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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
[Re: Quicktree]
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07/06/14 09:48 AM
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Thanks, I will stick with the Scats then, as I have done in the past and will continue to do.
I do think some of you missed the part that where I said it will be essentially a stock rebuild and not raced. This application wont be raced not even a little bit, and should never see over 5000 RPM ---- just my opinion anyhow.
I love how Quicktree never answered my question to his "they suck" statement, LOL.
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
[Re: Quicktree]
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07/06/14 01:08 PM
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I wouldn't run the Eagle SIR rods but the Scats are 4340 material.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, low 10.30’s 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
[Re: Quicktree]
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07/06/14 01:09 PM
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No problem here Quick, sorry if I kinda called you out singlely, but if you go back and read your specific posts, you were pretty vauge on the whole thing---which was why I wanted to know your reasoning. The post right above this actually has more info than your other ones. That's all and it is all good here.  Thanks all for the replies, I will use the Scats as I wanted too in the first place. I was just thinking of the guys wallet a little, but I didn't want to sacrifice quality if I could help it.
Outcast Dodge guy.
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/06/14 01:48 PM
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Scat Cast 4" and I-Beams in the 408 I had built and sold.....The guy that bought it beats on it constantly....street / strip and it's still running strong. Not a fan of over-spending when not needed  A lot of people cringed when we went with Compstar Components in the 565 as well, but it's still making laps and winning races and spent 2-years in Top Sportsman running 4.70's with a bunch of spray....now it's back in a local index car Rickster
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 12:25 AM
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I have never heard anything bad about the Scat I beams, a good rod...the Eagles on the other hand, I have heard of more then enough that you couldn't pay me to run them. Ran a set of Scat I beam rods for an entire season- about 70-80 passes and even more street beatings. When I took them out they were in great shape. I think the Scat's are the way to go in this situation, thats my
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 09:20 AM
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Scat I-beams in my 410 stroker, 5 years on this build, no problems, mid 10's, driven hard on a regular basis.
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
[Re: Quicktree]
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07/07/14 10:48 AM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
Plenty of high dollar rods are I beam, such as Oliver, etc, etc.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, low 10.30’s 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.56 at 104.17
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 12:45 PM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
Plenty of high dollar rods are I beam, such as Oliver, etc, etc.
Very true but thats another level of quality/cost.
Ive not done many I beams in the last 10 years, and used olivers actually.
I dont recall the bobweight or if the crank took metal.
Do the scat assemblies get weight taken or added to the crank, most common H beam builds seem to have some taken from the crank, if the I beams called for weight added then, hmmm.
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 12:54 PM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
Plenty of high dollar rods are I beam, such as Oliver, etc, etc.
Very true but thats another level of quality/cost.
Ive not done many I beams in the last 10 years, and used olivers actually.
I dont recall the bobweight or if the crank took metal.
Do the scat assemblies get weight taken or added to the crank, most common H beam builds seem to have some taken from the crank, if the I beams called for weight added then, hmmm.
My point was that Quicktree seemed to try and make the point that an I beam type rod was an inherantly bad design. That has zero truth to it
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, low 10.30’s 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.56 at 104.17
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 01:10 PM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
Plenty of high dollar rods are I beam, such as Oliver, etc, etc.
absolutely and at that level they are the best, but this cheap chinese junk i wouldn't put in a lawn mower. now the comp series stuff is pretty good, the H beam chinese rods are decent. the I beams are crap. the ones i have seen look like pot metal of old.
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 01:11 PM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
Plenty of high dollar rods are I beam, such as Oliver, etc, etc.
Very true but thats another level of quality/cost.
Ive not done many I beams in the last 10 years, and used olivers actually.
I dont recall the bobweight or if the crank took metal.
Do the scat assemblies get weight taken or added to the crank, most common H beam builds seem to have some taken from the crank, if the I beams called for weight added then, hmmm.
My point was that Quicktree seemed to try and make the point that an I beam type rod was an inherantly bad design. That has zero truth to it
i never said that at all........
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
[Re: Quicktree]
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07/07/14 01:26 PM
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Quicktree you need to get your hand on a SCAT I beam before you condemn them, if the Chinese I beams you looked at look like pot metal you have not seen the SCAT you have seen the eagle. They are waaaaaaay better than the eagle all the way around from the bolt quality the material selection the machining quality, you don't have to pay extra to get a bronze bushed small end...
A SCAT I beam is a lot lighter than an H beam and will need material removed from most cranks, more so than the H beam.
To answer the OP question, run the SCAT if you can but don't forget to add in the cost of balancing, a step that could be(but really should not if possible) skipped on a tight budget with stock rods.
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 01:34 PM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
You implied in that statement that if you can get an H beam for the price of an I beam, why wouldn't you do so.
IMO, same weight rod to same weight rod, of same material, the I beam has some strength benefits.
Btw, are you aware the Scat I beams are 4340 forgings,
The Eagle SIR rods are 5140
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, low 10.30’s 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.56 at 104.17
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 01:41 PM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
You implied in that statement that if you can get an H beam for the price of an I beam, why wouldn't you do so.
IMO, same weight rod to same weight rod, of same material, the I beam has some strength benefits.
Btw, are you aware the Scat I beams are 4340 forgings,
The Eagle SIR rods are 5140
we were talking chinese crap, not oliver quality
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
[Re: HotRodDave]
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07/07/14 01:43 PM
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Quicktree you need to get your hand on a SCAT I beam before you condemn them, if the Chinese I beams you looked at look like pot metal you have not seen the SCAT you have seen the eagle. They are waaaaaaay better than the eagle all the way around from the bolt quality the material selection the machining quality, you don't have to pay extra to get a bronze bushed small end...
A SCAT I beam is a lot lighter than an H beam and will need material removed from most cranks, more so than the H beam.
To answer the OP question, run the SCAT if you can but don't forget to add in the cost of balancing, a step that could be(but really should not if possible) skipped on a tight budget with stock rods.
run them if you like them, i have seen both and for the price difference i wouldn't use them
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Re: Scat or Eagle for I beam rods
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07/07/14 01:46 PM
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I think most of you are missing the point, what is the cost of I beams? what is the cost of H beams? is it really worth it?
You implied in that statement that if you can get an H beam for the price of an I beam, why wouldn't you do so.
IMO, same weight rod to same weight rod, of same material, the I beam has some strength benefits.
Btw, are you aware the Scat I beams are 4340 forgings,
The Eagle SIR rods are 5140
we were talking chinese crap, not oliver quality
Doesn't matter what price point ..... 4340 is inherantly stronger than 5140, and there is no design liability in using an I beam over an H beam.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, low 10.30’s 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.56 at 104.17
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