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Re: proportioning valve delete?
[Re: brads70]
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04/24/15 09:20 AM
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I know this is super old, but thanks for the picture and the idea. I was just about to order an in-line proportioning valve for my 4 piston brake conversion, but this is a heck of a lot slicker looking.
Just ordered myself one and will mount it in place of the stock splitter. To be honest I've never had to adjust it, It has always been wide open, you might get by with out it? I'm not convinced I will need it, but in the relative schema of things, $67.99 for a proportioning valve I may need to help the car drive a little better and be a better summer DD is all right by me. I gotta get all my front end projects done so I can drive the damn car before June - the brake system is the only thing I needed more parts and pieces for.
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Re: proportioning valve delete?
[Re: dangina]
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04/25/15 04:01 PM
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The stock COMBINATION valve is inappropriate in an all disc setup.
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Re: proportioning valve delete?
[Re: dangina]
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04/26/15 09:57 AM
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[quote]I'm using the Wilwood adjuster. Removed the stock valve and put the new one in it's place. very cool - I didn't even know about this, I bought their inline one. [quote] Whats the Wilwood part number for the adjuster? Thanks
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Re: proportioning valve delete?
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04/26/15 10:19 AM
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The stock COMBINATION valve is inappropriate in an all disc setup. What about a combination valve from a 4 wheel disc grand Cherokee or an explorer?
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Re: proportioning valve delete?
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04/26/15 11:00 AM
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What about a combination valve from a 4 wheel disc grand Cherokee or an explorer? Different animal altogether, different functionality. Assuming similar sized rotors and calipers they could work properly. But all you would gain over the aftermarket one shown above is price, having a functioning brake warning circuit and only by giving up adjustability. Unless you know, and I do not, that it will work right go with the unit shown above for an all wheel disc setup.
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Re: proportioning valve delete?
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04/27/15 09:27 PM
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Stock type disc/drum combination valves are designed to mate the different physical characteristics of the stock disc and drum style brakes.
Discs always have their pads touching the rotor so it's virtually instant on. Drums do not have the shoes touching the drums so there is some delay before application. One of the functions of the stock combination valve is to "HOLDOFF" the pressure to the front brakes until the rear shoes touch the drums. This allows simultaneous application of the brakes at all four corners. Using this function in an all disc setup will apply the rear brakes before the front brakes. Not good.
Stock modern style drum brakes are self energizing, which boils down to this, they do not apply braking force in a linear fashion. The stock combination valve will slow the rate of increase once rear line pressure hits a "HINGE POINT". Using this function in an all disc setup will make the rear disc non-linear in relation to the front brakes. This may or may not be an issue as weight tends to shift forward decreasing traction in the rear, only testing can determine if this is so for your setup.
Those are the two major issues using a disc/drum combination valve in a disc/disc setup. I would not do it, but I am sure there are plenty of people who have and will tell you "it works fine", those people don't understand how the stock system works and cannot comment knowledgeably on it. You now can, because you know and you can now make your choice.
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Re: proportioning valve delete?
[Re: Sneke_Eyez]
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04/27/15 10:38 PM
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If you mount the manual proportioning valve next to the master cylinder you only have to bend the 'original' line over to the new valve, and add a short line from the prop. valve to the rear line's port on the master cylinder. That's how I did it. I think I have a picture some place.
If you mount the valve next to the driver's seat, then of course you'll have to cut and flair.
I have a picture, but it isn't close enough to show enough detail.
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