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4-speed gurus unite. #1641890 07/04/14 10:48 AM 07/04/14 10:48 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Car: '69 Super Bee. Trans:rebuilt 833. History: shifts fine, needs a little shifter and clutch adjustment. Cause(?): u-joint failure, driveshaft vibrating enough to hit the floor pan. New symptom:Under deceleration, pops out of high gear. Not violently. Just let off the gas and it shifts itself out of gear. It doesn't fight going back in, just pops our every time. Question: Adjustment problem? Could the vibration (severe)have knocked somethinf loose or broken something inside? I'm also getting a vibration in the clutch pedal. I didn't notice it before, but it may have been there?? I just need to know if I'm going to need to pull the transmiasion out again, or maybe just adjust it. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: OhioMopar] #1641891 07/04/14 01:11 PM 07/04/14 01:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,556 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,556 Rittman Ohio	I have seen these U-joint failures shake so violently the advance plate shook loose inside the distributor. The same car cracked the bellhousing and extension housing too. If all your adjusments are fine I wouldn't be surprised to find some internal damage. Gus 8197258-rearviewsavoy.jpg (57 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1641892 07/04/14 02:05 PM 07/04/14 02:05 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Drat. I guess I'll pull it and open it up. It shook enough the console and glove box door popped open. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: OhioMopar] #1641893 07/04/14 03:31 PM 07/04/14 03:31 PM
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74RALLYE top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,643 A certified culture free zone.	How would a transmission cause that much vibration? I would try indexing the drive shaft 90 degrees different on the rear yolk. Check the U-joints and make sure all of the caps are mounted correctly and have all of their needle bearings in place. Like OhioMopar said, loosing a U-joint can be very violent.

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: 74RALLYE] #1641894 07/04/14 03:43 PM 07/04/14 03:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: How would a transmission cause that much vibration? I would try indexing the drive shaft 90 degrees different on the rear yolk. Check the U-joints and make sure all of the caps are mounted correctly and have all of their needle bearings in place. Like OhioMopar said, loosing a U-joint can be very violent. The u-joint came apart, that's what caused the vibration. Now I'm getting a popping out of 4th gear condition... 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: OhioMopar] #1641895 07/04/14 03:51 PM 07/04/14 03:51 PM
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RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	Sometimes, a picture just works... 8197417-732-pa13104bb.jpg (123 downloads)

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: RSNOMO] #1641896 07/04/14 04:07 PM 07/04/14 04:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: Sometimes, a picture just works... No point in ruining the car. 4-speeds are worth more for a reason. They're cooler. (I don't recall me or any other kid thinking it was cool to shift into drive and race around the yard... ) Besides, a U-joint let's go behind that, I'm tearing down to replace a sparg. Last edited by OhioMopar; 07/04/14 04:09 PM. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: OhioMopar] #1641897 07/04/14 04:39 PM 07/04/14 04:39 PM
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RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	You just run in the wrong circles... A Hemi Torqueflite shifting is a beautiful thing... (I lost a u-joint cup clip on the INTERSTATE... The sprag survived just fine)... And as far as values, yeah, a 4-speed might bring more... But you need that, to cover the repair bills... Step out of the dark ages... A look inside a full-boogie Torqueflite is almost sexuhl...

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: RSNOMO] #1641898 07/04/14 04:44 PM 07/04/14 04:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: You just run in the wrong circles... A Hemi Torqueflite shifting is a beautiful thing... (I lost a u-joint cup clip on the INTERSTATE... The sprag survived just fine)... And as far as values, yeah, a 4-speed might bring more... But you need that, to cover the repair bills... Step out of the dark ages... A look inside a full-boogie Torqueflite is almost sexuhl... I can look inside a full-boogie Torqueflite when it explodes. I drive mine hard. I'll get it stabilized and it will be more fun that an auto. Noone looks in a car to see if it is an auto. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: RSNOMO] #1641899 07/04/14 10:51 PM 07/04/14 10:51 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,556 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,556 Rittman Ohio	Quote: You just run in the wrong circles... A Hemi Torqueflite shifting is a beautiful thing... (I lost a u-joint cup clip on the INTERSTATE... The sprag survived just fine)... And as far as values, yeah, a 4-speed might bring more... But you need that, to cover the repair bills... Step out of the dark ages... A look inside a full-boogie Torqueflite is almost sexuhl... You left out the skirt, heels, and purse in that picture of the girl's muscle car transmission. Real muscle cars have three pedals. Slushboxes are for women Gus 8197835-savoyburnout.jpg (39 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1641900 07/05/14 04:40 AM 07/05/14 04:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,668 Mi,U.S.A. M mike s top fuel
mike s top fuel M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,668 Mi,U.S.A.	Quote: Quote: You just run in the wrong circles... A Hemi Torqueflite shifting is a beautiful thing... (I lost a u-joint cup clip on the INTERSTATE... The sprag survived just fine)... And as far as values, yeah, a 4-speed might bring more... But you need that, to cover the repair bills... Step out of the dark ages... A look inside a full-boogie Torqueflite is almost sexuhl... You left out the skirt, heels, and purse in that picture of the girl's muscle car transmission. Real muscle cars have three pedals. Slushboxes are for women Gus Yea what he said! Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: mike s] #1641901 07/05/14 11:53 AM 07/05/14 11:53 AM
Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 518 Georgia S Steve Bryant mopar
Steve Bryant mopar S Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 518 Georgia	So I have to admit that once I replaced my mushy auto with a 4-Speed in my Cuda, I now get that admiring comment from admirers "Oh wow, you have a 4-speed". NO-ONE says "Oh wow, you have an automatic" Not to mention the fact that you "feel" your car so much better. An Automatic is like a buffer between me and the drive train. If I were racing or older I could see some benefit to an automatic but for street, overall feel/control and connecting with the car I'll take my 4-speed any day of the week. I am glad I made the change. Now if I just find a nice 4-speed center console top plate for less than $150 I'd be happy.

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1641902 07/05/14 03:10 PM 07/05/14 03:10 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 - R RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer
RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	Quote: You left out the skirt, heels, and purse in that picture of the girl's muscle car transmission. Real muscle cars have three pedals. Slushboxes are for women Gus Yeah, sure they are... Why don't you tell everybody how many times you've been waxed by a 'slushbox'??? Autos have been pounding Ronnie wanna-be's in these parts for many years... 8198470-page4-1021-full.jpg (37 downloads)

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: RSNOMO] #1641903 07/05/14 03:22 PM 07/05/14 03:22 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,748 Florida BDW master
BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,748 Florida	I've always wondered why 4spd cars sell for more than autos. The auto was an expensive option, so there were less made? In reality almost no 1 can "out shift" and auto? It is just the nostalgia factor?

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: BDW] #1641904 07/05/14 03:40 PM 07/05/14 03:40 PM
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70440+6bbl master 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,268 NY	Quote: I've always wondered why 4spd cars sell for more than autos. The auto was an expensive option, so there were less made? In reality almost no 1 can "out shift" and auto? It is just the nostalgia factor? Untrue, in most every case, the automatics outsold the manual trans. Given the choice, I would never buy an automatic muscle car (have owned over 100 in nearly 27 years, 99% of them were factory 4-gear cars)... Nor would most enthusiasts that I know. We all know that autos have the potential to be more consistent, but that's irrelevent to me, as I'm not out racing every Tom, Dick and Harry on the street. Bench seats and pistol grips, that's where it's at!!! '70 Super Bee 440 6 pack 4-spd 4.10 Dana N96 EB5 ‘70 Super Bee 440 6 pack 4-spd 3.54 Dana FC7 ‘70 ‘Cuda 440+6bbl 4-spd 3.54 Dana N96 EB5 V1W

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: 70440+6bbl] #1641905 07/05/14 05:54 PM 07/05/14 05:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Anyone got any more ideas on what causes a trans to pop out of 4th. Enjoyable derailment of the thread, but I still have the same issue! 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: OhioMopar] #1641906 07/05/14 05:56 PM 07/05/14 05:56 PM
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stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,972 Grand Prairie,Texas	Chipped tooth on a gear.

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: OhioMopar] #1641907 07/05/14 05:58 PM 07/05/14 05:58 PM
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RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	If you didn't have this trouble before the u-joint issue, then I think a look inside that trans is in order...

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: RSNOMO] #1641908 07/05/14 07:08 PM 07/05/14 07:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,556 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,556 Rittman Ohio	Quote: Quote: You left out the skirt, heels, and purse in that picture of the girl's muscle car transmission. Real muscle cars have three pedals. Slushboxes are for women Gus Yeah, sure they are... Why don't you tell everybody how many times you've been waxed by a 'slushbox'??? Autos have been pounding Ronnie wanna-be's in these parts for many years... Sounds like a challenge that I'm up for are you??? I went 11 rounds once against mostly glides and a few T-flites thrown in for the win in Pro a few years ago. It's all about the shifter and the talent of a fast hand and left leg Gus 8198698-IMG_0023-1.JPG (28 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: 4-speed gurus unite. [Re: RSNOMO] #1641909 07/05/14 09:43 PM 07/05/14 09:43 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA R Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel
Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel R Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA	Quote: If you didn't have this trouble before the u-joint issue, then I think a look inside that trans is in order... In 50 years of messing with '833s, I've only found two causes for "popping out of gear"... > Shift linkage maladjusted so the slider isn't 100% engaged > Worn dog teeth on the speed gear (in your case, the main drive pinion). You have to look carefully, kind of a tapered or diagonal wear pattern. Hard to imagine, though, how a bad u-joint could cause either of these defects. I'm thinking -- long shot -- bent / twisted mainshaft? Rick

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