ANyone tried these plug wires?

Posted By: 8urvette

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 08:58 AM

If we are going to talk about the ignition system asa whole, the spark plug wires, as cab said, only have a simple purpose to serve. "a coat hanger" could do the job. What I have seen on lab scopes where a real loss in energy comes from is the rotor air gap, and the plug gap.

THE ROTOR AIR GAP "RAP" is the gap between the rotor and the distributor. It is a huge gap!!! it takes a lot of energy to jump that, then it travels down its insulated and isolated wire to do it once again. A really good wire, will have a nice boot on it, that can take some heat, some pulling, and just plain neglect and still not let any energy short to a ground.

Posted By: HEMI472

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 10:45 AM

So, what you're saying is that they're not worth any power, correct? (That's the question I think most people want to know)...

It doesn't matter what I "think"...just looking for nonbiased facts....what's noise have to do with power on the average streetcar?...point is, Monte had a huge reply about the wires and zero talk about them being worth any measureable power....

I don't CARE if they are worth any power..........I care that they WORK and solve the RFI issues on the cars I tune, which they do.......others don't. End of that story.

Don't care to wear my motor out on the dyno swapping wires around looking for a few HP..........waste of time. I will find a few horsepower somewhere else. I just want the wires to DO THEIR JOB, the Firecores do

well just so you know there is people who try to make power on just the motor and not rely on a crutch for a baby bottle to make power

Posted By: John Burdine

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 11:12 AM

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So, what you're saying is that they're not worth any power, correct? (That's the question I think most people want to know)...

are you serious?

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 12:00 PM

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I don't care about, nor fall for the "smoke and mirrors" games, but I have run LOTS of different wires over the years and I will say this..............In this age of electronics and EFI, RFI noise is your biggest concern with wires. So far the BEST wire I have ever run in this type application is the Firecore 50 wires. And YES, Rick GAVE me the first set I ever tried to put on an EFI car I was having issues with. But I have BOUGHT several sets since then and will continue to do so.

Some wires, I won't mention brands, are regarded as some of the BEST wires you can get and are probably some of the most popular as well. But I have seen MANY problems, solved on MANY cars, by taking these "popular" wires off and replacing them with Firecores.

Monte

So, what you're saying is that they're not worth any power, correct? (That's the question I think most people want to know)...

wouldn't you think if you reduced noise you may gain a little hp in some application like , Monte says?

It doesn't matter what I "think"...just looking for nonbiased facts....what's noise have to do with power on the average streetcar?...point is, Monte had a huge reply about the wires and zero talk about them being worth any measureable power....

don't you think you are being a little to critical ? i mean we are talking about 1hp in some cases. you see someone who has a dyno has stated they seen a consistent gain. but geez it's 1hp or so.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 12:02 PM

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So, what you're saying is that they're not worth any power, correct? (That's the question I think most people want to know)...

a crutch, really? HP is HP and you are talking to one of the most knowledgeable persons on the board.

Posted By: Crizila

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 04:48 PM

Well, what ever you prefer / indorse, one thing is for sure, the info supplied by Magnecor on their web sight ( O.P. ) - whether you believe the info or not, is a lot more than any other web sight I have seen ( including the wires I use - D.U.I. "live wires" ).

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Posted By: Charger453

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 05:35 PM

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So, what you're saying is that they're not worth any power, correct? (That's the question I think most people want to know)...

And you wonder why people have to go to yellowbullet for advice. Guys w stupid comments like that chase the knowledgeable people away.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 06:22 PM

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I don't care about, nor fall for the "smoke and mirrors" games, but I have run LOTS of different wires over the years and I will say this..............In this age of electronics and EFI, RFI noise is your biggest concern with wires. So far the BEST wire I have ever run in this type application is the Firecore 50 wires. And YES, Rick GAVE me the first set I ever tried to put on an EFI car I was having issues with. But I have BOUGHT several sets since then and will continue to do so.

Some wires, I won't mention brands, are regarded as some of the BEST wires you can get and are probably some of the most popular as well. But I have seen MANY problems, solved on MANY cars, by taking these "popular" wires off and replacing them with Firecores.

Monte

So Monty you've actually ran Magnecor wires? 8.5mm or 10mm?

I'm going to take the lack of a reply as a no.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 06:42 PM

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I don't care about, nor fall for the "smoke and mirrors" games, but I have run LOTS of different wires over the years and I will say this..............In this age of electronics and EFI, RFI noise is your biggest concern with wires. So far the BEST wire I have ever run in this type application is the Firecore 50 wires. And YES, Rick GAVE me the first set I ever tried to put on an EFI car I was having issues with. But I have BOUGHT several sets since then and will continue to do so.

Some wires, I won't mention brands, are regarded as some of the BEST wires you can get and are probably some of the most popular as well. But I have seen MANY problems, solved on MANY cars, by taking these "popular" wires off and replacing them with Firecores.

Monte

So Monty you've actually ran Magnecor wires? 8.5mm or 10mm?

I'm going to take the lack of a reply as a no.

Yes I have........could I tell they were ANY better than what I switched from NO.....

Monte

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 06:46 PM

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well just so you know there is people who try to make power on just the motor and not rely on a crutch for a baby bottle to make power

Normally, I wouldn't even reply to such a STUPID comment, but hey, today is Easter, so why not. I never mentioned "baby bottles" whatever that is, but I assume you are referring to the fact that I tune nitrous cars..........but here is a FACT for you cupcake. I also build specific purpose N/A class motors, so yeah I know a thing or two about that kind of power as well.

Now you have a nice day and go hide some eggs

Monte

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 08:35 PM

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I don't care about, nor fall for the "smoke and mirrors" games, but I have run LOTS of different wires over the years and I will say this..............In this age of electronics and EFI, RFI noise is your biggest concern with wires. So far the BEST wire I have ever run in this type application is the Firecore 50 wires. And YES, Rick GAVE me the first set I ever tried to put on an EFI car I was having issues with. But I have BOUGHT several sets since then and will continue to do so.

Some wires, I won't mention brands, are regarded as some of the BEST wires you can get and are probably some of the most popular as well. But I have seen MANY problems, solved on MANY cars, by taking these "popular" wires off and replacing them with Firecores.

Monte

So Monty you've actually ran Magnecor wires? 8.5mm or 10mm?

I'm going to take the lack of a reply as a no.

Yes I have........could I tell they were ANY better than what I switched from NO.....

Monte

Thanks

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/20/14 09:10 PM

The Magnacor wires look descent enough but i can't comment from personal experience as i've never used them.

I can comment on the FireCore 50's however ;

Several years ago i went through two sets of MSD 8.5's in less than a year. Initially the wires ran great but over a short period of time my engine would develop a miss. The plug boots kept splitting and the wires were arcing to the header tubes. When it happened a second time....that was enough for me.

At that point I purchased a set of FireCore's from Rick and the car ran great. About 2 years later the dreaded miss returned so I started looking. The boots were fine but I discovered that the #2 wire had made contact with a header tube and burned all the way through to the solid core. Car still ran the same ET/MPH but had the miss. Ordered a new replacement from Rick and it promptly arrived. All was well.

Just for grins I ohmed that burnt lead and it still measured ~ 50 ohms/ft. I found that very surprising given the condition of the lead. That pretty much sold me on the quality of the product.

Since that time Rick has asked me to become a dealer and i've sold hundreds of sets over the past few years all over north america and around the world. I have yet to have one bad comment and everyone who buys the FireCore product has been extremely pleased with the quality & fit. Most if not all report improved idle quality and throttle response often necessitating carb adjustments because they're now running lean with the increased spark energy.

Are there better products out there ; maybe, maybe not...but i can say that these wires work great from what i've personally experienced and the personal feedback from hundreds of customers.

Ron

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 04:26 AM

Guys, I really appreciate all of the talk about ignition wires. EVERYONE is correct if they said that there is no magic in an ignition lead. It's job is to get electricity from point A to point B, so it can jump a gap on the spark plug inside the piston cylinder. If the cylinder is burning the fuel as efficiently as possible, consistency is achieved. But, if somewhere along the line, there is an inconsistency, like a rich or lean condition, "dirty" cylinder with oil, carbon, or compression leakage, one might see an lack of complete burn. If someone wanted to richen or increase the cylinder pressure with a power-adder, but the spark is not strong enough, somebody intelligent might consider either increasing the amount or duration of spark, or decreasing the gap the spark needs to jump. Most racers can not increase their dwell because of their ignition system does not allow that tuning. Another way is to increase the amount of "juice" going into the cylinder. Hotter Ignition source. Many of the "top " racers go to a Magneto Ignition. But, if the ignition wire will not allow that much millijoules or amps of energy to travel down the conductive core, it will quickly heat up so much as to melt, catch fire, or just burn up. We saw this in the mag-machine while testing at DSR. There are purpose-built wires for different levels of ignition. For this reason(to my knowledge), there are only two manufactures of ignition wires used at the Top Fuel level. If you feel that there is "magic or mojo" that a sales campaign is using to get the highest level of racers to use either of those two ignition manufacture's wires, I'm not sure you can fathom what it takes to to be competitive at that level.

As stated, I was a member here before helping spec our wires, and I'll be here long after if I ever get out of the biz. If racers can not appreciate when a manufacture, any manufacture, helps sponsor local and national races, supports racers by going to races and fixing things for free, having an open-door policy at a race or even to my home, and even being around for tech questions here, at a race, or on my personal cell phone...well. I'm sorry. We are a very small American company. We are growing, and can not achieve that growth without word-of-mouth advertising. I have not started a wire thread, to my knowledge, in years. My wife and I have bent over backwards for racers over and over...why? It's the right thing to do, and being an extremely small business, most times it costs us money out of our pocket. We get it. Sometimes a striving business needs to do this. It's funny how the quickest racers and their crew chiefs in the world swear by and trust a product, but there are still bashers who have never tried that product. That applies to ANY product in the marketplace. I still love you guys, and will still support the groups that are in this hobby.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 04:48 AM

Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 03:30 PM

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Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

Monte are you referring to me? When did I argue? I asked for an opinion on "Magnecor" wires, I already have Firecores. I've been chasing a pop and the plug wires are the next step. Nothing wrong with trying different stuff.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 03:39 PM

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Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

Monte are you referring to me? When did I argue? I asked for an opinion on "Magnecor" wires, I already have Firecores. I've been chasing a pop and the plug wires are the next step. Nothing wrong with trying different stuff.

I can't imagine who they are referring to, I can't see where anyone bashed Firecore at all. But I guess if you aren't in the firecore "clique" and dare to even think of another brand it is taken as an assault on "the boys"...LOL

Posted By: dannysbee

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 04:32 PM

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So, what you're saying is that they're not worth any power, correct? (That's the question I think most people want to know)...

It doesn't matter what I "think"...just looking for nonbiased facts....what's noise have to do with power on the average streetcar?...point is, Monte had a huge reply about the wires and zero talk about them being worth any measureable power....

And you wonder why people have to go to yellowbullet for advice. Guys w stupid comments like that chase the knowledgeable people away.

I agree. I have been a member here for quite sometime and have seen good members with considerable experience and knowledge run off by members that don't have a clue or never post till they are on their third six pack. I hope the good guys that still post know we appreciate the information and even if we read more than post were still out here.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 04:54 PM

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Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

Monte are you referring to me? When did I argue? I asked for an opinion on "Magnecor" wires, I already have Firecores. I've been chasing a pop and the plug wires are the next step. Nothing wrong with trying different stuff.

No sir, had nothing to do with you. There is also another Firecore thread.....My post was more or less just a comment to Rich.

Monte

Posted By: BobR

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 05:28 PM

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Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

I guess we were the only team to use Firecores and NOT LIKE THEM. Monte, you know we are a no-nonsense team and would use anything that worked. They did not work for us. We use MSD wires and we pay for them.

Posted By: B G Racing

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 05:52 PM

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Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

I guess we were the only team to use Firecores and NOT LIKE THEM. Monte, you know we are a no-nonsense team and would use anything that worked. They did not work for us. We use MSD wires and we pay for them.

Why didn't you like them and what was the issue with them?We sale and use Firecore wires and have never had an issue.Like others have commented after installing Firecore wires we found that we could increase our fuel delivery with jetting and carb calibrations increasing power.We attribute this to good consistant spark delivery.Most all wires can and do work but we choose Firecore over others for the simple fact that Rich(Sparkey)has a great product that works and his customer service is second to none.We feel it's important to support the manufactures and suppliers that support our sport and Rich steps up everytime.

Posted By: BJS racing

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 06:32 PM

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Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

Monte,

The worst part is I am with you. I don't post much here because any time I did about a car I was wiring or trying to help someone get a problem fixed there were select few that would go nutz and jump down every post I made. I have wired many cars as I know you have and although you and I may approach things differently we can both come out with the same result. And if there is an issue we are both smart enough to figure out the problem even if we go at it from two different angles. But when you post and try to help and everyone does well what just happened you tend to sit back and see what the crowd does and leave it alone even though you know you could offer some advice but advice that no one wants to hear because it isn't their's!

Rant over
Jason
BJS Racing

Posted By: BobR

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 07:24 PM

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Haters gonna hate Rich.........I don't really understand it either. People ask for opinions and then want to argue when your opinion doesn't match what they WANT TO HEAR. I personally don't care what anyone does, it's their money and they can spend it as they please on whatever they please, but my only thing is that you have to overlook the "crap" and know that some appreciate what is posted from guys with real world experience who are actually trying the help.

And I don't frequent this board much anymore, but when I do, it quickly becomes VERY apparent why I don't come here as much as I used to. I am definitely not part of the "clique" here and don't care to be. But for some, unless you are part of this little "special group", they don't want to hear anything you have to say. Guess I don't carry on enough inane chatter about nothing to be one of "the boys".......LOL!!!!

Monte

I guess we were the only team to use Firecores and NOT LIKE THEM. Monte, you know we are a no-nonsense team and would use anything that worked. They did not work for us. We use MSD wires and we pay for them.

Why didn't you like them and what was the issue with them?We sale and use Firecore wires and have never had an issue.Like others have commented after installing Firecore wires we found that we could increase our fuel delivery with jetting and carb calibrations increasing power.We attribute this to good consistant spark delivery.Most all wires can and do work but we choose Firecore over others for the simple fact that Rich(Sparkey)has a great product that works and his customer service is second to none.We feel it's important to support the manufactures and suppliers that support our sport and Rich steps up everytime.

On 2 different sets the spark plug boots split and caused misfires. The boots were 135's and they split right at the bend on the inside. This was on our SBF combo. Never had this happened with Ultra 40's or MSD wires. Now we use MSD hemi wires as once bit twice shy. I was discussing wires with Jeremy at BAE. There was a well known TAD owner in on the conversation. That guy told me to use any wire but Firecore. He said they had issues that went away when they switched brands. I guess anything can happen with any brand but we won't try them again.

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 08:11 PM

I did not take any of the posts as an attack. Everybody has their thought proocess, and if it is working, why rock the boat? The reason RobR's team, who is one of the quickest on the planet in the 10.5 class, is that they were getting RF problems. Also, it is a special boot and tube combo that we figured out for Brad Anderson Hemi Heads. It is a different tube that needs to be handled a little differently that the MSD Hemi tube system. That is fine. We are a new company, and don't have the perfect answer to every single application out there...yet..Rob's team has obviously figured out what it takes for their car to consistently win. Radio noice is a crazy animal. We've seen the same set react differently on a racecar, but something different when replaced 2 years later with a new set. That set is still on Mark Carlisle's Worlds Fastest IRS Corvette(6.82 @ 223). Why do they work on Steve Crisafulli's Twin Turbo that runs 4.12's at 194 in the 1/8th? Actually, dozens of the worlds quickest cars in numerous classes religiously trust them. Like I said, RF is a hard thing to work with.

Everyone should completely respect others decisions to try out other manufactures...with everything. Thats how we learn. The stories, results, and testimonials we receive, are from actual racers, engine builders, dyno operators, and crew chiefs. But like everything, everones results may differ. Nothing is identical, every time. Thanks. It is hard to think that over a dozen Top Fuel teams choose to buy a low-quality wire.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 10:30 PM

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It is hard to think that over a dozen Top Fuel teams choose to buy a low-quality wire.

And I didn't think anyone uses accel yellow wires anymore.

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 10:50 PM

You lost me there, Justin. Great luck. Let us know what happens. Thnaks for your past business.

Posted By: Hot 340

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/21/14 11:00 PM

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You lost me there, Justin. Great luck. Let us know what happens. Thnaks for your past business.

Off topic, you're being hunted..

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=825890

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 12:27 AM

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On 2 different sets the spark plug boots split and caused misfires. The boots were 135's and they split right at the bend on the inside. This was on our SBF combo. Never had this happened with Ultra 40's or MSD wires. Now we use MSD hemi wires as once bit twice shy. I was discussing wires with Jeremy at BAE. There was a well known TAD owner in on the conversation. That guy told me to use any wire but Firecore. He said they had issues that went away when they switched brands. I guess anything can happen with any brand but we won't try them again.

Same thing happened to me..

Boots are cheap IMO..

Went with MSD, who I hate as a company.. But I like their wires and distributors..

Chris..

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 03:12 AM

Chris, pm sent. I had zero idea of that. Please let me know. The couple problems that are happening are easily fixed. All you need to do is call and let us know. We have dozens of different types of boots. Don't the wrong boot make you think it's the wires fault. Thanks. We'll make it right for you. Do you have the same setup as Al Aguire?

Posted By: Big Squeeze

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 04:53 AM

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I don't CARE if they are worth any power..........I care that they WORK and solve the RFI issues on the cars I tune, which they do.......others don't. End of that story.

Don't care to wear my motor out on the dyno swapping wires around looking for a few HP..........waste of time. I will find a few horsepower somewhere else. I just want the wires to DO THEIR JOB, the Firecores do

Monte

Been super busy and forgot about this thread...

OK, Monte......but, 99% of the people that start up a spark plug wire thread believe and are asking if there's any power gain in switching.......You and I know that there isn't.....but like motor oil, air filters and spark plugs, there's a LOT of VOODOO hype in the advertising industry....and that stuff rubs me the wrong way...........

ANYONE who frequents this forum has heard the "these wires are so good, you'll have to jet your motor up and it'll make more power" sales pitch.......I'm not naming names and I'm NOT knocking the wires......I'm NOT saying they're bad or they don't work as good as any other quality wire......For that reason, I won't buy them...(which I'm sure won't put much of dent in their sales).......

I'm sure you'll agree, Monte, that Dave Leahy at www.electrimotion.com knows his stuff.......I've known and worked with him since I was a kid....While I was at his shop a few years ago I quizzed him about wires (knowing what he was going to say)......His response, about the wires I'm talking about, was that he'd tested them and they weren't any better than any other wire......At the time, he used MSD wires and made his own boots and may still be doing that (I hadn't thought to even ask him about that the last time I talked to him)........Dave's a no BS kinda guy.......

You know I have HUGE respect for you, Monte.....

and as you say, I'm sure they're good wires........

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 05:51 AM

Squeeze. We've got dozens of testimonials stating that fact. My gut tells me that they are not lieing. Especially the testimonial from one of the foremost knowledgable Mopar guys we all know.

Bob George
Owner of Bob George Racing

We rarely give testimonial for manufacturer�s products unless we have experienced dramatic, positive results. Our decision to become a dealer for Firecore Wires is based on such positive results.
One of our consistent Bracket cars (528 cu. Inch Hemi) that ran 9.85 was plagued with misfiring on its first pass until the plugs would clean out. We noticed that the plugs always seemed rich but when we would lean out the fuel we lost E.T.
We met Rick Gorski at a racing event who asked us to try a set of his Firecore wires on the car. The first pass did not show any improvement but, on checking the plugs we noticed they were as clean as a new set. We started to jet up and on each pass the car ran quicker. After jetting up 4 sizes we noticed some color on the plugs and the E.T. improved 2 tenths. We also eliminated the misfire on the first pass issue completely.
It is our finding that Firecore Wires were able to deliver a hotter spark with less resistance which enables an increased fuel power. We also checked the old wires and found they were within the manufacturer�s specification range. No other changes were made to this bracket car.
We thank Rick and Firecore and now recommend these wires to all our customers. We run these wires on Don Martik�s �65 Blown Alcohol Hemi Car.

I am proud of these ignition wires. They have proven themselves over and over. If they won the NHRA Championship on Matt Smith's Pro Stock Motorcycle last year, and now entrusted on all 4 of his ProStock Team Bikes, there is something to be said for the wires controlling RF and EMI issues. A Prostock Motorcyle has limited room under the bonnet, with dozens of hyper-sensitive computer sensors. I am truly sorry that some boots didn't work out for some guys. But it seems that the issues were just that. Boot problems. Thanks much. This is fun.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 07:47 AM

What did the world of racing do before Firecores were "invented" ??

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 03:10 PM

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What did the world of racing do before Firecores were "invented" ??

The cars just ran slower and they changed wires more often

Ron

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 03:24 PM

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What did the world of racing do before Firecores were "invented" ??

They ran solid core wires and didnt have all the electronics
they do now(hell most of the old cars didnt have any)

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 08:23 PM

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What did the world of racing do before Firecores were "invented" ??

Why does it seem so impossible for somebody to come up with a superior product than what is presently offered? Nobody changed their "recipe" for the newer RF sensitive data acquisition computers. Somebody needed to do it. I will continue to support the Moparts racers.

Posted By: BobR

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 08:41 PM

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What did the world of racing do before Firecores were "invented" ??

Why does it seem so impossible for somebody to come up with a superior product than what is presently offered? Nobody changed their "recipe" for the newer RF sensitive data acquisition computers. Somebody needed to do it. I will continue to support the Moparts racers.

Rich...you are a good guy. That goes a long way with me so I probably should just keep my mouth shut. If people love your product then that's good enough.

Posted By: B G Racing

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 09:15 PM

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What did the world of racing do before Firecores were "invented" ??

Why does it seem so impossible for somebody to come up with a superior product than what is presently offered? Nobody changed their "recipe" for the newer RF sensitive data acquisition computers. Somebody needed to do it. I will continue to support the Moparts racers.

Rich...you are a good guy. That goes a long way with me so I probably should just keep my mouth shut. If people love your product then that's good enough.

Bob,it's not an issue to speak up if you had a problem and no one will ever fault you for doing so,that's why I asked why you didn't like the wires and what was the problem.Rich should appreciate and imput that can help him improve his product.We had a issue with the early distributers and told Rich.He quickly researched the problem and corrected it not only that he sent me a new batch of the corrected distributers and a pickup ticket for the ones we had in stock.He even offered to reimburse me for any cost to us or our customers.He has also modified the hemi boots for the different head and valve cover applications for specific applications that we had issues with.How many can say they have had that kind of experience with a manufacture or supplier.I understand that every now and then a problem occurrs and the end user forms an opinion and has the right to voice that opinion but over all the product works for the majority of users and the they also have the right to voise their opinion.Our experience goes well beyond the product to include how well the customer service is handled.

Posted By: Crizila

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/22/14 09:35 PM

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http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm There is a lot of information there, good or bad I don't know.

I posted a while a question a while back about for opinions on Moroso Ultra 40s verses Firecore's. I hadn't made up my mind yet so I've been doing some reading. My converter should be here next week so I so I need to get off pot so to speak and order some wires. I've found some interesting stuff on wires that I didn't know, which is not surprising as there is a lot I don't know .

I'd like to thank the OP one more time, as his original post has more technical content than the rest of the posts combined - including mine.

Too bad this thread has turned in to a pissing contest - to some degree.

Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 01:02 AM

Sometimes ya just gotta wonder....

...there are a whole lot of " assumptions" about peoples expertise, character and experience here, both good and bad, but at least some good has come from this in the end.Sometimes its all about reading between the lines. With any product, whether you like it or not, if it is an attempt, or a success at advancement, regardless of make, model or actual results, it often helps the whole market. There is one thing that will never change, we all will never agree.If it werent for someone saying " no thanks", " I dont agree" , that cant happen" , I dont like the product" and on and on down the line, nothing would ever advance. A dear friend of mine, who lets say, has been quite successful in drag racing, told me about 25 years ago, " Todd, you'll hear all kinds of things from all kinds of people in racing. The one thing you need to remember is, there are idealists, and there are realists.Without one, you wouldnt have the other, and, oh yea, the racetrack never lies".....carry on....

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 02:02 AM

Todd, excellent post. I agree. I don't think anything bad came out of this post. In fact, a lot of good, I think. As a new company, we are always relying on new changes. Those changes come from feedback, good and bad. Manufactures can only improve on things if there is quick feedback and honest, brutal, and sometimes maddening criticism. It's a fact. There is a lot of experience on Moparts. Together a lot is accomplished, singularly it is nearly impossible. Thanks for all of the posts. We will try to continue to improve.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 02:10 AM

I made up my set of Ultra40's years ago and Matt bought a set of Firecores last year. We are both very happy with both sets of wires. I would probably try Firecores but my big issue is I have to get them from a dealer and pay tax, then you add in shipping costs and being an old school racer those added costs add up real quick. Where as I call Summit and pay no tax, no shipping, and they are on my door step the next day. Sooner or later the right circumstance will come by and I will probably try a set.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 02:20 AM

Thanks Crizila, I didn't intend to start a pi$$ing match. I enjoy learning and plug wires seemed to be some sort of black magic. Knowledge is power and closed minds are empty minds.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 02:58 AM

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http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm There is a lot of information there, good or bad I don't know.

I posted a while a question a while back about for opinions on Moroso Ultra 40s verses Firecore's. I hadn't made up my mind yet so I've been doing some reading.

I'd like to thank the OP one more time, as his original post has more technical content than the rest of the posts combined - including mine. Too bad this thread has turned in to a pissing contest - to some degree.

Just because everyone does not agree, it's NOT a pizzing match..

There are good opinions on this post. I've seen nothing wrong here..

I respect Monte probably more than anyone on this board, but his opinion won't change my mind here..

That's what's great about our freedom of speech in this country..

We don't always have to agree..

You can get that in Russia if you like..

Chris..

Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 03:42 AM

There's a few good wire manufacturers out there and yes they probably are pretty close in performance but service after the sale is where Firecore50 is clearly the best.
Say you were doing some work to your car and accidentally pinched a wire and it was damaged beyond repair.Could you call Moroso or MSD and have a new one in your hand in a few days?
I really don't think they would send you a single wire like you could get from Rick

Gus

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Posted By: Crizila

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 03:46 AM

Quote:

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http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm There is a lot of information there, good or bad I don't know.

I posted a while a question a while back about for opinions on Moroso Ultra 40s verses Firecore's. I hadn't made up my mind yet so I've been doing some reading.

I'd like to thank the OP one more time, as his original post has more technical content than the rest of the posts combined - including mine. Too bad this thread has turned in to a pissing contest - to some degree.

Just because everyone does not agree, it's NOT a pizzing match..

There are good opinions on this post. I've seen nothing wrong here..

I respect Monte probably more than anyone on this board, but his opinion won't change my mind here..

That's what's great about our freedom of speech in this country..

We don't always have to agree..

You can get that in Russia if you like..

Chris..

I guess "pissing match" wasn't the best explanation I could have used for threads with , IMO, very little real content past the original post.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 05:21 AM

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I don't CARE if they are worth any power..........I care that they WORK and solve the RFI issues on the cars I tune, which they do.......others don't. End of that story.

Don't care to wear my motor out on the dyno swapping wires around looking for a few HP..........waste of time. I will find a few horsepower somewhere else. I just want the wires to DO THEIR JOB, the Firecores do

Monte

Been super busy and forgot about this thread...

OK, Monte......but, 99% of the people that start up a spark plug wire thread believe and are asking if there's any power gain in switching.......You and I know that there isn't.....but like motor oil, air filters and spark plugs, there's a LOT of VOODOO hype in the advertising industry....and that stuff rubs me the wrong way...........

ANYONE who frequents this forum has heard the "these wires are so good, you'll have to jet your motor up and it'll make more power" sales pitch.......I'm not naming names and I'm NOT knocking the wires......I'm NOT saying they're bad or they don't work as good as any other quality wire......For that reason, I won't buy them...(which I'm sure won't put much of dent in their sales).......

I'm sure you'll agree, Monte, that Dave Leahy at www.electrimotion.com knows his stuff.......I've known and worked with him since I was a kid....While I was at his shop a few years ago I quizzed him about wires (knowing what he was going to say)......His response, about the wires I'm talking about, was that he'd tested them and they weren't any better than any other wire......At the time, he used MSD wires and made his own boots and may still be doing that (I hadn't thought to even ask him about that the last time I talked to him)........Dave's a no BS kinda guy.......

You know I have HUGE respect for you, Monte..... and as you say, I'm sure they're good wires........

What do you want me to say Wayne??? Yes, I know Dave Leahey, yes he is an electronic genious........but personally, I don't give a damn what he said about the wires. ALL I KNOW, is that I put the wires in question on SEVERAL EFI cars that we were having RFI issues with. No other changes and the problems went away.....Like I said, what else you want me to say. I don't know how to make it any more clear. Are they the absolute best wire in the whole world.....hell, I don't know, DON"T CARE........all I know is they work well for me.

You don't want to even try them for whatever weird reason it is you have...FINE. I sure don't care and doubt Rich does either.

Some of these posts just F*&^ing amaze me

Monte

Posted By: Big Squeeze

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 05:33 AM

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What do you want me to say Wayne??? Yes, I know Dave Leahey, yes he is an electronic genious........but personally, I don't give a damn what he said about the wires. ALL I KNOW, is that I put the wires in question on SEVERAL EFI cars that we were having RFI issues with. No other changes and the problems went away.....Like I said, what else you want me to say. I don't know how to make it any more clear. Are they the absolute best wire in the whole world.....hell, I don't know, DON"T CARE........all I know is they work well for me.

You don't want to even try them for whatever weird reason it is you have...FINE. I sure don't care and doubt Rich does either.

Some of these posts just F*&^ing amaze me

Monte

Wow...what an attitude...

For 98% of the guys on this board, RFI is NOT an issue........so if that's your main selling point, then you're on the wrong board.........

I do believe that the wires helped your customer's cars RFI issues.....so, what you COULD say is "If you think you have an RFI issue, odds are, these wire would help, but if you're wanting to buy them because you think they may be worth some power, you're looking in the wrong place..".......THAT's what I want you to say (since you asked).......

Rick sent the wires to Dave to get tested.....and Dave, the admitted "electronics genius" by you, actually DID test them and said they weren't any better than any other wire.....That's way better than Rick saying "these wires are so good you'll have to readjust your A/F because of a cleaner burn" and ALL he has to back that up is "We've got dozens of testimonials stating that fact. My gut tells me that they are not lieing.' He has done ABSOLUTELY ZERO testing to validify that but he keeps saying it over and over.......that's snake oil salesmanship........

If what he's saying were true, wouldn't you think he'd do SOME kind of testing???????

Posted By: racerx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 12:16 PM

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I made up my set of Ultra40's years ago and Matt bought a set of Firecores last year. We are both very happy with both sets of wires. I would probably try Firecores but my big issue is I have to get them from a dealer and pay tax, then you add in shipping costs and being an old school racer those added costs add up real quick. Where as I call Summit and pay no tax, no shipping, and they are on my door step the next day. Sooner or later the right circumstance will come by and I will probably try a set.

the charges do add up

why don't Jegs/Summit carry these wires

Posted By: DoubleD

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 02:48 PM

the charges do add up

why don't Jegs/Summit carry these wires

Take a look at Summits house wires - 8.5MM same Delphi wire - you just don't get the custom fit and service - but they are made from the same wire.

Personally I have used ULTRA 40's for years � but it was not until I switched to a digital ignition that I noticed and impact of RFI from the wires themselves - RFI is a much more complex discussion than ohm�s per foot � But in the end it comes down to personal knowledge and preference and what works best for your rig � the computer controlled fuel injection cars require a whole new set of rules � something companies like Delphi have extensively engineered and tested over the last 20 + years � hence the reason wires on new cars last almost the lifetime of the vehicle.

We have come a long way from the yellow jacket wires of the 60's

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 03:30 PM

Shielding is very important, even if you "think" rfi is not a concern.... just ask anyone that burned up a piston a v-10 truck motor due to crossfire that detonated a piston to an early death.... saw that at least a handfull of times back in the day.

Posted By: Crizila

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 04:28 PM

Just for everyone's info, I did pose this question to "Performance Distributors Inc" ( D.U.I. - their "live wires" ). " Can you give me the build specs on your ignition wires?" Reply: " The wire itself is 8MM spiral core and the resistance value is 300-350 ohms per foot. The spiral core is stainless steel wire wrapped around a magnetic core. Thank you." No mention of any R.F.I. protection and I have no idea who makes them for the company. Not an endorsement. Just passing along the info I got from them. Like many, no tech info on their web sight.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 04:49 PM

Since everybody is adding their 2 cents I'll add mine not that it matters

My FireCore wires are so good that I am stilling running the same set 3 years later even though I have a credit with Rick for another set. His pro mod boots are awesome.

Posted By: B G Racing

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 05:49 PM

For what it's worth the manufacture of the wires we replaced claimed their wires were not the issue and since we were using MSD componants and multiple electronic devises and an altinater that we should use a silicone/fiberglass wire sleeve over the wires to prevent high voltage leaks.The only issue we had with that is this shielding cost as much as a wire set.
No one is telling anyone who's wires to buy or who's wires are better,we are just recommending who's wires we choose and why we recommend them based on our experience which was all good.
To our friend John(pittsburghracer),stop by the shop and we will give you a set of Firecore wires to try at no cost.You try them and you will like them.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 06:17 PM

The boots are the only thing I've never liked about my Firecores.

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Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 06:19 PM

Other side.

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Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 06:28 PM

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 06:51 PM

I ordered the Magnecors today and will post some photos when I get them installed. It may be next week because I plan on running the car with the Firecores to make sure the pop is still there and the Magnecors to see if to see if it goes away.

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 07:05 PM

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that's snake oil salesmanship....

C'mon Wayne....you're better than that. That comment was uncalled for !

I've personally seen what Rick has described regarding the leaning out on a buddies car with my LM1 installed. The idle AFR leaned out when we installed a set of the 8.5's and we had to adjust the main jetting as well. The plugs stay clean now and the car runs soo much better. Going off memory we went up 2 sizes on all 4 corners....it's been awhile, can't remember for sure ?

Does that make me a snake oil salesman as well ? Was I a snake oil salesman when i promoted your supertuning video on another website. I hope not because that link is still stickied and when members open up that subforum the link to your product is right at the top of page 1.

I bought your CD and reviewed it....then recommended it to the members because i felt it was an excellent learning tool and still is. I feel the same about the Firecore product and hundreds of members who've purchased them report excellent results. My own personal experience with Firecore made me a believer. My current set is 5yrs old and still going strong.

It's unfortunate that a few who have had some bad issues with split plug boots are quick to condemn the product as a whole. There are better boots available now than in the past and Rick is allways willing to update as needed. You can't beat the customer service and willingness to bend over backwards.

The high HP power adder guys on the bullet have been very pleased with their results using FireCore 50 wires. I think their "testimonials" count for something...don't you ?

Personally, i don't have a problem with anyone voicing their opinion on a product but when insults are thrown around that's a little over the top for me.

Ron

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 08:12 PM

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For what it's worth the manufacture of the wires we replaced claimed their wires were not the issue and since we were using MSD componants and multiple electronic devises and an altinater that we should use a silicone/fiberglass wire sleeve over the wires to prevent high voltage leaks.The only issue we had with that is this shielding cost as much as a wire set.
No one is telling anyone who's wires to buy or who's wires are better,we are just recommending who's wires we choose and why we recommend them based on our experience which was all good.
To our friend John(pittsburghracer),stop by the shop and we will give you a set of Firecore wires to try at no cost.You try them and you will like them.

Thanks Bob for the generous offer but as stated I have had some great results with the Ultra's. My current set is on its third engine and I down-load info from my Racepak weekly and really study the readouts. I may try Matts set of Firecore's down the road to see the results but when I find a product I like I kinda ride the wave. Heck I have been an Autolite spark plug user for 38 years. I do appreciate the offer Bob and once again I thank-you.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 08:57 PM

Do the firecores come with upsized jets ?

Do you have to give your jet size when you order so they can send one's that are 4 sizes bigger ?

Or is that only with the Bob George Racing Editions ?

If not, it might be a value added combo they could offer

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:04 PM

Quote:

Do the firecores come with upsized jets ?

Do you have to give your jet size when you order so they can send one's that are 4 sizes bigger ?

Or is that only with the Bob George Racing Editions ?

If not, it might be a value added combo they could offer

What is your problem... if you dont want to use them... DONT

Posted By: B G Racing

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:10 PM

Quote:

Do the firecores come with upsized jets ?

Do you have to give your jet size when you order so they can send one's that are 4 sizes bigger ?

Or is that only with the Bob George Racing Editions ?

If not, it might be a value added combo they could offer

So Mr.Bill Dewing "AKA" Fred Engelharts"Back Door Man"What BS do you have to contribute?Or you just here to run your mouth?
Please inform everone on your expertise and your constructive contributions to the sport.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Do the firecores come with upsized jets ?

Do you have to give your jet size when you order so they can send one's that are 4 sizes bigger ?

Or is that only with the Bob George Racing Editions ?

If not, it might be a value added combo they could offer

What is your problem... if you dont want to use them... DONT

If you don't have the answers to the legitimate questions, why respond ?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:13 PM

Quote:

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Do the firecores come with upsized jets ?

Do you have to give your jet size when you order so they can send one's that are 4 sizes bigger ?

Or is that only with the Bob George Racing Editions ?

If not, it might be a value added combo they could offer

So Mr.Bill Dewing "AKA" Fred Engelharts"Back Door Man"What BS do you have to contribute?Or you just here to run your mouth?
Please inform everone on your expertise and your constructive contributions to the sport.

Classy as always....yet no answers to legitimate questions.....do you need ones jet sizes when they order from you, so you can send them 4 sizes bigger ? Simple question.....perhaps read it over a few times ?

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:16 PM

Quote:

Quote:

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Do the firecores come with upsized jets ?

Do you have to give your jet size when you order so they can send one's that are 4 sizes bigger ?

Or is that only with the Bob George Racing Editions ?

If not, it might be a value added combo they could offer

What is your problem... if you dont want to use them... DONT

If you don't have the answers to the legitimate questions, why respond ?

For some BS snide question... yeah right... you probably
wouldnt have been jetted right in the first place so MAYBE
it would have worked for you without jetting

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:26 PM

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Quote:

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Do the firecores come with upsized jets ?

Do you have to give your jet size when you order so they can send one's that are 4 sizes bigger ?

Or is that only with the Bob George Racing Editions ?

If not, it might be a value added combo they could offer

What is your problem... if you dont want to use them... DONT

If you don't have the answers to the legitimate questions, why respond ?

For some BS snide question... yeah right... you probably
wouldnt have been jetted right in the first place so MAYBE
it would have worked for you without jetting

Perhaps you should tell Bob George he wasn't jetted right....he is the one claiming he had to go up 4 jet sizes and picked up 2 tenths....

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:28 PM

I'm just here, like many others, trying to get educated on plug wires, and to sort through any possible hype....and asking questions is part of it....

Posted By: tboomer

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 09:46 PM

I have them on my car. Bought them from Az.Nick on the board here. I have no complaints. I always try to support board sponsors when I can. It helps the board and the sponsor gets to put a meal on his table. Some people just love to jump into threads to stir the crap.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 10:07 PM

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I have them on my car. Bought them from Az.Nick on the board here. I have no complaints. I always try to support board sponsors when I can. It helps the board and the sponsor gets to put a meal on his table. Some people just love to jump into threads to stir the crap.

Hey Ted, just wondering if you had to jet 4 sizes up and if you picked up 2 tenths ?

I suppose your new Challenger doesn't have plug wires....did you buy a Brand New One ? or slightly used ? Congrats either way

Posted By: tboomer

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 10:14 PM

I can't remember much after I had that brain hemorage last year. Yes...The Challenger is new. It came from Wilcox in Forest Lake. The engine did run smoother with the Firecores over the MSD wires they replaced. Thank you for asking.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 10:25 PM

Perhaps you should tell Bob George he wasn't jetted right....he is the one claiming he had to go up 4 jet sizes and picked up 2 tenths....

Its a plug wire company... why would he sell jets

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 10:48 PM

Guys please take the BS somewhere else.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 10:59 PM

Quote:

Guys please take the BS somewhere else.

Believe me I didnt want to get involved with the BS
but the questions(if real) werent needed

Posted By: B G Racing

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 11:05 PM

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I'm just here, like many others, trying to get educated on plug wires, and to sort through any possible hype....and asking questions is part of it....

No your not,your just trying to take a cheap shot at me when you think you may have someone that may disagree with me and might back your futile attempt to discredit me.Anyone who knows you or recalls any of your past post knows you have nothing to contribute only crap talk with your fingers.I welcome you to continue your BS so that everyone can see your true character.

Buy the way did your buddy get everyone the titles to their cars and did he pay back all the people he scammed that he promised he would?Your not worthy of any attention,but since you decided to poke your head from under that rock you have been hiding under we will give you your few minutes of fame.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/23/14 11:57 PM

Some of these comments make me sad I am a mopar owner and part of this community.

Posted By: RapidusMaximus

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/24/14 01:31 AM

So, I'll try and bring some civility back to this thread......I will be running Firecores on my GTX when the restoration is finished, why? Because he is a small business operator, produces a good product at a fair price and is a Mopar guy, pretty simple reasons I guess. I bracket raced for nearly 30 years and ran the best efi protected wires I could get my hands on for the last 15 after I started having "weird" reaction time issues...yes I ran every electronic device possible...if I known Firecores existed back then I would run them...so I will try them now on my MSD fired street car

Posted By: D-50

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/24/14 02:25 AM

Year before last I was running the cheapest set that Autozone sales, I think they were only $16.00 a set,I was not having any issues with them. I upgraded to the MSD 8.5 wires and nothing changed, maybe better boots. When I need another set I will probably try some of the Firecores. I was running low 6.40's at the time.

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Posted By: AndyF

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/24/14 04:22 AM

I've been running the Firecores for a long time now. They work great and the customer service is always top notch. No reason for me to try anything else.

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Posted By: Big Squeeze

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/24/14 04:47 AM

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that's snake oil salesmanship....

C'mon Wayne....you're better than that. That comment was uncalled for !

I've personally seen what Rick has described regarding the leaning out on a buddies car with my LM1 installed. The idle AFR leaned out when we installed a set of the 8.5's and we had to adjust the main jetting as well. The plugs stay clean now and the car runs soo much better. Going off memory we went up 2 sizes on all 4 corners....it's been awhile, can't remember for sure ?

Does that make me a snake oil salesman as well ? Was I a snake oil salesman when i promoted your supertuning video on another website. I hope not because that link is still stickied and when members open up that subforum the link to your product is right at the top of page 1.

I bought your CD and reviewed it....then recommended it to the members because i felt it was an excellent learning tool and still is. I feel the same about the Firecore product and hundreds of members who've purchased them report excellent results. My own personal experience with Firecore made me a believer. My current set is 5yrs old and still going strong.

It's unfortunate that a few who have had some bad issues with split plug boots are quick to condemn the product as a whole. There are better boots available now than in the past and Rick is allways willing to update as needed. You can't beat the customer service and willingness to bend over backwards.

The high HP power adder guys on the bullet have been very pleased with their results using FireCore 50 wires. I think their "testimonials" count for something...don't you ?

Personally, i don't have a problem with anyone voicing their opinion on a product but when insults are thrown around that's a little over the top for me.

Ron

Ron, you're a great guy, and I THANK you for helping me promote my DVD...

It blows me away that a plug wire company can continually make claims like that but has no real, solid proof...and still has done absolutely nothing to prove (or even disprove) that claim...

Like I said...I'm sure they're as good as any other wire...prolly even better at most at keeping RFI down...and customer service is really good too...but claims without backup and just a "gut feeling" just makes no sense to me...

If they could prove that, Hot Rod would be all over it...

If you ask anyone that's run them on a Dyno, the most they claim is 1hp, which would be pretty hard to quantify...2-4 jet numbers should result in more HP than that...that's at least .5 to one full point A/F change....

I'd try a set to see if the A/F changes, but I'm pretty sure I know what'll happen so I'm not spending the money...

What kind of wires were on your buddy's car? We're they worn out? I've swapped wires before and made cars run better too...

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/24/14 05:15 PM

Here is the point Wayne.........They DO NOT guarantee that WILL happen, but that it COULD happen. So what seems to be your issue with a company making a claim that others have stated actually happened.

Monte

Posted By: BradH

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/24/14 07:27 PM

Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Posted By: Crizila

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/24/14 08:54 PM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

I almost answered that until I saw the little icon guy with his eyes rolling around.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/25/14 06:05 AM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

Monte

Posted By: BradH

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/25/14 07:54 PM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

So true...

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/26/14 01:12 AM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

Monte

wait a minute now, you in for a good pinion angle thread?

I can teach you, even have pics

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/26/14 01:36 AM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

Monte

wait a minute now, you in for a good pinion angle thread? I can teach you, even have pics

Tony I could use a refresher course.

Posted By: jim sciortino

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/26/14 01:53 AM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

Monte

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/26/14 05:31 AM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

Monte

wait a minute now, you in for a good pinion angle thread? I can teach you, even have pics

Yeah but your pics are useless.......I have a RACE car, not something I want the joints to last 100k in......LOL!!!

Posted By: Sport440

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/26/14 06:01 AM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

Monte

wait a minute now, you in for a good pinion angle thread? I can teach you, even have pics

Yeah but your pics are useless.......I have a RACE car, not something I want the joints to last 100k in......LOL!!!

Hey now, we now have Vids of pinion angle differences to view on moparts

Vids not Pics.

This Wire thread is getting boring. I suggest we switch to a Pinion angle debate with the Vids VS the PICS.

The 509, no, Lets jump to the MP 590, great cam.

Posted By: Crizila

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/27/14 02:15 AM

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Wow... over 100 posts on a spark plug wire thread.

And who says there's no tech on Moparts anymore!

Why not.........at least it is not a pinion angle or 509 cam thread

Monte

wait a minute now, you in for a good pinion angle thread? I can teach you, even have pics

Yeah but your pics are useless.......I have a RACE car, not something I want the joints to last 100k in......LOL!!!

Hey now, we now have Vids of pinion angle differences to view on moparts Vids not Pics.

This Wire thread is getting boring. I suggest we switch to a Pinion angle debate with the Vids VS the PICS.

The 509, no, Lets jump to the MP 590, great cam.

We've already done the pinion angle thing ( and the pics are wrong ) and the MP590 thing ( that debate is older than that cam is.) How about arguing about

which color reflects heat best - or - which color absorbs heat best?

Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/27/14 02:23 AM

This thread in a nutshell......

Rickster

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/27/14 03:07 AM

We never figured out if a plane could take off on a running treadmill.

I think of course.

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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/27/14 04:29 AM

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We never figured out if a plane could take off on a running treadmill. I think of course.

only if the treadmill is as long as a runway

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/27/14 05:42 AM

The buzzards have arrived.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/27/14 06:06 AM

The new wires arrived today, I like the boots on the plugs. Don't think they're be any problem with them getting together. It'll be at least three weeks before I can get to the track, so I'll report back then.

Posted By: HemiDart68

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/30/14 07:55 PM

My issue with most of the posts is this. If a company or its dealers are going to broadcast results from a test to aid in the sale of a product the test needs to be fair and standardized. Replacing old worn out brand x wires with new brand y wires and seeing an improvement proves NOTHING. It is not a fair test of performance. Now if one did back to back tests in the same conditions, changing only from brand x new wires to brand y new wires then one could use those results to show improvement. This is where some of the testimonials written would get dismissed or questioned.

Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: ANyone tried these plug wires? - 04/30/14 08:46 PM

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My issue with most of the posts is this. If a company or its dealers are going to broadcast results from a test to aid in the sale of a product the test needs to be fair and standardized. Replacing old worn out brand x wires with new brand y wires and seeing an improvement proves NOTHING. It is not a fair test of performance. Now if one did back to back tests in the same conditions, changing only from brand x new wires to brand y new wires then one could use those results to show improvement. This is where some of the testimonials written would get dismissed or questioned.

While I agree with the points you make about going from a bad set of wires to a new set of good wires I must make the point about how the wires fit and that positive "snap" you get when you push the terminals down on the plugs and cap. This feature and the fact that you can get them custom fit for your particular distributor, valve, cover, headers is a big plus and the main reason to go with Firecore50

Gus

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