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Alternator Problem PLEASE Help #1647524
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Having a problem with my alternator at the track. I bought a rebuilt factory one for my 72 Charger. The problem I am having is that it works ok in the morning for the first couple of passes. Shows about 13 or so amps. By the middle of the afternoon it is only making about 10 if i'm lucky. I'm spinning the motor to about 7000 using the stock pulley. Is this the problem?? Not sure or if I need to get a different alternator. I charge the battery between rounds. I also have electric fans, water pump. This has been a continuing problem. Any suggestions as to why this is happening. Jeremy

Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: raleye72] #1647525
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Sounds like it`s on it`s way out. My 60 amp denso start between 14.5-14.7 and only drops at idle at night w/lights and everything going.........elec. fan, water pump and fuel pump. I`d look into the late model stuff myself............


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Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: raleye72] #1647526
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Having a problem with my alternator at the track. I bought a rebuilt factory one for my 72 Charger. The problem I am having is that it works ok in the morning for the first couple of passes. Shows about 13 or so amps. By the middle of the afternoon it is only making about 10 if i'm lucky. I'm spinning the motor to about 7000 using the stock pulley. Is this the problem?? Not sure or if I need to get a different alternator. I charge the battery between rounds. I also have electric fans, water pump. This has been a continuing problem. Any suggestions as to why this is happening. Jeremy


Sounds like you have some bad diodes, any stock alternator that is functioning correctly should put out at least 13.+ volts all the time when revved up past 1300 RPM Change it out for one for a air condition car The non air cars came with 45 amp alternators, the air cars had 65 amp ones Tuff stuff makes a factory bolt on direct replacement 100 amp that works very well in race cars I bought and used one on my last car


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Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: raleye72] #1647527
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Full field your regulator to rule it out

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I beilieve he is saying amps not volts.Unless he made a mistake.The alt will only put out as many amps as the battery will take.They also drop as the temp gets hotter.Rocky


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I'm sure he meant volts as 13 amps is nothing, 2 fans would draw that much. I bought the 100 amp Tuff alternator as it looks stock & fitted a race regulator to control it. anything above idle & the ammeter is showing +. no lack of power on my car now.

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I beilieve he is saying amps not volts.Unless he made a mistake.The alt will only put out as many amps as the battery will take.They also drop as the temp gets hotter.Rocky


Your correct on what he said, I assumed(ass u and me ) he meant volts


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Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: Cab_Burge] #1647531
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I beilieve he is saying amps not volts.Unless he made a mistake.The alt will only put out as many amps as the battery will take.They also drop as the temp gets hotter.Rocky


Your correct on what he said, I assumed(ass u and me ) he meant volts




In my mind, I know damn a well he meant volts.. and I
think he just messed up due to him not being a elec
type of guy.. if he was a elec type of guy he wouldnt
even be asking...........JMO

Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: raleye72] #1647532
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What they said BUT !!!!
I don't think I have ever seen an engine compartment that CLEAN!!!
Mike

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What they said BUT !!!!
I don't think I have ever seen an engine compartment that CLEAN!!!
Mike




I'm sure that was when he just finished it up...
thats why its so clean.. just a guess

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Having a problem with my alternator at the track. I bought a rebuilt factory one for my 72 Charger. The problem I am having is that it works ok in the morning for the first couple of passes. Shows about 13 or so amps. By the middle of the afternoon it is only making about 10 if i'm lucky. I'm spinning the motor to about 7000 using the stock pulley. Is this the problem?? Not sure or if I need to get a different alternator. I charge the battery between rounds. I also have electric fans, water pump. This has been a continuing problem. Any suggestions as to why this is happening. Jeremy


"Tuff Stuff" and Powermaster" both sell a 100 amp one wire that will bolt right up.


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Thanks for the help everyone. I think I'll go with a 75 AMP power master. How do you field the regulator as was mentioned? Jeremy Actually the engine bay is always that clean.

Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: raleye72] #1647536
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Suggest you get a smaller crank pulley or a bigger than normal alternator pulley. 7000 RPM with a stock crank pulley is way fast. Assuming the alternator has a 2.5" pulley and the crank pulley is 7" that's close to 20k alternator RPM (7000*7/2.5=19,600 alternator RPM). I think max is around 15k... Powermaster will know and advise.

Also, a square back can work but a newer style Denso or even GM case would have better idle output and maybe take a few more RPM.

Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: ahy] #1647537
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Holy patriotic engine, Batman!!


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Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: ahy] #1647538
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Yes I'm running stock size pulleys. What size alternator pulley would you suggest? Jeremy

Re: Alternator Problem PLEASE Help [Re: raleye72] #1647539
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On the pulley ratio... stock was in the range of 3 or as much as 4:1. Powermaster recommends at least 1.75:1 for drag or 1:1 for circle track (see below). It may be easiest to change the crank pulley. I switched from a stock (~7.25") to a March aluminum 6.25" to slow everything down a bit for my warm 496 B engine with 6000 RPM redline. My alternator pulley (stock 70's "big Chrysler" 100+A) is 3" so this is a nominal 2.08:1. I get plenty of idle charge and don't think I am overspeeding the alternator... which has great idle output and is waaay heavy.

I'll suggest something in the same ballpark for your situation. A 6.25" crank pulley and 3" or minimum 2.5" alternator pulley as it sounds street/strip oriented. 7000 RPM with a 6.25" crank and 2.5" alternator pulley puts you at 17,500 alternator RPM which is probably OK for short periods. Again, the square back derivatives are not very good at idle so a Denso or GM case would be better. I switched from a squareback to the "big Chrysler" for this reason. I didn't use the GM derivative as it did not fit with Ed heads and AC. The late 70's "factory high amp" did fit.
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The type of racing will determine the pulley ratio. For example, an overdrive pulley ratio is recommended for drag racing because it is best to charge while in staging and on the return slip. This enables the battery to be fully charged for optimum ignition when you pull to the line. In most cases, a pulley ratio of 1.75:1 or more is recommended for drag racers (see also "Power Pulleys"). For circle track racing, charging while on the track is necessary for long periods of time. For this reason a straight 1:1 pulley ratio is recommended. Powermaster has different styles of pulleys..







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