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Dropping an engine in from the top #1630826 06/08/14 11:16 PM 06/08/14 11:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 168 Shawnee, KS A AZ67Dart OP member
AZ67Dart OP member A Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 168 Shawnee, KS	I will be dropping a 360/727 in from the top of my 67 Dart. It has a 73 K-member with spool mounts. I plan to have tri-y headers attached to the engine. It looks like it will be necessary to remove the steering link. Does anyone have any pointers? I would not like to restart because I overlooked things. How high should I lift the front end to get the correct angle? Thanks.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630827 06/08/14 11:24 PM 06/08/14 11:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,457 Omaha Ne T TJP I Live Here
TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,457 Omaha Ne	High enough to clear everything. LOL. OK on a more serious side, if the trans is going in with it, it helps to have 3 people, one for each side, ok 4 IE: one to push the tailshaft down and watch what the other 2 are doing while You guide the engine lift. Done it many times without an issue www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630828 06/08/14 11:28 PM 06/08/14 11:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,052 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,052 Oregon	It goes a lot easier if you have an engine leveler on the intake manifold. I can drop an engine by myself in just a few minutes with the leveler and my overhead crane. 8170056-pull.jpg (80 downloads)

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630829 06/08/14 11:38 PM 06/08/14 11:38 PM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: I will be dropping a 360/727 in from the top of my 67 Dart. It has a 73 K-member with spool mounts. I plan to have tri-y headers attached to the engine. It looks like it will be necessary to remove the steering link. Does anyone have any pointers? I would not like to restart because I overlooked things. How high should I lift the front end to get the correct angle? Thanks. You plan to drop it in with both Tri Y headers bolted up and attached to the engine?? Even with Tri Y headers, I don't think that will work. Or you are really taking a chance to scrape the headers against the side of the inner fenders and other stuff.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AndyF] #1630830 06/08/14 11:39 PM 06/08/14 11:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	On my cars lately, I'm making the upper rad horizontal support removable, for easier engine swaps, FWIW. ANDYF's picture shows the tightness on the oil pan I try to avoid. Last edited by jcc; 06/08/14 11:41 PM. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: jcc] #1630831 06/09/14 12:15 AM 06/09/14 12:15 AM
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AZ67Dart OP member A Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 168 Shawnee, KS	jcc, that is an interesting idea. How far do you go, clear out under the fenders or just the center section? How many welds do you drill out? Do you build trusses/brackets to bolt things back together or just put bolts in where all the spot welds were? I am intrigued. That would sure reduce the risk of scratching things.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630832 06/09/14 12:24 AM 06/09/14 12:24 AM
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RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	Quote: That would sure reduce the risk of scratching things. So would dropping the K, and going in from the bottom...

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630833 06/09/14 12:32 AM 06/09/14 12:32 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	If steering column is in place, I doubt you can get the engine in with your headers attached.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630834 06/09/14 12:34 AM 06/09/14 12:34 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,238 Looking for a way out of Middl... IMGTX I Live Here
IMGTX I Live Here Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,238 Looking for a way out of Middl...	Personally I would remove the headers and after you get the engine started into place lay the headers into the engine compartment. Or my preference is to get the engine in and be sure that everything fits as it should then lift it back out a little to install the headers. My

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: IMGTX] #1630835 06/09/14 12:41 AM 06/09/14 12:41 AM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	You will never get the engine in with headers installed to the engine. The steering box and torsion bars will get you every time. Last week I SELF installed a 360 & 727 into a 73 Dart Sport. The 727 made it harder install than my last one which was a 360 & 904 into a 74 Duster. Nobody ever seems to be nearby when I want to install an engine so I'm stuck doing it myself. Always install The engine/trans combo with the crank pulley OFF. It only gets in the way and is easy enough to install with the engine in place. I've used the lift plate bolted to the intake, a cross chain, old seat belts and a load leveler. All will get the job done. I've never had much luck pulling slant six engines though, that crazy tilt makes rigging the engine to stay at the right angle isn't easy.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630836 06/09/14 01:26 PM 06/09/14 01:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: jcc, that is an interesting idea. How far do you go, clear out under the fenders or just the center section? How many welds do you drill out? Do you build trusses/brackets to bolt things back together or just put bolts in where all the spot welds were? I am intrigued. That would sure reduce the risk of scratching things. Actually as little as possible. Pics #43 &44 in the projects forum here I think might show the removable crossmember. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=1#Post7973457 And as others have mentioned, installing with the headers from above, is not likely. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: AZ67Dart] #1630837 06/09/14 02:14 PM 06/09/14 02:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: I will be dropping a 360/727 in from the top of my 67 Dart. It has a 73 K-member with spool mounts. I plan to have tri-y headers attached to the engine. It looks like it will be necessary to remove the steering link. Does anyone have any pointers? I would not like to restart because I overlooked things. How high should I lift the front end to get the correct angle? Thanks. I'm going to start by saying a SB and 727 is much easier than a 440 and 4 speed to hang over head in a dart. Naturally I'm going to say I've done this many times like a lot guys here by myself. I always work by myself for the last 10 years or so. One of my helpers committed sueaside about 8 years ago over a girl and his parents. We were apart at that point, didn't work together anymore for like 3 years before his end. So it's been a while since I depended on anyone else. I also work at work by myself self most times on heavy trucks. You can see from my pictures of how high the car needed to be, what I used to lift the engine and how I got the angle needed. I have a old drive shaft yoke stuck in the back of the trans to keep it from leaking. Like said put the headers into the engine bay ahead of time. If I had to split the steering linkage to get the headers in I would do that before putting the motor in there, in the way. But have everything else on the motor done, bolted on. More the better. My driveway slops away from the garage and that cheap china engine crane was barely enough crane to do this 340/727. It is so unstable compared to my other crane that I keep at work. But this one got the job done with just me. A 440 you will need either a better crane or some helpers. Notice the crane touching my front bumper, it's barely enough crane to do the job on my E body. The crane is a POS, I only keep it at home to lift a lawn mower most times and it stores compact, much more so than my original crane I bought 30 year ago that I still use at work where I have a little more room. It's in and you can see my home made lifting plate that I have been using for 30 years. Hope some of this helps you. This is twice the crane of the imports and will easily handle a big block engine. Last edited by Challenger 1; 06/09/14 02:28 PM.

Re: Dropping an engine in from the top [Re: Challenger 1] #1630838 06/09/14 10:36 PM 06/09/14 10:36 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 168 Shawnee, KS A AZ67Dart OP member
AZ67Dart OP member A Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 168 Shawnee, KS	Thanks, everyone. I'll lay the headers in next to the engine when almost installed and bolt them up after it's all tucked in.

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