Quote:

---

He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.

---

Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.

---

If you dont like the facts then..... tooo bad

---

If you start messing with a493demon....Your messing with the whole dam trailer park!!!!....

---

whats shakin eddie?

---

Quote:

---

All this is why....this is MOPARTS.,

Is 75.00 really that much to a bunch of grown men???

Josh, do me a favor...KEEP MY $75.00 as a donation, this way you can afford to keep putting on these races. You have given me enough already in memories, and a little prize money here and there, at least paid my fuel and expenses. Are all these guys "professional" racers??? Im just as broke and down on money as anyone else on here....
Give me a damn break,

AND even IF josh pocketed 20 or 30k per race,,,,WHY SHOULDNT HE ???
Its a LOT of time, and energy on his part to make it happen , as im sure any promoter.

You all (guys that are comlaining) should think about what is more important to you,,,,Mopar races or 75.00

Rant over

signed TONY RUSSO

---

AND Theres the nut huggers to the rescue. Someone takes 10 bucks from someone thats stealing.Go back and hang out on the other web site if you don't like the moparts people.

Quote:

---

I agree---

If I tell you that its gonna be 50 dollars to race and you show up and its 100 thats wrong

---

Quote:

---

If we get rained out thats not the same---

---

Quote:

---

I guess I set the standard all wrong the first year when it rained and we were able to give a refund....

---

Quote:

---

As far as its a business....That is true in some regards, but not 100%. These events do not have the ability to make much more money than to just keep things going...

...If a race brings in enough money to pay the bills plus a little, I want to take whatever that "little" is and stuff it back in the event...food, free stuff, extra races, whatever it takes..trying to just make it better for the people that came

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.

---

I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?

If this conversation happened, I dont remember it Bruce. Were we discussing the Indy Rain Out at Norwalk?

2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?

Bruce, I remember someone asking if we were cutting the purse. I expressed that we would not cut the purse. It would be the same as we posted, but this was in reference to the purse that was set at Norwalk--Not Indy. I couldnt afford to pay the same at Indy as we did at Norwalk. IF I misconstrued that message I apologize.

3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

I remember late Sunday, a racer who had left the payout office, then came back and claimed he was shorted 250 dollars. I dont know who, what class, what car or what he looked like, but I do remember it was late. I reached into my pocket, handed him 250 dollars and apologized. If that was the same guy, then I was the sucker.

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.

---

I tried to answer the questions below them--- without caps---

---

We were discussing what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in the office at indy. When You handed me my three way split money for Sundays race at indy I asked you what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in front of Chris, Kelly, Scott, Tony, Jr, Boomer, Ron and many others you said " don't worry guys I will do something at Norwalk to take care of it maybe a bonus race"

I never wanted the money for nothing the Idea is race for it but it don't sound like myself or anyone else will be given that chance.

You really gave some random guy 250.00 who you did not know because he said you owed it to him without investigating it?? If its that easy I want all my money you owe 3000.00 should do it

Why can you remember some cat you don't know asking for 250.00 but you Can't seem to recall are conversation in the office at indy where there were over a dozen racers you know listening to you reassuring us we would be taken care of at Norwalk??

---

The way i was reading what you wrote was that we all discussed Indys rainout at Norwalk in teh payout booth---that i didnt remember

I do remember us all talking about the rain out at Indy. What do you want me to say Bruce? Where could we have fit in any extra racing...we struggled getting anything finished----

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

All this is why....this is MOPARTS.,

Is 75.00 really that much to a bunch of grown men???

Josh, do me a favor...KEEP MY $75.00 as a donation, this way you can afford to keep putting on these races. You have given me enough already in memories, and a little prize money here and there, at least paid my fuel and expenses. Are all these guys "professional" racers??? Im just as broke and down on money as anyone else on here....
Give me a damn break,

AND even IF josh pocketed 20 or 30k per race,,,,WHY SHOULDNT HE ???
Its a LOT of time, and energy on his part to make it happen , as im sure any promoter.

You all (guys that are comlaining) should think about what is more important to you,,,,Mopar races or 75.00

Rant over

signed TONY RUSSO

---

AND Theres the nut huggers to the rescue. Someone takes 10 bucks from someone thats stealing.Go back and hang out on the other web site if you don't like the moparts people.

---

Quote:

---

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculus?

This is not aimed at you Bruce.. I understand you have your own issues with the races.

People seem to forget that Josh paid us for a FREE race when it was called two years ago. I didnt see anybody complaining when they were waiting in line for hours for FREE food either. Maybe I am the only one looking at the brighter side here, or maybe I am just stupid. And you are right Josh is running a business, but I would bet he isn't making anything on it. The way I look at this is he is doing us a favor. He is sticking his neck out to put on some bada$$ races that only a few people are willing to do. If it weren't for rain I bet no one would be complaining because they had the time of there life and all of these races.

Heck, our car broke after the first pass Saturday at Norwalk. Still had a great time even with the rain... Its 75 bucks guys.. Ease up a bit.

Rant off... Let the bashing commence!

Casey

---

Casey its cool, hope you get what you want out of his races and hope to see you at other races this year ,you have a cool car and my kids like the wheel stands
Bruce Gaier

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.

---

Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.

---

I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?

If this conversation happened, I dont remember it Bruce. Were we discussing the Indy Rain Out at Norwalk?

2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?

Bruce, I remember someone asking if we were cutting the purse. I expressed that we would not cut the purse. It would be the same as we posted, but this was in reference to the purse that was set at Norwalk--Not Indy. I couldnt afford to pay the same at Indy as we did at Norwalk. IF I misconstrued that message I apologize.

3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

I remember late Sunday, a racer who had left the payout office, then came back and claimed he was shorted 250 dollars. I dont know who, what class, what car or what he looked like, but I do remember it was late. I reached into my pocket, handed him 250 dollars and apologized. If that was the same guy, then I was the sucker.

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.

---

I tried to answer the questions below them--- without caps---

---

We were discussing what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in the office at indy. When You handed me my three way split money for Sundays race at indy I asked you what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in front of Chris, Kelly, Scott, Tony, Jr, Boomer, Ron and many others you said " don't worry guys I will do something at Norwalk to take care of it maybe a bonus race"

I never wanted the money for nothing the Idea is race for it but it don't sound like myself or anyone else will be given that chance.

You really gave some random guy 250.00 who you did not know because he said you owed it to him without investigating it?? If its that easy I want all my money you owe 3000.00 should do it

Why can you remember some cat you don't know asking for 250.00 but you Can't seem to recall are conversation in the office at indy where there were over a dozen racers you know listening to you reassuring us we would be taken care of at Norwalk??

---

The way i was reading what you wrote was that we all discussed Indys rainout at Norwalk in teh payout booth---that i didnt remember

I do remember us all talking about the rain out at Indy. What do you want me to say Bruce? Where could we have fit in any extra racing...we struggled getting anything finished----

---

Scott talked to the Sunday quick winner Pinkerton, do you really want to go with the some random guy said you shorted him answer?

So you had the bread to do a race to pay us back the purse money, just not the time. That's cool you should still have that money so add it to the purse at kilkare and give it to those who show up.

count us out for good.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.

---

Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....

---

I ordered a block and rotating kit from him (Indy CH) last Summer. They sent me the work order. It stated on the document that they were to deck the block to 10.720 - it was not done as the deck was rough like it came from World products. The document said they would balance the rotating assy - it wasn't done. Builder had to take a ton of material off the crank to get it balanced. Also stated 13-1 on the documentation and the custom pistons came in at 14-1. I bitched about the work I paid for that wasn't done. He said to send in the bill from my builder which I did - they (he) ignored it.

And besides, it's a Demon.

I can't wait to meet this guy in person. In the meanwhile add me to the list of people who have been ripped off by Josh and Indy. Talking to Russ is like talking to the wall BTW. Once they have your money it's too late. I came close to filing 3 charges of federal (interstate) wire fraud.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.

---

Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....

---

I ordered a block and rotating kit from him (Indy CH) last Summer. They sent me the work order. It stated on the document that they were to deck the block to 10.720 - it was not done as the deck was rough like it came from World products. The document said they would balance the rotating assy - it wasn't done. Builder had to take a ton of material off the crank to get it balanced. Also stated 13-1 on the documentation and the custom pistons came in at 14-1. I bitched about the work I paid for that wasn't done. He said to send in the bill from my builder which I did - they (he) ignored it.

And besides, it's a Demon.

I can't wait to meet this guy in person. In the meanwhile add me to the list of people who have been ripped off by Josh and Indy. Talking to Russ is like talking to the wall BTW. Once they have your money it's too late. I came close to filing 3 charges of federal (interstate) wire fraud.

---

A DEMON!!...You could get a slant 6 in a "DEMON"....Sorry I just don't get it with you "DEMON" folks

---

Mine was a /6, a butterscotch one at that. What's your point? Should a guy cut up a GSS 340 4 sp to make a race car from?

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.

---

If you dont like the facts then..... tooo bad

---

If you start messing with a493demon....Your messing with the whole dam trailer park!!!!....

---

whats shakin eddie?

---

Were having a meeting 2night at the trailer park....U in?...a493demon is are quest speaker

---

is there gonna be kool aid? i like grape count me in .

Quote:

---

Nope you hit the wrong one. You were talking to yourself instead of airwoofer. What the heck is an airwoofer?

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.

---

Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....

---

I ordered a block and rotating kit from him (Indy CH) last Summer. They sent me the work order. It stated on the document that they were to deck the block to 10.720 - it was not done as the deck was rough like it came from World products. The document said they would balance the rotating assy - it wasn't done. Builder had to take a ton of material off the crank to get it balanced. Also stated 13-1 on the documentation and the custom pistons came in at 14-1. I bitched about the work I paid for that wasn't done. He said to send in the bill from my builder which I did - they (he) ignored it.

And besides, it's a Demon.

I can't wait to meet this guy in person. In the meanwhile add me to the list of people who have been ripped off by Josh and Indy. Talking to Russ is like talking to the wall BTW. Once they have your money it's too late. I came close to filing 3 charges of federal (interstate) wire fraud.

---

A DEMON!!...You could get a slant 6 in a "DEMON"....Sorry I just don't get it with you "DEMON" folks

---

Mine was a /6, a butterscotch one at that. What's your point? Should a guy cut up a GSS 340 4 sp to make a race car from?

---

Quote:

---

Nope you hit the wrong one. You were talking to yourself instead of airwoofer

---