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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: hemi68charger]
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06/12/14 03:37 PM
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I appreciate and acknowledge high levels of craftsmanship and detail.
Whether it Modified, Pro Street, Hot Rod, Rat Rod, Race Car, As delivered from factory, Made to look as delivered but made to withstand driving, Drag Car, Pro Touring... whatever.
Just because I don't own or want to own a particular type of vehicle, doesn't mean I can't appreciate and acknowledge them.
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: autoxcuda]
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06/12/14 03:56 PM
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I appreciate and acknowledge high levels of craftsmanship and detail.
Whether it Modified, Pro Street, Hot Rod, Rat Rod, Race Car, As delivered from factory, Made to look as delivered but made to withstand driving, Drag Car, Pro Touring... whatever.
Just because I don't own or want to own a particular type of vehicle, doesn't mean I can't appreciate and acknowledge them.
Very well put! 
1970 A-66 340 Challenger convertible
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Dixie]
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06/12/14 06:18 PM
06/12/14 06:18 PM
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Let me flip the question around a little bit. If you find a 70 Hemi Cuda hardtop for sale. Let's say it's not numbers matching, but has date coded engine. Shaker car, 4spd, Super Trak pak. Let's say it's Hemi Orange with Black hockey stick and vinyl top. Ralley cluster. This is just to get an image in your mind. High end external paint and bodywork.
So, said car is riding on modern aftermarket wheels. Say Weld 5 spokes, but build sheet says it's a Ralley wheel car. Hemi has late model edelbrock carbs with individual aircleaners, aftermarket intake, Headers, with x pipe and flow masters. Big cam, aluminum water pump, aftermarket valve covers, aluminum race radiator with flex fan. Inside it has incorrectly covered seat covers, am/fm Pioneer radio in dash with big speakers in the rear. Let's say it's all in all a fresh car with nicely done work, although not "restoration" correct. Owner wants $250K because that's what Hemi Cuda's are selling for.
Assuming you have the cash, would you pay $250K for a non OE restored Hemi Cuda? Assuming you don't want a OE restored car, just a hot rod. Is a hot rod worth $250K just because there is an "R" in the VIN? If the guy did quality work, and it's not gawdy, more of a day 2 looking car, does it kill the value? Or is it just different, but of the same value? This is where it gets sticky.
I like both OE cars and hot rods, but for different reasons. When you ask does anybody care, it becomes the infamous "it depends" answer. As a buyer/owner if you want a stock restored car, then you want a stock restored car. If you don't, you don't. But, when it comes to buying or selling a car that isn't stock restored (not necessarily OE)the value is impacted by how far off you get from stock and how well the work is done both tastefully and technically. That doesn't mean you can't get strong money. You have to know your market and what people in that market want. Ok, I've blathered on enough for now.
I wouldn't/couldn't waste $250K on one car, even if it was chump change to me, for $250 I could build a handful of cloned HEMI cars... 
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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06/12/14 07:01 PM
06/12/14 07:01 PM
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I wouldn't/couldn't waste $250K on one car, even if it was chump change to me, for $250 I could build a handful of cloned HEMI cars...
'Waste' being entirely subjective...
No 'tributes' for me...
Be it a Mopar, a 7-up, or the Mona Lisa...
For me, it's got to be 'The Real Thing'...
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: RSNOMO]
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06/12/14 08:45 PM
06/12/14 08:45 PM
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I wouldn't/couldn't waste $250K on one car, even if it was chump change to me, for $250 I could build a handful of cloned HEMI cars...
'Waste' being entirely subjective...
No 'tributes' for me...
Be it a Mopar, a 7-up, or the Mona Lisa...
For me, it's got to be 'The Real Thing'...
Which one's the "real thing", which one do you find the better of the two, both were painted in DiVinci's studio in 1503
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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06/12/14 09:40 PM
06/12/14 09:40 PM
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How "real" is this?... 
Real enough that if I had deep enough pockets, it'd be in my garage...
Just the way it sits...
Its controversy is its biggest appeal...
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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06/13/14 09:51 AM
06/13/14 09:51 AM
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Parsippany, New Jersey
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Let me flip the question around a little bit. If you find a 70 Hemi Cuda hardtop for sale. Let's say it's not numbers matching, but has date coded engine. Shaker car, 4spd, Super Trak pak. Let's say it's Hemi Orange with Black hockey stick and vinyl top. Ralley cluster. This is just to get an image in your mind. High end external paint and bodywork.
So, said car is riding on modern aftermarket wheels. Say Weld 5 spokes, but build sheet says it's a Ralley wheel car. Hemi has late model edelbrock carbs with individual aircleaners, aftermarket intake, Headers, with x pipe and flow masters. Big cam, aluminum water pump, aftermarket valve covers, aluminum race radiator with flex fan. Inside it has incorrectly covered seat covers, am/fm Pioneer radio in dash with big speakers in the rear. Let's say it's all in all a fresh car with nicely done work, although not "restoration" correct. Owner wants $250K because that's what Hemi Cuda's are selling for.
Assuming you have the cash, would you pay $250K for a non OE restored Hemi Cuda? Assuming you don't want a OE restored car, just a hot rod. Is a hot rod worth $250K just because there is an "R" in the VIN? If the guy did quality work, and it's not gawdy, more of a day 2 looking car, does it kill the value? Or is it just different, but of the same value? This is where it gets sticky.
I like both OE cars and hot rods, but for different reasons. When you ask does anybody care, it becomes the infamous "it depends" answer. As a buyer/owner if you want a stock restored car, then you want a stock restored car. If you don't, you don't. But, when it comes to buying or selling a car that isn't stock restored (not necessarily OE)the value is impacted by how far off you get from stock and how well the work is done both tastefully and technically. That doesn't mean you can't get strong money. You have to know your market and what people in that market want. Ok, I've blathered on enough for now.
I wouldn't/couldn't waste $250K on one car, even if it was chump change to me, for $250 I could build a handful of cloned HEMI cars...
For 250,000 I could buy a place to live!
1970 A-66 340 Challenger convertible
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: RSNOMO]
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06/13/14 11:44 AM
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What if the car you have is not a true "Muscle Car"? My Satellite was a 318-727 grocery getter over its life. It retains all the factory sheet metal with the exception of the hood, which is the one I got with the car. I feel with a car like mine which has no real value to begin with that modifications are kind of a no harm no foul thing. Would it look like it does now had it been a real Runner or GTX? Probably not, but I sure don't see the harm in modifying a car that doesn't have a pedigree. I could have very easily done it up as a Runner or Bird clone but to a point I think the fun factor would have been different. I drive it a ton, wherever, whenever I want. I don't think I would want to if it was a real A-12, Runner, GTX or Cuda'.
...FAFO...
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: b54406barrel]
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06/14/14 12:29 AM
06/14/14 12:29 AM
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I went to a fair amount of trouble to make mine OE appearing and then promptly drove the crap out of it. I really like the OE look with some tire under it. As with many I don't really see the purpose of of cave dweller, I just really like to drive them. A lot of people are amazed that I drive it and reference the value but the reality is a lot of new cars cost more than it's worth. When I no longer feel I can drive it and hammer it I will sale it to someone who wants a trailer queen. Moved under it's own power for the first time in 20 years March 31st and have 2400 miles on it day. Hagerty isn't gonna like me.  Beater muscle car has to be my most favorite carnation of these cars.
Careful, your character's showing!
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
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06/14/14 08:33 AM
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This is pretty much how we did our cars as I am in the process of restoring my Dad's GTX vert right now. We plan on driving it and yes it will get dirty but it will be as good as it was brand new. So I have to clean and detail it every now and then. For me, the cleaning and the hands on time with these cars are relaxing for me and I find it priceless to be working on car that has stood the test of time and has body lines unlike any car of today.
And yes, I do my own work on my days off from my regular job. Man Brian wish you lived closer. I have a lot of relaxation you could do. http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php67715-Bringing-it-back-to-factory-specs
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: 44D6PAKCUDA]
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06/14/14 10:46 PM
06/14/14 10:46 PM
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Not me... When I go to a big show I go straight to the survivors.... That's the REAL "OE"! 
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: 44D6PAKCUDA]
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06/15/14 12:30 AM
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For us less informed, please define a "day 2" car.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: jcc]
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06/15/14 01:44 AM
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For us less informed, please define a "day 2" car.
"Day 2" car is basically an original, or OEM restored vehicle with "Day 2" modifications done to it, those being what many original new car owners did back in the day after taking delivery, mag wheels, headers, air shocks, side pipes, ladder bars etc, etc, personal/custom touches that are period correct
Mike
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: AARCONV]
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06/15/14 01:23 PM
06/15/14 01:23 PM
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the guy that just paid 3.5 million for a car cares
Well that car was not OE restored that would win a gold or silver cert at NATS. Was not the intentions of the guy who had it restored nor was it what he paid for.
More like car that would place high maybe 1st depending on other cars at regular show field judging at very large Mopar shows, multi make shows, AACA, concours events, etc.
Has any hemi E-body convertible participated in OE Nat certified judging?
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