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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: roadhazard]
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02/08/15 01:10 PM
02/08/15 01:10 PM
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Chad Bittle
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Car looks sweet!
You have not lived until you make a set of headers for that thing 
lol, I was looking at that yesterday. I think dad is going to donate a set of old headers we can chop up and kinda of make a template so to speak to bend tubes for the good ones. I'm not excited lol.
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: Chad Bittle]
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02/08/15 01:31 PM
02/08/15 01:31 PM
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Car looks sweet!
You have not lived until you make a set of headers for that thing
lol, I was looking at that yesterday. I think dad is going to donate a set of old headers we can chop up and kinda of make a template so to speak to bend tubes for the good ones. I'm not excited lol.
Dont let the headers worry you... its like doing a
puzzle... hope you like puzzles.. LOL.. once I get
home next month send me a PM and I'll run your engine
specs through my header program so you know what size
and lengths of the primaries and the collectors...
chassis cars arent bad at all.... on the door bars
its the bends that wont fly... try it for cert.. at
least you can cut them out fairly easy... I have a
bend in my side bars on the Rampage BUT I'm not gonna
cert it being its a 10.0 car.. I cant drive faster
than 10.0... I am still thinking of welding in a
angle tube from the bend down to the base of the main hoop
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: Chad Bittle]
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02/08/15 01:33 PM
02/08/15 01:33 PM
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Thank you I guess I don't see where I went wrong. Read the description of 'door bar' on the article you gave me, and tell me where we went wrong?? 
It is a perception thing and every tech guy I have had to work with has had their own interpretation on things.
But the bends are nowhere near as strong as a straight tube or X brace and it is going to raise an eyebrow.......I'd bet on it.
I am certainly not the final word on this , and it will definitely depend on the track and event where you are looking to run.
I might float it past your local tech inspector for an opinion before you get the interior done just to see how deep the water is.
You could probably email a pic to them.
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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02/08/15 02:48 PM
02/08/15 02:48 PM
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Chad Bittle
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Car looks sweet!
You have not lived until you make a set of headers for that thing
lol, I was looking at that yesterday. I think dad is going to donate a set of old headers we can chop up and kinda of make a template so to speak to bend tubes for the good ones. I'm not excited lol.
Dont let the headers worry you... its like doing a
puzzle... hope you like puzzles.. LOL.. once I get
home next month send me a PM and I'll run your engine
specs through my header program so you know what size
and lengths of the primaries and the collectors...
chassis cars arent bad at all.... on the door bars
its the bends that wont fly... try it for cert.. at
least you can cut them out fairly easy... I have a
bend in my side bars on the Rampage BUT I'm not gonna
cert it being its a 10.0 car.. I cant drive faster
than 10.0... I am still thinking of welding in a
angle tube from the bend down to the base of the main hoop
Ok, will do. Thank you.
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: FastmOp]
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02/08/15 02:52 PM
02/08/15 02:52 PM
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Chad Bittle
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Won't be long now!
What's the plan for the motor?
cast 440, cast heads, 590 cam, ross pistons, m1 intake, and probably 850 carb, just to get the thing rolling. That motor motivated dads 72 Challenger to 10.50's before he took it out, so we're going to see how it does while I save up to build a 451....I think.
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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02/08/15 02:54 PM
02/08/15 02:54 PM
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I texted a couple people and you guys are correct, the way things are going I won't want to stay at 10-11 second et's for long so I guess I'll be making new door bars....just wanted it to be easier to get in and I'm not putting swingouts in there lol. So thanks quick, tubtar and mr p body for saying something.
If you do it like mine are BUT put the brace tube
in from the bend to the base of the main hoop it will
be legal and pass cert
Ok, so how much of an angle do you think I can get away with?  In your opinion of course.
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: Chad Bittle]
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02/08/15 02:59 PM
02/08/15 02:59 PM
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Thanks, quick. It's s 95 Dodge Avenger, bought it for 500 bucks off craigslist and started tearing it apart. Didn't know how to stick two pieces of metal together when I started about 3-4 years ago. I know its not $hit compared to some and there are a thousand things I'd do different now that I've built one. What a humbling experience lol. And my father probably deserves an award for his patience, I've learned a lot 
i remember now, you have learned a lot and done one heck of a job
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: Chad Bittle]
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02/08/15 03:06 PM
02/08/15 03:06 PM
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I texted a couple people and you guys are correct, the way things are going I won't want to stay at 10-11 second et's for long so I guess I'll be making new door bars....just wanted it to be easier to get in and I'm not putting swingouts in there lol. So thanks quick, tubtar and mr p body for saying something.
If you do it like mine are BUT put the brace tube
in from the bend to the base of the main hoop it will
be legal and pass cert
Ok, so how much of an angle do you think I can get away with? In your opinion of course.
the bar has to fit the driver. with driver in seat and arms down it has to pass between the shoulder and elbow with no bends, if you are trying for an 8.50 cert which I would suggest you will need an X brace. build the bars as low as possible and it shouldn't be a problem getting in and out with a removable steering wheel. my arrow is smaller than yours and I can get my fat ass in and out pretty easy.
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: Chad Bittle]
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02/08/15 03:09 PM
02/08/15 03:09 PM
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MR_P_BODY
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I texted a couple people and you guys are correct, the way things are going I won't want to stay at 10-11 second et's for long so I guess I'll be making new door bars....just wanted it to be easier to get in and I'm not putting swingouts in there lol. So thanks quick, tubtar and mr p body for saying something.
If you do it like mine are BUT put the brace tube
in from the bend to the base of the main hoop it will
be legal and pass cert
Ok, so how much of an angle do you think I can get away with? In your opinion of course.
For strength purposes you would want it straight..
I have heard you can go up to 30*... but I wouldnt
bet on it... if you put a single bend in it and put
the brace tube in it will triangulate it.. thats the
magic word in chassis building... so if there is a
bend you need to reenforce the back of it to another
intersection point
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: CHAPPER]
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02/08/15 03:18 PM
02/08/15 03:18 PM
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Chad Bittle
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Thanks
I ran across this thread this morning and wondered how I had missed it. I looked at the start date and knew. I was in the hospital getting a new hip April 14 2014. I didn't get on here much for awhile. Car looks good and very nice work. You and Walt have fun!!
Hope you get to see it out this year haha. Thanks
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Re: Finally have the car on the ground...
[Re: Chad Bittle]
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02/08/15 03:18 PM
02/08/15 03:18 PM
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You can see here how the brace tube is... this as you see it here certed to 7.50.. they changed the rules 3 years later and it only certed to 8.50.. it will cert with a single bend IF it has the brace
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