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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: krisiesmopes]
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03/31/14 04:21 PM
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BigMoneyLewis
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It takes years of knowledge to be able to spot fake tags in some cases, and every year, model ,assembly plant etc. will have certain characteristics that are unique . Their is no way to answer your question,it would take several thousand pages to do so .
My best advice, educate yourself on how to decode, know how each plant and model year tag should be laid out , become familiar with what codes belong on any given tag , and in what order etc.
Sometimes they stand out like a soar thumb , othertimes, not so much .
Greg
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: krisiesmopes]
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03/31/14 04:42 PM
03/31/14 04:42 PM
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Dreaming of the 808
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Well, I have been involved for many years, and have parted about 200 Mopars... I even have a pretty big collection of tags around. I have looked at the ones people say are fake, and it seems the ridge is more squared off in some cases. Curious if there are some with specific font problems, or a thinner/thicker material.. on an on. thousands of pages? get at 'er, it's not like we will use up the internet...seems to me this would be good info to have available.
No, exposing the flaws in fake tags will only help the crooks perfect their trade
69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry
69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd
69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto
37 Plymouth PU
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: krisiesmopes]
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03/31/14 04:43 PM
03/31/14 04:43 PM
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The problem here is that if we put out all the info on what makes a fake tag easy to spot it would just make it easier for the bogus tag artist to get it closer to right. The last thing we need is make a better time of it for them.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: krisiesmopes]
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03/31/14 09:04 PM
03/31/14 09:04 PM
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.... thousands of pages? get at 'er, it's not like we will use up the internet...seems to me this would be good info to have available.
Welllll.....
consider what was coded, when it was coded during the year and even where something was coded on the tag changed. Then take that times the number of plants in production times three just to cover early, mid and late production then take that times the number of years you want to cover.
Consider you will have to at least discuss the different tag layouts used during those years as context and which plants used them.
You'll have to touch on what SO/VON numbers are and put them in context and discuss which other factors on the tag triggered a certain VON.
You'll have to talk about fonts, screws, rivets and paper clips, bent or unbent, painted or not painted, punches and stamps.
You'll have to find people well versed in each year and plant under consideration and get their input. You'll have to review thousands of original tags from each plant to establish baseline differences then, maybe, find fake tags you can use for comparison.
A 1,000 pages might be a good start to a very boring topic that, in the end, only helps fake tag makers make better fake tags.
Seeking:
1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs.
Over 2,000 thanks to you!
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: krisiesmopes]
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03/31/14 09:28 PM
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That makes a lot of sense, never thought of it that way.
But,if you have an original tag,you have what you need for reference. 
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: 69CoronetRT]
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03/31/14 09:36 PM
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.... thousands of pages? get at 'er, it's not like we will use up the internet...seems to me this would be good info to have available.
Welllll.....
consider what was coded, when it was coded during the year and even where something was coded on the tag changed. Then take that times the number of plants in production times three just to cover early, mid and late production then take that times the number of years you want to cover.
Consider you will have to at least discuss the different tag layouts used during those years as context and which plants used them.
You'll have to touch on what SO/VON numbers are and put them in context and discuss which other factors on the tag triggered a certain VON.
You'll have to talk about fonts, screws, rivets and paper clips, bent or unbent, painted or not painted, punches and stamps.
You'll have to find people well versed in each year and plant under consideration and get their input. You'll have to review thousands of original tags from each plant to establish baseline differences then, maybe, find fake tags you can use for comparison.
A 1,000 pages might be a good start to a very boring topic that, in the end, only helps fake tag makers make better fake tags.
haha, so, if I am interested in a reasonably high dollar car, take a pic of the tag, post it here, and...lol.
Seriously though, in the past I never gave it much thought, it was not an issue. But, as I head toward the possibility of getting a "higher end" car, I have considered the possibility of fakes/clones.
Whatever it is, it is getting driven hard, regardless of what the tag says.
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: 69CoronetRT]
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03/31/14 10:26 PM
03/31/14 10:26 PM
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.... thousands of pages? get at 'er, it's not like we will use up the internet...seems to me this would be good info to have available.
Welllll.....
consider what was coded, when it was coded during the year and even where something was coded on the tag changed. Then take that times the number of plants in production times three just to cover early, mid and late production then take that times the number of years you want to cover.
Consider you will have to at least discuss the different tag layouts used during those years as context and which plants used them.
You'll have to touch on what SO/VON numbers are and put them in context and discuss which other factors on the tag triggered a certain VON.
You'll have to talk about fonts, screws, rivets and paper clips, bent or unbent, painted or not painted, punches and stamps.
You'll have to find people well versed in each year and plant under consideration and get their input. You'll have to review thousands of original tags from each plant to establish baseline differences then, maybe, find fake tags you can use for comparison.
A 1,000 pages might be a good start to a very boring topic that, in the end, only helps fake tag makers make better fake tags.
And there you have the short or "Readers Digest" version of how to spot a fake fender tag. Now if only we could do the same for a Monroney Label/Window Sticker which should hold more of the truth of how the car left the assembly plant than any fender tag or broadcast sheet but few question it or the reproduction of one
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: 6PakBee]
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04/01/14 08:56 AM
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Keep the original to prove it's correct. The fake comes more from people making a car something it's not or someone guessing at what should be on it. Unfortunately they all fit into the same category but the back up softens the blow.
Careful, your character's showing!
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: 6PakBee]
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04/01/14 12:56 PM
04/01/14 12:56 PM
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Anybody mind if we use the term 'reproduction' rather than 'fake'? I have the tag from my '67 GTX but it is barely legible (rusted). I would like to get a 'reproduction' of it. You all make it sound like this would be a bad thing. 
Or how about COO......Copy of Original or DOO....Duplicate of Original
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: serano]
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04/01/14 01:19 PM
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Rino-is correct!I can have all the documentation required but that one self proclaimed "expert" can and will brand me and my car as fake,and most will accept the"expert"as genius
No one is ever going to take the “opinion” of an internet forum member “expert” as to the correctness or validity of someone’s car. Maybe some lowly restored car that has more than a fender tag issue but if it doesn't match the fender tag than maybe it isn't what it is being stated to be. If you have all of the documentation to back up the reproduction fender tag then no matter what an internet forum "expert" or experts say it won't matter. Look at all of the high dollar cars that have suspicious backgrounds that there have been pages and pages of internet discussion (re;  ) about that unless the Guru says it's not what it's claimed to be is what the owner says it is.
I wouldn't worry about what someone on here says about the tag.......unless it is a fake 
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Most of the time they are right, but not all the time. And think what these "experts" do to poor guy who has a real tag, but now it is out there on the internet that the car has issues... 
