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FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. #1629794 06/07/14 01:30 AM 06/07/14 01:30 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	This guy from the Sacramento Mopar club was clearing out some stuff. " Hey, you want these Hedman Headers? They are new but don't fit power steering " "Sure. Free is my favorite price." I checked the part #. 78050. The instruction sheet I read online listed that they actually DO fit power steering cars. The car: 73 Dart Sport 340. The 340 was long gone so I put in a 4 barrel 360. These Headman pipes hit everything. The right side is a no brainer in most cases but not with this car. The idler hits. The pipes hit the torsion bar. The pipes rest against the oil pan. I'm going to have to pull them for some serious "clearancing". The left side actually seems like a better fit. I'll know more tomorrow. I hate spending the big bucks on TTIs or Dougs, but that extra money sure saves a bunch of cussing and tool throwing.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Kern Dog] #1629795 06/07/14 02:22 AM 06/07/14 02:22 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,306 Laveen, Arizona GTSDart340 pro stock
GTSDart340 pro stock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,306 Laveen, Arizona	Ran into the same thing on my 68 Dart... Headers suck, but I wasn't going to spend $200+ on the correct manifolds.... 1949 International KB-2 "Mater" - 302/T5 1968 Dodge Dart GTS "The Drat" - 340/727 2006 Dodge Magnum R/T - Hemi 2016 Dodge Durango Limited - 3.6

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Kern Dog] #1629796 06/07/14 05:03 AM 06/07/14 05:03 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086 moparpollack Lil Herman
moparpollack Lil Herman Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086	Check to see if the motor mounts are out of spec. 56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: moparpollack] #1629797 06/07/14 05:17 AM 06/07/14 05:17 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I could understand that cheap headers will need some work to fit. The RH side is just AFU though. The engine sits deal level in the bay. There is one pipe pressed against the pan and another wedged against the torsion bar. The 4 pipes are routed together at that point. This is just piss poor manufacturing. An engine with crash damage or worn engine mounts will certainly cause some fitment problems but I have a stock 360 oil pan and .85 T bars. The idler arm is a stock type, not the longer Fast Ratio one. I had to unbolt the steering box and move it against the fender apron to get the extra 3/4" to get the LH header in. Now it looks like once I move it back over to bolt up it will be really close.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Kern Dog] #1629798 06/07/14 06:24 AM 06/07/14 06:24 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 523 Right here HP2 mopar
HP2 mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 523 Right here	Hedman headers are a big joke. No wonder they were free . I remeber a friend some years ago bought a pair for his 67 Dart and tried to make them fit. They ended up smashed flat from frustration and pure wrath! 70 W100 Power Wagon. 318 4-spd 70 Sport Fury 440 2dr HT 71 Duster 340 71 Charger Super Bee - 383/727 72 Charger "Sabotage" - 440/727 - Street/Strip 78 Warlock in beautiful patina

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Kern Dog] #1629799 06/07/14 07:49 AM 06/07/14 07:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands BigBlockMopar master
BigBlockMopar master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands	I've been wanting to get some headers for my '73 318 Dart aswell for some time but never got the guts to break out the wallet and end up paying for 1 or 2 days of misery trying to install them. I already get claustrofobic when I look into the Dart's enginebay... Fortunatly a set of shorty headers came up for sale recently which I snatched up along with a 4bbl intake. By eyeballing the enginebay and the shorties I think I have a much easier time installing these then a set of full length headers. BigBlockMopar.com

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: HP2] #1629800 06/07/14 10:22 AM 06/07/14 10:22 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	"They ended up smashed flat from frustration and pure wrath!" Bet they still didn't fit. To the OP, I bet if you try to return the headers there will be a re stocking fee. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1629801 06/07/14 10:30 AM 06/07/14 10:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: By eyeballing the enginebay and the shorties I think I have a much easier time installing these then a set of full length headers. When the time comes let us know how they fit & what brand are they live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Kern Dog] #1629802 06/07/14 12:57 PM 06/07/14 12:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	I love my Hedman Hustlers, some of the easiest headers I've ever installed on an A body. A lot easier than TTI.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: justinp61] #1629803 06/07/14 11:00 PM 06/07/14 11:00 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	x2 on the hedman hustler good luck with those center dump shorty headers in the a-body. no worky IMHO.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1629804 06/08/14 12:23 AM 06/08/14 12:23 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,281 WI W wannadrag pro stock
wannadrag pro stock W Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,281 WI	Hooker Competition,small block 67 Barracuda.Tight but didn't have to dent anything and pretty much fit like a glove.$169.00 to my door from Advance Auto Parts with a online 20% discount.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: wannadrag] #1629805 06/08/14 11:20 AM 06/08/14 11:20 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 903 S.E. Minnesota gtsdude super stock
gtsdude super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 903 S.E. Minnesota	I just put a set of hooker competition headers on a small block Aspen, went right after taking steering apart to run through driver side. I put a set of cheap flow techs on my 68 small block dart and they also went in without any trouble. Never tried headmans. 8169303-dart2.jpg (217 downloads)

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: gtsdude] #1629806 06/08/14 12:04 PM 06/08/14 12:04 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,525 God's Country Maryland GODSCOUNTRY340 master
GODSCOUNTRY340 master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,525 God's Country Maryland	Here's the trick to get your Heddman's to fit. I've installed three sets in small block A-Bodies and they ALL needed these mounts. You need the thick big block truck insulators pictured. 8169350-DSC08567.JPG (360 downloads) I love the smell of Deer guts in the morning, it smells like... VICTORY!

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #1629807 06/08/14 12:13 PM 06/08/14 12:13 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,780 Holland MI Ottawa 2 2boltmain master
2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,780 Holland MI Ottawa	Quote: Here's the trick to get your Heddman's to fit. I've installed three sets in small block A-Bodies and they ALL needed these mounts. You need the thick big block truck insulators pictured. Interesting...with a brand and part# in the pic as well- nice! These thicker mounts are still available for both RH and LH sides? Keep old mopars alive.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Kern Dog] #1629808 06/08/14 02:24 PM 06/08/14 02:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 - R RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer
RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	Here's my thought on headers... Unless yer going racing, find a good set of OEM manifolds, extrude-hone 'em for some better flow... And save yourself a ton of grief...

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: RSNOMO] #1629809 06/08/14 02:31 PM 06/08/14 02:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,228 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,228 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Here's my thought on headers... Unless yer going racing, find a good set of OEM manifolds, extrude-hone 'em for some better flow... And save yourself a ton of grief... Do you still own horses? Pay more to extrude hone a set of stock exhaust manifolds than for a good set of headers, are you KIDDING Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Cab_Burge] #1629810 06/08/14 02:43 PM 06/08/14 02:43 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,780 Holland MI Ottawa 2 2boltmain master
2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,780 Holland MI Ottawa	Quote: Quote: Here's my thought on headers... Unless yer going racing, find a good set of OEM manifolds, extrude-hone 'em for some better flow... And save yourself a ton of grief... Do you still own horses? Pay more to extrude hone a set of stock exhaust manifolds than for a good set of headers, are you KIDDING YES, EXTRUDE HONE IS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Keep old mopars alive.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: 2boltmain] #1629811 06/08/14 03:43 PM 06/08/14 03:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Those thicker motor mounts probably would help someone with a 67-72 car. This one is a 73 with the spool mounts. Also, I doubt the taller/thicker mounts would help on the RH side. One pipe rests against the oil pan, another against the torsion bar. The thicker mounts would probably lift the engine high enough to allow the idler arm to swing.

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: Kern Dog] #1629812 06/08/14 06:10 PM 06/08/14 06:10 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	what heads do you have on that 360?

Re: FREE Headers. So far they are NOT worth it. [Re: mikemee1331] #1629813 06/09/14 12:02 AM 06/09/14 12:02 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	The engine is a stock July 1977 360 4 barrel from a truck. I tapped and plugged the air injection holes.

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