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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: moparlulu] #1623160
05/27/14 07:05 PM
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Between a rock & a hard place
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Yes I did. I got it from Cal Percy. Boy did I get the short end of that stick. I'm in Boise


yep ,Cal is a great guy but your not the first. If you are going to have your heads done, Talk to Wes King . He'll make those heads talk to ya!




Ummmm, no. The only thing a set of Wes King heads will say is "Gee, wish I had a Mopar guy port us. We'd be 20 CFM ahead."

Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: cudadoug] #1623161
05/27/14 07:09 PM
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Yes I did. I got it from Cal Percy. Boy did I get the short end of that stick. I'm in Boise


yep ,Cal is a great guy but your not the first. If you are going to have your heads done, Talk to Wes King . He'll make those heads talk to ya!




Ummmm, no. The only thing a set of Wes King heads will say is "Gee, wish I had a Mopar guy port us. We'd be 20 CFM ahead."



He's too arrogant to even talk to.


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623162
05/27/14 11:05 PM
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OK, I'll pipe in once. I would send my heads to Todd at Marsh Performance as he has a great head guy. If you want to spend lots's and have the marque guy do them and squeeze out every CFM, call Tom Hemphill as I think he's done almost as many as Koffel. Fastlane Machine in Utah did a set of B1/MC'sfor me and they are very nice with respectable power in the 1050HP range but I don't really care about dyno numbers. My dragster is 1870#'s with me in the seat and I went 7.55@174 at 7000ft corrected. I would expect 7.20's or better at sea level. Fastlne does great work, and they are reasonable, but expect to wait for 6 months. I'll give you just a brief description of my 572 builds. heads in the 410-420 Int. CFM range, cam in the 840-810 and 288-298@50, 15-1 lightweight pistons, 7.100 aluminum 2.200 rods, well massaged B1 intake, 1150 CFM APD carb. There ya go. Oh...and my B1 originals that I sold Cheatham and related parts, went 8.30's at Las Vegas the year before in the same dragster. i hope this helps.

Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: camastomcat] #1623163
05/28/14 10:12 AM
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OK, I'll pipe in once. I would send my heads to Todd at Marsh Performance as he has a great head guy. If you want to spend lots's and have the marque guy do them and squeeze out every CFM, call Tom Hemphill as I think he's done almost as many as Koffel. Fastlane Machine in Utah did a set of B1/MC'sfor me and they are very nice with respectable power in the 1050HP range but I don't really care about dyno numbers. My dragster is 1870#'s with me in the seat and I went [Email]7.55@174[/Email] at 7000ft corrected. I would expect 7.20's or better at sea level. Fastlne does great work, and they are reasonable, but expect to wait for 6 months. I'll give you just a brief description of my 572 builds. heads in the 410-420 Int. CFM range, cam in the 840-810 and [Email]288-298@50[/Email], 15-1 lightweight pistons, 7.100 aluminum 2.200 rods, well massaged B1 intake, 1150 CFM APD carb. There ya go. Oh...and my B1 originals that I sold Cheatham and related parts, went 8.30's at Las Vegas the year before in the same dragster. i hope this helps.



Yes very much! thank you.
Real quick question...What RPM range are you running?


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623164
05/28/14 10:26 AM
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Shifting at 7300 and across the stripe at 7700-8000.

Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: camastomcat] #1623165
05/28/14 10:29 AM
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Should be 7.30's in Vegas

Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: camastomcat] #1623166
05/28/14 10:42 AM
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Shifting at 7300 and across the stripe at 7700-8000.




Wow! That's getting some!
I'm wanting to keep my RPM to 7000, 7100 at the most. And my old fat girl with me in it is 2835lbs.


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623167
05/29/14 08:56 AM
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Could you tell me a little more about tour build? I'm all ears and a double chin!


Muscle Motors did my shortblock, flat tops .010 in the hole Ross piston cut for B1 or indy head, the rods and crank are a china brand id have to look up the name but Mike at Muscle Motors has enuff faith in them for what im doing then I have no choice but to rely on it, Heads are 57cciirc and .051 cosmetic gaskets = 15-15.5 compression Bullet solid roller custom grind 7000 rpm max, oil thru pushrods, Jesel rockers, SV1 alky carb, B1 heads I bought used from a member here and were already ported and in the 400cfm range, 727 tranny with CRT internals where needed car is a 73 dart lightened and 4.10 gear converter is a 4800 8in, foot braked, right now im working the coilover mounts and waiting for custom valved front coilovers to arrive, hopefully here soon I can get it finished up.




I ordered a KB block in January. I'm still waiting.
I'm pretty sure I will run Ross Pistons and Bullet Cam as well. Are you running the 54mm cam? I was going to be using T&D for my rockers. For the crank I've been looking at Ohio Crankshaft.




Cheatham-
When will your build be done?


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623168
05/30/14 02:04 PM
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Still waiting on the block......


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623169
05/30/14 04:17 PM
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absolutely frigging speechless!!! I just got off the phone with Ken Black not even 15 minutes ago. I put my order and money in for a new block January 20th. I was quoted 12 weeks. I haven't heard a word. So I thought I'd give him a call. He just told me that my block hasn't even left the foundry yet!!!!!!! WTF!!!
I'm so pissed off right now I don't know what to do. That just TOTALLY killed any hope of me racing this year.


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623170
06/03/14 11:31 AM
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As requested, This is a Aluminum World block, 572" K1 rotating assembly with 91 octane pump gas assembly, Indy 440-1 heads hand ported by Mopar Engines West (These are the actual heads that they made the most power with 765 IIRC in the 2006 Mopar Muscle Engine Challenge), .750 ish Comp roller cam, Indy 440-2 dominator manifold, 1250 Holley carb, KB Gear drive. Car weighs 2750 # with me in it, 4.10 geared dana , 727 with all the good stuff. So far 9.20 @144 in 85* heat and a junk track. This picture clicked the 60' beam at 1.379 (usually 1.27 60') and still ran a 9.29 @ 1.41 with 15 mph headwind on a hot track at 4:30 in the afternoon. Shift at 6800rpm , motor sees no more than 7000 through the traps. Car has been 9.04 @ 148 with 501" 14.2/1 comp motor prior, that motor would probably equal this one in these weather conditions but did not have the low end torque that the 572" makes or the weight reduction that this block provides.

Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: Keith Richards] #1623171
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As requested, This is a Aluminum World block, 572" K1 rotating assembly with 91 octane pump gas assembly, Indy 440-1 heads hand ported by Mopar Engines West (These are the actual heads that they made the most power with 765 IIRC in the 2006 Mopar Muscle Engine Challenge), .750 ish Comp roller cam, Indy 440-2 dominator manifold, 1250 Holley carb, KB Gear drive. Car weighs 2750 # with me in it, 4.10 geared dana , 727 with all the good stuff. So far 9.20 @144 in 85* heat and a junk track. This picture clicked the 60' beam at 1.379 (usually 1.27 60') and still ran a 9.29 @ 1.41 with 15 mph headwind on a hot track at 4:30 in the afternoon. Shift at 6800rpm , motor sees more than 7000 through the traps. Car has been 9.04 @ 148 with 501" 14.2/1 comp motor prior, that motor would probably equal this one in these weather conditions but did not have the low end torque that the 572" makes or the weight reduction that this block provides.




Thank you! That's great info! What rocker arms are you running? Have you seen any issues so far spinning it over 7000?


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623172
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Cheatham-
Could you tell me a little more about tour build? I'm all ears and a double chin!


Muscle Motors did my shortblock, flat tops .010 in the hole Ross piston cut for B1 or indy head, the rods and crank are a china brand id have to look up the name but Mike at Muscle Motors has enuff faith in them for what im doing then I have no choice but to rely on it, Heads are 57cciirc and .051 cosmetic gaskets = 15-15.5 compression Bullet solid roller custom grind 7000 rpm max, oil thru pushrods, Jesel rockers, SV1 alky carb, B1 heads I bought used from a member here and were already ported and in the 400cfm range, 727 tranny with CRT internals where needed car is a 73 dart lightened and 4.10 gear converter is a 4800 8in, foot braked, right now im working the coilover mounts and waiting for custom valved front coilovers to arrive, hopefully here soon I can get it finished up.




I ordered a KB block in January. I'm still waiting.
I'm pretty sure I will run Ross Pistons and Bullet Cam as well. Are you running the 54mm cam? I was going to be using T&D for my rockers. For the crank I've been looking at Ohio Crankshaft.




Cheatham-
When will your build be done?


Hopefully this summer, coilover should be hear today then weld up the mounts and finish assembleing the front end then get the motor ready to drop in, but im sure ill have chop,cut and grind on anything that get near the car before its said and done with so who knows how much more time for that lol, maybe i shoulda just bought a chassi car already built but then what fun would that be

Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: Cheatham] #1623173
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Cheatham-
Could you tell me a little more about tour build? I'm all ears and a double chin!


Muscle Motors did my shortblock, flat tops .010 in the hole Ross piston cut for B1 or indy head, the rods and crank are a china brand id have to look up the name but Mike at Muscle Motors has enuff faith in them for what im doing then I have no choice but to rely on it, Heads are 57cciirc and .051 cosmetic gaskets = 15-15.5 compression Bullet solid roller custom grind 7000 rpm max, oil thru pushrods, Jesel rockers, SV1 alky carb, B1 heads I bought used from a member here and were already ported and in the 400cfm range, 727 tranny with CRT internals where needed car is a 73 dart lightened and 4.10 gear converter is a 4800 8in, foot braked, right now im working the coilover mounts and waiting for custom valved front coilovers to arrive, hopefully here soon I can get it finished up.




I ordered a KB block in January. I'm still waiting.
I'm pretty sure I will run Ross Pistons and Bullet Cam as well. Are you running the 54mm cam? I was going to be using T&D for my rockers. For the crank I've been looking at Ohio Crankshaft.




Cheatham-
When will your build be done?


Hopefully this summer, coilover should be hear today then weld up the mounts and finish assembleing the front end then get the motor ready to drop in, but im sure ill have chop,cut and grind on anything that get near the car before its said and done with so who knows how much more time for that lol, maybe i shoulda just bought a chassi car already built but then what fun would that be




Oh believe me it could still be a whole lot of fun!!
You could always get a mess like mine and be chasing other peoples half assing for a long time. I should have started a new ground up chassis car build. I might have been better off


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623174
06/03/14 02:54 PM
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Looks like the car Marty Pearcy's kid used to drive? Love his 64 and 68, great looking cars for sure.

Anyway lots of ways to build a good running combo. My ole bucket of bolts was a 525" B1MC deal. Made 1050+hp and seemed to work well in my 2975lb pig. My junk went hundreds of laps with zero maintenance issues or failures. This is not rocket science by any means. Good components and some thought in the beginning will go a long way.

Having a plan in advance and knowing what your goals are will put you ahead in the end. Some words of advice. Plenty of block options out there. If it were me I would be buying an HP block. If you are going B1 heads, spend the money to go with the T&D paired rockers from the get go. It is a better more reliable system. Buy a good pan and pump. Get the heads to someone who knows how to make them work. GOOD cylinder head people are good cylinder head people period. Don't get hung up in the has to be a "Mopar" guy, trust me in the end you will not regret it. IMO a big cam core if you are chasing 4 digit horsepower is a must. A very good lifter, I prefer the Isky EZ roll x stuff myself. Good machine work and attention to detail during assembly are a must as well.


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: Al_Alguire] #1623175
06/03/14 03:22 PM
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Better to buy the right part once then to buy the wrong one and have to buy the right one after a failure.

The better parts are more money but you get what you pay for, PERIOD!


Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: Al_Alguire] #1623176
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Looks like the car Marty Pearcy's kid used to drive? Love his 64 and 68, great looking cars for sure.

Anyway lots of ways to build a good running combo. My ole bucket of bolts was a 525" B1MC deal. Made 1050+hp and seemed to work well in my 2975lb pig. My junk went hundreds of laps with zero maintenance issues or failures. This is not rocket science by any means. Good components and some thought in the beginning will go a long way.

Having a plan in advance and knowing what your goals are will put you ahead in the end. Some words of advice. Plenty of block options out there. If it were me I would be buying an HP block. If you are going B1 heads, spend the money to go with the T&D paired rockers from the get go. It is a better more reliable system. Buy a good pan and pump. Get the heads to someone who knows how to make them work. GOOD cylinder head people are good cylinder head people period. Don't get hung up in the has to be a "Mopar" guy, trust me in the end you will not regret it. IMO a big cam core if you are chasing 4 digit horsepower is a must. A very good lifter, I prefer the Isky EZ roll x stuff myself. Good machine work and attention to detail during assembly are a must as well.




I've seen your Barracuda out at the track, at Firebird Raceway here in Idaho. Very nice car!
Yes I got my Dart from Cal Percy. It was suppose to only have 20 passes on a freshened motor. I put 13 passes on it.
I tore it down this last winter. It looks like it had 330 passes on it. BUYER BEWARE, right? Anyways that's why I'm doing this new build.
I have planned on T&D paired rockers already. My latest hurdle is getting the KB block that I ordered. You might have read about that already. Ha ha ha!


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623177
06/03/14 03:24 PM
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As requested, This is a Aluminum World block, 572" K1 rotating assembly with 91 octane pump gas assembly, Indy 440-1 heads hand ported by Mopar Engines West (These are the actual heads that they made the most power with 765 IIRC in the 2006 Mopar Muscle Engine Challenge), .750 ish Comp roller cam, Indy 440-2 dominator manifold, 1250 Holley carb, KB Gear drive. Car weighs 2750 # with me in it, 4.10 geared dana , 727 with all the good stuff. So far 9.20 @144 in 85* heat and a junk track. This picture clicked the 60' beam at 1.379 (usually 1.27 60') and still ran a 9.29 @ 1.41 with 15 mph headwind on a hot track at 4:30 in the afternoon. Shift at 6800rpm , motor sees more than 7000 through the traps. Car has been 9.04 @ 148 with 501" 14.2/1 comp motor prior, that motor would probably equal this one in these weather conditions but did not have the low end torque that the 572" makes or the weight reduction that this block provides.




Thank you! That's great info! What rocker arms are you running? Have you seen any issues so far spinning it over 7000?




I shift at 6800 and go through traps at 6800 so it stays below 7000 with the 4.10 gear, forgot to mention tires are 33x15x15. Rockers are Harland Sharp on all my race motors.


Keith

Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: Biginchmopar] #1623178
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Better to buy the right part once then to buy the wrong one and have to buy the right one after a failure.

The better parts are more money but you get what you pay for, PERIOD!






I'm sure trying to get the right pieces.
I really don't want any failures.


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Re: Requesting guidance on a new build.... [Re: 1320Dart] #1623179
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Good Luck!
It sounds like you're doing it right.

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