One forward, two back...
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06/03/14 12:13 AM
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So, the new cam didn't exactly set the world on fire. Two mid-11 passes on old gas and soft timing. On the third pass, it gave a little hiccup in the middle of high gear and it drove back to the pits making that familiar upper valve train clatter that says something's not right. Pulled valve cover and there was evidinece that there had been a lack of upper end oil on the driver's side. Passenger side looked OK. One left side rocker tip was toast. So, tonight, I plug the drill into the oil pump to see if there is any oil getting to the rockers, and zilch on both sides and I can't get it to register any oil pressure on the gauge. I really don't want to pull this engine AGAIN!
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Re: One forward, two back...
[Re: bill_greenwood]
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06/03/14 12:36 AM
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Do you get resistance from the pump when you spin it.. pull the filter and spin it slowly... are you turning the pump the right way
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Re: One forward, two back...
[Re: bill_greenwood]
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06/03/14 02:05 AM
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If this is a conventional cam, not groove for full time oiling, you will only get oil to the rockers, one side at a time, when the cam holes are aligned with the main oil passage in the block If the cam is stopped and your priming it go ahead and either bump it over a little at a time on the starter or have someone else turn the crank over slowly while your priming it Let us know what you find, maybe pull the left rocker shaft and see if it is plug up around the 4th rocker arm holddown bolt also the no oil pressure on the gauge is not good, if this is a BB pull the bypass valve and spring out of the oil pump and see if it is stuck in the open position If SB you may have to do the same thing, sorry
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: One forward, two back...
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06/03/14 02:34 AM
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I pulled the shafts to see if I'm getting oil. None up top, and I rotated the engine one full turn to see if I could get the oil holes lined up. Now, I'm running the drill forward. Should I be running it in reverse? Small block, BTW. I never thought about drill direction, but there is absolutely no load on the drill, and it's just a 3/8. Even with no restriction up top, there should be some drag from moving 20W50 oil. The oil on the dipstick shows no discoloration, either. It's perfectly clear.
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Re: One forward, two back...
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06/03/14 02:40 AM
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I pulled the shafts to see if I'm getting oil. None up top, and I rotated the engine one full turn to see if I could get the oil holes lined up. Now, I'm running the drill forward. Should I be running it in reverse? Small block, BTW. I never thought about drill direction, but there is absolutely no load on the drill, and it's just a 3/8. Even with no restriction up top, there should be some drag from moving 20W50 oil. The oil on the dipstick shows no discoloration, either. It's perfectly clear.
Clockwise... if you feel no drag on the drill... your gonna have to drop the pan to see why you have no load.. might even be a broke pick up.. while your in there pull some rod and main caps to check the bearings
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Re: One forward, two back...
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06/04/14 01:20 AM
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I had the drill rotating the right direction . In the end, it is what it is. In 90 minutes I've pulled the rad, carb, alternator, plugs, all but 4 header bolts, undone the motor plate bolts, loosened off two of the hardest to get at bell housing bolts. I'll get a hand with the hood tomorrow night and the engine will be on the stand before the second period of the Kings-Rangers game. I do want to try a potential trick, though. Does anyone know if it is possible to pull the engine with the starter in place? I leave the trans in the car. I just run a ratchet strap between the torsion bars and tighten it up before unbolting the block. It actually works pretty slick. If anyone has pulled this trick off, let me know. It's the smaller 90's starter off of a 318 Magnum. If I don't have to remove it, that's that much less Scotch and Advil after the work's over. For the record, the SOB had oil pressure when I shut it off. I have learned to keep an eye on both oil and temp, especially when it's making those funny noises that say something in the upper valve train has "gang aft agley". Left the line at 130, got back to the motor home at 160 deg. 50 psi chugging along at idle down the return road. I'll let ya's know what I finds.
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