finer. I often have enough orange peel to need 600. I use Hook-it pads on my D/A and usually sand wet. My finish work comes out decent but takes awhile. I'm sure if I knew some tips to minimize the orange peel I'd have less "cutting" after the paintwork. I follow the instructions regarding paint mix ratios, I've followed the suggestions of the guys at the paint store too. I've heard of painters increasing the reducer in the final topcoat to get the paint to lay down smoother. Fact is, the hood, roof and trunklids often have minimal peel. It is the sides that need the most work. Any suggestions on how to reduce the peel would be helpful. I have used PPG, Omni, Shopline, Nason, Lesonal and Sikkens. By far the Nason was the thinnest and had the least peel. PPG products covered the best but seemed to lay on really thick. Varying pressures seemed to have no effect on the amount of orange peel I had, which was the most of all products.
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Re: Car Painters: Care to pass along a few tips?
[Re: Kern Dog]
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07/20/14 04:21 AM
07/20/14 04:21 AM
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Sport440
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Not a professional painter, but with todays products. Wet sanding/cutting between coats is no longer needed. Did some painting both ways and the paint itself looked a whole lot deeper then the cut/buff method. Used a product additive called The wet look as advised by the Pavey paints that had some serious profesional painters. No orange peel whats so ever. Did the cut and buff later on a fender repair and it wasnt nearly as nice as the just sprayed fender with the wet look.
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Re: Car Painters: Care to pass along a few tips?
[Re: Kern Dog]
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07/20/14 03:25 PM
07/20/14 03:25 PM
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The only times that I have ever sanded between coats was when something landed in the paint, like a bug, an eyelash or dirt. I've painted maybe 25 cars since 1997. Each time I learn something.
Okay so when you refer to Often having to do cutting to your orange peel finish, its after the final spray. You say you need to use 600 grit also, thats pretty rough IMO. When I did my sanding it was with 1500 then 2000. Its best not to have to sand at all.
But thats why your posting There are many things that help reduce OP, a good gun, correct amount of reducer, low humidity, dry times before each spray, and some helpfull additives like the one I mentioned that helped me "Wet Look"
Im thinking with most of your jobs having OP, either more reducer or a better gun. Try that Wet Look next time to. It in itself acts like a reducer too, Plus its also a Hardner. Once you put it in the paint you need to shoot it, and whats left gets tossed. So you only mix what you need + a little more.
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Re: Car Painters: Care to pass along a few tips?
[Re: Kern Dog]
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07/21/14 10:16 AM
07/21/14 10:16 AM
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A really good gun would change your life. Once I found a gun that I loved, I have held on to it for years. The rest as already said is technique and experience. I have never had to use more than 1500 to start out on my cut and buffs, except on maybe a run.
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Re: Car Painters: Care to pass along a few tips?
[Re: dan9]
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07/21/14 09:48 PM
07/21/14 09:48 PM
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I use single stage for engine bays, trunks and door jambs. As to the sanding of the clear-coat I know what you mean. The cars coming from the paint booth often look better than lots of finished products. I think part of the reason is the professional painter probably has heat lamps in their booths. With the lamps they can use a different type of clear than we have to use in our home garage. I just started cutting/buffing my car and was really surprised that i could start out with 2000. I finish with 2500 and am very happy with it.
nope no lamps just lots of air flow and filtration. for less dirt try wearing a polyester paint suit,you'll be amazed how much cleaner jobs you will see.
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Re: Car Painters: Care to pass along a few tips?
[Re: stinger]
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07/22/14 12:31 AM
07/22/14 12:31 AM
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I use single stage for engine bays, trunks and door jambs. As to the sanding of the clear-coat I know what you mean. The cars coming from the paint booth often look better than lots of finished products. I think part of the reason is the professional painter probably has heat lamps in their booths. With the lamps they can use a different type of clear than we have to use in our home garage. I just started cutting/buffing my car and was really surprised that i could start out with 2000. I finish with 2500 and am very happy with it.
nope no lamps just lots of air flow and filtration. for less dirt try wearing a polyester paint suit,you'll be amazed how much cleaner jobs you will see.
along with matching sock
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