Hi to all my Mopartners, has been awhile please let me present a question or two - what will this 1970 ebody need besides the new windshield, there is a 15' 'spacer' mentioned in 70-71 parts catalog p/n 3445241. Will my old spacer be buried under the old sealant? Does it get reused?

Also parts catalog mentions a lower 'wedge type' spacer p/n 2895577 as 2 required. Lastly a 'thick' spacer mentioned as p/n 2842569 use as required. Thank you for all help, hopefully will save time for your future/next install when thread is answered!
Nick

In recent instances of having Challanger windshields installed on my cars, the old wedges weren't used. I think modern adhesives and the fact that they are not being done in a production setting make those unnecessary.

Have never used any spacers and had no problems.

Any glass shop should have them rubber setting blocks your looking for 3/16 to 1/4 makes for no water to build up and to flow out as well to protect the glass from metal on the bottom.

Hey Nick...Good to hear from you again...If you are using the 3M sealing ribbon there's two blocks included in the package that should be all you need{at the bottom}...

Some of the original spacers were metal and you don't want to use them in the channel...

Yo Colin, good to hear from you, I've also been busy sharing all my remaing spare parts on eBay the past weeks to get them into the hands of folks that can use, trying to get to 1 of any one part now that I am down to just the 1 car. Man have a blast the next few months in your sweet ride.

Thank you everybody thats offered up the gold! Good to hear from all of you, you're among my heros here. I did check the archives until giving up, not finding what I needed just by typing windshield, gave up because life is too short and it would take many lifetimes to read all the great stuff that happens here daily.

Okay, so you have a windshield, so what! That's the easy part. I called PPG vintage glass division (because I searched the archives here 4 years ago and had phone number 877-855-8100) and knew then to score locally here in VA a '70 date coded, tinted shield p/n 758GBN for $68.84. Nice little price, eh? The 70-71 parts catalog lists two shields, either clear or tinted. Last week I did find a past thread in archives that mentions a third type; blue banded and tinted shield. Are there three? Convertible and a/c would dictate/require the third type? With luck I got the one my car needs today...simply tinted. Thanks for any/all clarification. I'll get out the BCS if it helps prove.

The 'old' windshield is stamped 'Guardian' AS-1-75-66 / M55 Dot22. I expected to see a PPG stamp like my other E bodys. My windshield expert, Eric, representing Force Auto feels the shield was replaced with this Guardian after he pulled it today. Man we should have made a Youtube video, atleast some pics to get this thread going. So can anyone save me time to decipher Guardian date codes to prove if it is original. Was PPG the sole OEM supplier in 1970-71 for E body?

Okay this black adhesive used is one of my worst nightmares come true. A [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] of a morning turned into a hell of a day here. I didn't prepare enough for what I am currently into, have to remove all old adhesive - then primer the area before the new shield goes in. Am scraping with new 5/1 type, next, to finish off remaining thin layer with laquer thinner and a rag to wipe clean/off? Please to answer / tips.

My local Dodge parts man suggested calling mmpar.com for the 15 foot long 'spacer.' Its not available alone but included in the cemented in w/shield kit mentioned in parts catalog 23-660 as p/n 2807425 - having a few of these NOS at $129.99 each. A tube of sealant/can of primer/ and the 15 feet of spacer is what is in the kit. Talk to me men, at that price what is the cost of the 3m ribbon kit? Does the 15' of spacer wrap around the edge of shield like a 'band' -or- just layed in the header panel for shield to rest on along with the wedges...at bottom right?!?!

I started to make a ball out of the mess I was making, then threw it away after calling it a day. I read about the wedges mentioned and found my originals inside the ball! Thanks for that One looks like I mangled it since I was clueless it even existed until too late!

Okay so there is a current need for more then just the wedges men - also now need a set of reveal molding clips - here is what I have here, the originals are still in the header panel, most are rusted away to nothing, please a part number or source for a new set. So it looks like the windshield here has the green clolored clips pictured in the middle which were kept from e bodys I parted at some time. The others have no idea their use other then maybe used at rear window on hardtops. Currently will be grinding off screw herads with dremel, then drilling out in preparation for new screws & new clips. Truthfully - any engineering drawings would help since I have found no exploded views in the 70-1 parts catalog.

Here is the 15 feet of 'spacer.'

Here is 70-1 parts catalog info on w/shield install...

http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=c&id=1

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I take it that most all windshields have always been installed without the thin factory 'spacer,' and like me most enthusiasts had never see or heard of it before.

Its looking like the e body windshield I found through PPG vintage glass is not a 1970 date coded item, even when the sales associate at my local retailer assured it was. May just be an early 1970's piece - I'll be verifying the date code in person Tuesday, for $68 as long as it is still in flawless condition I'll be a buyer.

A newly date coded shield from ECS is some weeks to get - I needed to know weeks ago and for many of you it was worth the wait to get from ECS. The The 'old' Guardian shield that came out may be July 1975, or June 1976 with the 75-66 Guardian codes on it. How do I know its not actually July 1985, June 1985? Either date would be later then 1970, proving it was a replacement. 1970 ebodys it seems have used the 9 for 1969 and 0 for 1970 to designate glass year date codes, a 2 digit month/year. Guardian may also use 2 digits, the rep at PPG found a web site that states Mopar used a 4 digit system. PPG supplied the AS2 side glass in 1969 and all (4) uses a 2 digit month/year code. The 75-66 in the Guardian shield, 2 digits will be for plant that manufactured it only I am clueless which set is plant and which set is date code. I'll probably be just as clueless in the case of the new PPG AS1 glass without some help.

Can anyone pass on what the styro/foam? weather strip across the length of the top of the convertible header panel that was used - where to buy by the foot/roll? Its extremely sticky, is brown (now, and day 1?) and like soggy headliner tape/weatherstrip that crushes easily with no rebound in it losing shape, the tar like chemicals used are probably banned use by EPA in late 70's! Reminds me of the product found on one of e bodys door glass guides.

Okay, got half of the windshield sealant removed and the other half to go. On the other front - I had to drill out 6 rusty reveal molding screws using 7/32" drill bit then ream to the screws tightness in hole comparing to original drilled holes - alright, means all 12 molding screw holes are now open / awaiting the new clip set and screws w/sealer from Hoover's.

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Thanks, Mike, I appreciate your time and energy for taking interest, these may help me out and for anyone in future installs.

Just stopped by to see how this was going....Now you're getting into interesting territory and not the same old boring schpeel...

The "spacer" was short lived in the real world...Shrinkage,aftermarket glass replacement, even replacement cost for a part deemed "not needed" in the main scheme of a daily driver back then...
As it got old it ripped,shrank and shriveled even if it did survive... E bodys were'nt the only models to get it...And since were talking E body we won't touch the foam spacers on other models...
To be honest most don't know{or care} about this level of detail..


I've pulled butyl-ribbon with a cloth backer facing the seating compartment that I belived to be original on some models..Kept the interior parts from sticking to the ribbon...Try finding that stuff..

Good advice, thank you - I'll be looking for one of those with cloth backer.

The new windshield is stamped PGW in lower corner, and the date coding system is unknown to me at this time, it looks brand new, not looking 40 years old and is not obviously stamped PPG and no pentastar.

As a note, another expert watching along explains the new windshield is like half the weight as original and will sit best with 3/8" butyl tape to get the reveal moldings to be just right. At this point the cowl (lower) section needs some patches welded in for the rust holes discovered after shield removed.

I had all the stainless trims sent out for polishing are shining like brand new, black trims are refreshed and going with a Metro universal poly weatherstrip 1 1/4" wide for the top header seal under the stainless trims.