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Thank you I guess I don't see where I went wrong. Read the description of 'door bar' on the article you gave me, and tell me where we went wrong??

It is a perception thing and every tech guy I have had to work with has had their own interpretation on things.
But the bends are nowhere near as strong as a straight tube or X brace and it is going to raise an eyebrow.......I'd bet on it.
I am certainly not the final word on this , and it will definitely depend on the track and event where you are looking to run.
I might float it past your local tech inspector for an opinion before you get the interior done just to see how deep the water is.
You could probably email a pic to them.

I texted a couple people and you guys are correct, the way things are going I won't want to stay at 10-11 second et's for long so I guess I'll be making new door bars....just wanted it to be easier to get in and I'm not putting swingouts in there lol. So thanks quick, tubtar and mr p body for saying something.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 06:50 PM

If you do it like mine are BUT put the brace tube
in from the bend to the base of the main hoop it will
be legal and pass cert

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 06:52 PM

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Won't be long now!
What's the plan for the motor?

cast 440, cast heads, 590 cam, ross pistons, m1 intake, and probably 850 carb, just to get the thing rolling. That motor motivated dads 72 Challenger to 10.50's before he took it out, so we're going to see how it does while I save up to build a 451....I think.

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 06:54 PM

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I texted a couple people and you guys are correct, the way things are going I won't want to stay at 10-11 second et's for long so I guess I'll be making new door bars....just wanted it to be easier to get in and I'm not putting swingouts in there lol. So thanks quick, tubtar and mr p body for saying something.

If you do it like mine are BUT put the brace tube
in from the bend to the base of the main hoop it will
be legal and pass cert

Ok, so how much of an angle do you think I can get away with?

In your opinion of course.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 06:59 PM

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Thanks, quick. It's s 95 Dodge Avenger, bought it for 500 bucks off craigslist and started tearing it apart. Didn't know how to stick two pieces of metal together when I started about 3-4 years ago. I know its not $hit compared to some and there are a thousand things I'd do different now that I've built one. What a humbling experience lol. And my father probably deserves an award for his patience, I've learned a lot

i remember now, you have learned a lot and done one heck of a job

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 07:06 PM

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I texted a couple people and you guys are correct, the way things are going I won't want to stay at 10-11 second et's for long so I guess I'll be making new door bars....just wanted it to be easier to get in and I'm not putting swingouts in there lol. So thanks quick, tubtar and mr p body for saying something.

If you do it like mine are BUT put the brace tube
in from the bend to the base of the main hoop it will
be legal and pass cert

Ok, so how much of an angle do you think I can get away with?

In your opinion of course.

the bar has to fit the driver. with driver in seat and arms down it has to pass between the shoulder and elbow with no bends, if you are trying for an 8.50 cert which I would suggest you will need an X brace. build the bars as low as possible and it shouldn't be a problem getting in and out with a removable steering wheel. my arrow is smaller than yours and I can get my fat ass in and out pretty easy.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 07:09 PM

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I texted a couple people and you guys are correct, the way things are going I won't want to stay at 10-11 second et's for long so I guess I'll be making new door bars....just wanted it to be easier to get in and I'm not putting swingouts in there lol. So thanks quick, tubtar and mr p body for saying something.

If you do it like mine are BUT put the brace tube
in from the bend to the base of the main hoop it will
be legal and pass cert

Ok, so how much of an angle do you think I can get away with?

In your opinion of course.

For strength purposes you would want it straight..
I have heard you can go up to 30*... but I wouldnt
bet on it... if you put a single bend in it and put
the brace tube in it will triangulate it.. thats the
magic word in chassis building... so if there is a
bend you need to reenforce the back of it to another
intersection point

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 07:13 PM

I wouldn't put a bend in a serious race car, as fast as you may end up going it's just not safe imo. maybe you can see how low mine is.have your seat as low as possible. I didn't build this one but who ever did done a great job.

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 07:18 PM

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Thanks

I ran across this thread this morning and wondered how I had missed it. I looked at the start date and knew. I was in the hospital getting a new hip April 14 2014. I didn't get on here much for awhile. Car looks good and very nice work. You and Walt have fun!!

Hope you get to see it out this year haha. Thanks

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 07:18 PM

You can see here how the brace tube is... this as you
see it here certed to 7.50.. they changed the rules
3 years later and it only certed to 8.50.. it will cert
with a single bend IF it has the brace

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 07:35 PM

Ok, off to do some work. Thanks for all the info and pics, fellas

I owe ya a drink

Posted By: 340RICK

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/08/15 11:35 PM

Looks great Chad and Walt

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 12:25 AM

I have them bent and it passes tech and is certed to 8.50

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Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 12:37 AM

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I have them bent and it passes tech and is certed to 8.50

if you lower the attaching point you wouldn't need a bend

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 01:09 AM

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I have them bent and it passes tech and is certed to 8.50

if you lower the attaching point you wouldn't need a bend

The bend is to clear my factory door handles, so to miss those it would have been at the bottom of my elbow.

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 02:05 AM

Well this is what I've got. By the book but rubs the seat more then I'd like, oh well.

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Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 02:07 AM

Finished the back half while we were at it.

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Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 02:07 AM

that seat sets up pretty high. if you are going to X brace make sure the other bar is low. with a removable steering wheel you should be good.

Posted By: ProSport

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 04:16 AM

My 8.50 cage had some bends in it. It was built a long time ago though.

Looks great so far Chad! That's gonna be a great car. Keep your eyes peeled for a stroker kit, my Duster motor is street only, but it's 500" just because I found someone selling a complete stroker kit brand new for $1500, it had an Eagle crank, Eagle Rods, JE flat top pistons. I used my stock main caps with a 440Source main girdle. I wanted alot of torque so I could run a tight converter and 3.55 gears.

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Posted By: wyoming

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 04:49 AM

Car looks real good Chad, keep plugging away at it, what you done looks really nice.

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 05:02 AM

Looks awesome

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 06:14 AM

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Well this is what I've got. By the book but rubs the seat more then I'd like, oh well.

Chad.. thats a nice seat.. what is it(brand name) and
how wide is it..I'd like to replace my stock seats
in my Rampage but I want a sport style seat like that

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 12:34 PM

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My 8.50 cage had some bends in it. It was built a long time ago though.

Looks great so far Chad! That's gonna be a great car. Keep your eyes peeled for a stroker kit, my Duster motor is street only, but it's 500" just because I found someone selling a complete stroker kit brand new for $1500, it had an Eagle crank, Eagle Rods, JE flat top pistons. I used my stock main caps with a 440Source main girdle. I wanted alot of torque so I could run a tight converter and 3.55 gears.

Thanks and will do. We have a few 440 and 400 blocks, thanks for the heads up. You gonna be back out this year?

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 12:35 PM

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Car looks real good Chad, keep plugging away at it, what you done looks really nice.

Thank you...slowly but surely

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 12:49 PM

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Looks awesome

Thank you

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 12:52 PM

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Well this is what I've got. By the book but rubs the seat more then I'd like, oh well.

Chad.. thats a nice seat.. what is it(brand name) and
how wide is it..I'd like to replace my stock seats
in my Rampage but I want a sport style seat like that

It's a Jegs sportsman seat, surprisingly comfortable and they were $120 a piece. I'm not sure if it gives measurements or not on the site but I'll be back out there Saturday and let ya know.

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/09/15 12:58 PM

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that seat sets up pretty high. if you are going to X brace make sure the other bar is low. with a removable steering wheel you should be good.

Yes it is, but that's as low as we could get it. The frame rail is about 3/16away from the handle underneath the seat to slide it back and forth. Just thick bottoms, wanted kirkey seats but I won't have that much in the motor lol

Posted By: ProSport

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/10/15 03:35 AM

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My 8.50 cage had some bends in it. It was built a long time ago though.

Looks great so far Chad! That's gonna be a great car. Keep your eyes peeled for a stroker kit, my Duster motor is street only, but it's 500" just because I found someone selling a complete stroker kit brand new for $1500, it had an Eagle crank, Eagle Rods, JE flat top pistons. I used my stock main caps with a 440Source main girdle. I wanted alot of torque so I could run a tight converter and 3.55 gears.

Thanks and will do. We have a few 440 and 400 blocks, thanks for the heads up. You gonna be back out this year?

No I kinda retired from racing, might get back into it when my son is done with schooling and travel sports. My Duster is almost done, already drove it several times. Just a 600HP street cruiser with no cage or tubs, pump gas with comfy seats lol.

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Posted By: FastmOp

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/10/15 08:37 PM

Got any more pics?

You know I like Avengers

Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/11/15 02:58 AM

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Got any more pics?

You know I like Avengers

That's really all of the good ones. No hood yet, putting the motor and trans in for good this weekend. Floor, trans tunnel and firewall after that

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Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/11/15 03:17 AM

Dads idea to put tubs in to fit anything lol. You know in the name of going faster later down the road.

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Posted By: Chad Bittle

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/11/15 03:23 AM

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Finally have the car on the ground... - 02/11/15 03:33 AM

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Dads idea to put tubs in to fit anything lol. You know in the name of going faster later down the road.

Your Dad was right.. tubs are the only way to go on
a car like this... sooner or later your gonna pick up
the pace and need more tire

Finally have the car on the ground...