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C'mon Wayne....you're better than that. That comment was uncalled for !

I've personally seen what Rick has described regarding the leaning out on a buddies car with my LM1 installed. The idle AFR leaned out when we installed a set of the 8.5's and we had to adjust the main jetting as well. The plugs stay clean now and the car runs soo much better. Going off memory we went up 2 sizes on all 4 corners....it's been awhile, can't remember for sure ?

Does that make me a snake oil salesman as well ? Was I a snake oil salesman when i promoted your supertuning video on another website. I hope not because that link is still stickied and when members open up that subforum the link to your product is right at the top of page 1.

I bought your CD and reviewed it....then recommended it to the members because i felt it was an excellent learning tool and still is. I feel the same about the Firecore product and hundreds of members who've purchased them report excellent results. My own personal experience with Firecore made me a believer. My current set is 5yrs old and still going strong.

It's unfortunate that a few who have had some bad issues with split plug boots are quick to condemn the product as a whole. There are better boots available now than in the past and Rick is allways willing to update as needed. You can't beat the customer service and willingness to bend over backwards.

The high HP power adder guys on the bullet have been very pleased with their results using FireCore 50 wires. I think their "testimonials" count for something...don't you ?

Personally, i don't have a problem with anyone voicing their opinion on a product but when insults are thrown around that's a little over the top for me.


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Ron, you're a great guy, and I THANK you for helping me promote my DVD...

It blows me away that a plug wire company can continually make claims like that but has no real, solid proof...and still has done absolutely nothing to prove (or even disprove) that claim...

Like I said...I'm sure they're as good as any other wire...prolly even better at most at keeping RFI down...and customer service is really good too...but claims without backup and just a "gut feeling" just makes no sense to me...

If they could prove that, Hot Rod would be all over it...

If you ask anyone that's run them on a Dyno, the most they claim is 1hp, which would be pretty hard to quantify...2-4 jet numbers should result in more HP than that...that's at least .5 to one full point A/F change....

I'd try a set to see if the A/F changes, but I'm pretty sure I know what'll happen so I'm not spending the money...

What kind of wires were on your buddy's car? We're they worn out? I've swapped wires before and made cars run better too...

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I almost answered that until I saw the little icon guy with his eyes rolling around.

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Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

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wait a minute now, you in for a good pinion angle thread? I can teach you, even have pics

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wait a minute now, you in for a good pinion angle thread? I can teach you, even have pics

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Yeah but your pics are useless.......I have a RACE car, not something I want the joints to last 100k in......LOL!!!

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Hey now, we now have Vids of pinion angle differences to view on moparts Vids not Pics.

This Wire thread is getting boring. I suggest we switch to a Pinion angle debate with the Vids VS the PICS.

The 509, no, Lets jump to the MP 590, great cam.

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Yeah but your pics are useless.......I have a RACE car, not something I want the joints to last 100k in......LOL!!!

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Hey now, we now have Vids of pinion angle differences to view on moparts Vids not Pics.

This Wire thread is getting boring. I suggest we switch to a Pinion angle debate with the Vids VS the PICS.

The 509, no, Lets jump to the MP 590, great cam.

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We've already done the pinion angle thing ( and the pics are wrong ) and the MP590 thing ( that debate is older than that cam is.) How about arguing about which color reflects heat best - or - which color absorbs heat best?

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My issue with most of the posts is this. If a company or its dealers are going to broadcast results from a test to aid in the sale of a product the test needs to be fair and standardized. Replacing old worn out brand x wires with new brand y wires and seeing an improvement proves NOTHING. It is not a fair test of performance. Now if one did back to back tests in the same conditions, changing only from brand x new wires to brand y new wires then one could use those results to show improvement. This is where some of the testimonials written would get dismissed or questioned.

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While I agree with the points you make about going from a bad set of wires to a new set of good wires I must make the point about how the wires fit and that positive "snap" you get when you push the terminals down on the plugs and cap. This feature and the fact that you can get them custom fit for your particular distributor, valve, cover, headers is a big plus and the main reason to go with Firecore50
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