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Engine Stand Adapter Plate? #1638421
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guys, i'm looking for a way to mount my engine securely onto my engine stand. some sort of adapter plate to bolt to the back of the motor, to adapt to my stand. the stand i have doesn't allow the mounting arms to securely mount the 340 securely. i currently keep the hoist connected to the motor, for fear it will snap off the stand. i took the plate off the stand, and tried every conceivable combination of mounting the arms to the block, then plate. there's just no way to get them all done, evenly. thanks!

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Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1638422
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Buy a better engine stand. Probably end up cheaper than making up some sort of plate !

Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1638423
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I have a SB plate as well as a BB plate. I think I also have a plate that holds both SB and BB but I'm not sure where it is. Here is a picture of a BB only stand. This one isn't a plate but it is the same idea. I'll take a picture of my SB plate next time I'm out in the shop.

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Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: AndyF] #1638424
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thanks for that. did you build it, or buy it?


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thanks for that. did you build it, or buy it?




I'm sure he built that .

Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: AndyF] #1638426
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Nice job Andy! It always seems to be a compromise to get either an a or b-motor lined up on a stand and have enough clearance at the crank flange. If that stand in the first picture, not Andy's, is the one being used, boot it and get a better one or make the mount head like his.

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I ran into that once with a stand that fit a SB chebby but not ours. I'd take 2 or 4 arms to your welder & have him cut em in the middle & weld in some stock to lengthen em. Shouldn't take much time or $$$


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to "securely mount the motor securely"?
What do you mean?

People put bigblocks on those stands and they don't "snap off".

With all the hundreds of thousands of crappy engine stands out there, when's the last time you heard of an engine breaking a stand?

Now I do agree that it requires some jerry-rigging to put a SBM on a regular engine stand without running into the crankshaft flange. I ended up using 3/4" diameter nuts as spacers.

Andy's device looks very much like all the other Andy stuff: well-designed and constructed. If we all had his skills, what a wonderful world it would be!

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I built it a long time ago. Probably have used it for more than 20 years now. The only problem with it was it was my first design and I missed on the center of gravity. I should've lowered the engine a bit more so the camshaft was closer to the pivot head so that the engine isn't too top heavy. My later designs have a better balance so I can spin a complete BB engine without having it be too top heavy.

The center of gravity is about even with the camshaft for a complete engine although it does move around a bit depending on aluminum heads vs. cast iron heads. Most of the "off the shelf" engine stands have the engine sitting way too high. When you try to rotate a fully built engine it will break your arm or tip the whole rig over. On a perfectly balanced setup you can just use one hand and spin the whole engine upside down to pull the oil pan off.

Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: dogdays] #1638430
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to "securely mount the motor securely"?
What do you mean?

People put bigblocks on those stands and they don't "snap off".

With all the hundreds of thousands of crappy engine stands out there, when's the last time you heard of an engine breaking a stand?

Now I do agree that it requires some jerry-rigging to put a SBM on a regular engine stand without running into the crankshaft flange. I ended up using 3/4" diameter nuts as spacers.

Andy's device looks very much like all the other Andy stuff: well-designed and constructed. If we all had his skills, what a wonderful world it would be!

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I have heard of many cheap engine stands snapping off. Ask 383Ron around here, he had one do it and posted a picture of it.

It's shame they have flooded the market with cheap tools like these. They have hurt people and damaged many engines I'm sure.

Golden Arm, did you try it all ways? Like flip the square head upside down and try it like that? Or are the arms that bolt to the end too short to clear the crank? Is so I would suggest having new arms built or buy something like Andy sells.

I built this engine stand in hi school, didn't realize j\how good of quality it was until years later. Had many 340s bolted to this one over the years.

That's all thread that I use, thread it in all the way into the block and use nut and washer and the other side. Been doing it that way for 20 years with tons of motors, plenty strong enough, don't need grade 8 bolts only 5. I rebuilt 3 super heavy international 404 gas truck engines on this stand. they weigh way more than a 440, but do use 7/16" hardware on the bell housing.
Taller than the average stand, good thing since I'm 6'3" tall.

Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: dogdays] #1638431
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Here is another version that I designed and built over the years. This one is fairly easy to fabricate since it is just a thick slab of laser cut steel. It bolts to the head of a standard engine stand and converts it to a Mopar SB bolt pattern. The center of gravity is dropped down so you can rotate a fully built engine without too much trouble.

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Andy is the center of gravity pretty close to the same between SB and BB so with a bolt hole change on a flat plate will I want the "height" to be pretty much the same? As in the cam tunnel centered


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Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: CKessel] #1638433
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Nice job Andy! It always seems to be a compromise to get either an a or b-motor lined up on a stand and have enough clearance at the crank flange. If that stand in the first picture, not Andy's, is the one being used, boot it and get a better one or make the mount head like his.




the stand is close, but not the same. (just a pic off the net) mine has a brace bar, that goes from the upright, to the bottom support.

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to "securely mount the motor securely"?
What do you mean?




the 4 arms don't line up, in a "box" type formation. if the arms were evenly spread out, the thing would be more stable. to actually line up all 4 holes, the arms are crossed, and there isn't a good spread on the distribution. the stand is nice, the mounting head is a pos.

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I have heard of many cheap engine stands snapping off. Ask 383Ron around here, he had one do it and posted a picture of it.

It's shame they have flooded the market with cheap tools like these. They have hurt people and damaged many engines I'm sure.

Golden Arm, did you try it all ways? Like flip the square head upside down and try it like that? Or are the arms that bolt to the end too short to clear the crank? Is so I would suggest having new arms built or buy something like Andy sells.




yeah, this is what i meant. even though it has 4 arms bolted, it just isn't "secure". the engine droops a bit, and i use the hoist as a back-up. i did try the plate in all 4 axis', as well as the arms, in various combinations of arms, and holes in the block. the stand itself is a sturdy piece. the arms and head, aren't mopar small-block friendly.

i have hit up andy with a pm, and thanks to those who have replied.


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Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: RapidRobert] #1638434
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Yes, pretty close but the BB has more cast iron hanging down below the crankshaft centerline. It is hard to get the SB low enough so it isn't top heavy. You just run out of room between the top of the engine stand plate and the bolt holes on the bellhousing.

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I think that this is what you're looking for?

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And if you can afford that billet motor stand adapter then you should be able to afford the billet timing chain cover that is on the other end of the engine!

Re: Engine Stand Adapter Plate? [Re: AndyF] #1638437
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that looks like what i want. the porsche guys have a nice looking set-up, now a mopar guy needs to copy it.

the mounts on my plate, make the engine very top heavy on the stand. something to mount the bottoms and top, then center the weight (somewhat close to c/g) is what i'm looking for. the first one you posted, or the later ones. if it's mopar smallblock specific, i want one.


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Yes, pretty close but the BB has more cast iron hanging down below the crankshaft centerline. It is hard to get the SB low enough so it isn't top heavy. You just run out of room between the top of the engine stand plate and the bolt holes on the bellhousing.


gotcha & sounds like I might toss the arms & just cut a flat plate like you did & get the SB lower. Plus make sure the stand is sturdy enough (as said there is alot of junk out there) & definitely has 4 wheels (legs)


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andy, sent you a pm and email. hit me up, regarding the plate....


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