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Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist??????????

Posted By: dvw

Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 02:02 AM

Not listed on the Monster Mopar website. Not listed on Fast Mopar website. No entry fees listed. No pay outs listed. Guaranteed pay out?
I'm doing my race schedule now. I'm a working guy with limited vacation time. ???????????????????
Doug
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 02:10 AM

Yes it's happening!

Keith
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 02:28 AM

http://summitmotorsportspark.com/index.p...04/-/-?Itemid=1
Posted By: QTR MILR

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 02:30 AM

Look up Kil-Kare and Norwalks websites.... The races are on their schedules...
Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 02:44 AM

Pretty lame to not have the promotor out in public promoting these events and leaving everyone hanging in limbo
Posted By: dvw

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 03:12 AM

I see nothing about payouts. I remember the posts last year that if racers wanted to know the payout at Norwalk they should have asked. Well, I'm asking. Also wonder whats happening with the 1/2 off entry I was promised from last years Indy race now that there is no Indy race. There's no promotion that I can see, thus no answers.
Doug
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 03:15 AM

https://www.facebook.com/MonsterMopar?fref=ts
Posted By: dvw

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 04:40 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/MonsterMopar?fref=ts




Am I missing something? It doesn't appear to have any 2014 events on the Fliers? Wrong dates for Norwalk.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 05:07 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/MonsterMopar?fref=ts




Am I missing something? It doesn't appear to have any 2014 events on the Fliers? Wrong dates for Norwalk.




Scary isn't it. Glad I didn't plan on going.
I see the slow death in what was once a good race.
Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 05:47 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/MonsterMopar?fref=ts




Am I missing something? It doesn't appear to have any 2014 events on the Fliers? Wrong dates for Norwalk.




Scary isn't it. Glad I didn't plan on going.
I see the slow death in what was once a good race.


I see the slow death in what was once a good race.

The lack of communication is really the killer. Nothing official from the promoter, no race dates and when he did get something out it was not from him on these boards it was from someone else. Racers and even swap and show people are asking questions but no one from MMW is answering them but we do get tid bits of info from some of his peeps who may be in the know. No payouts listed but I have seen entry fee's Also when he was looking to expand his series he overlooked tracks like Quaker and PRP because he only wanted to race at "A a first class facility with alot of paved parking" but now picks some little track for the Indy replacement. Will I be there not not? Maybe - maybe not. It is NOT one of my must go to races.

Russ
Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 05:51 AM

I believe the term they used for going to those smaller tracks was- they werent going to any "podunk" little tracks!
Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 05:58 AM

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I believe the term they used for going to those smaller tracks was- they werent going to any "podunk" little tracks!





Greg you are exactly right but I tried to stay away from that term ("podunk") because when I referred to that track before at a $hit$ole I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. I do know it has new owners and has been improved but I'll bet not to the grand scale Josh was looking for.


Russ
Posted By: Jerry Kathe

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 04:04 PM

KK does not have the charisma that Indy does, that’s a given, but the racing surface is better – hands down.

Shyte hole it is not – I have been to shyte holes. Podunk? well, as I said….I have been to shyte holes and KK is heads and shoulders above those.

The problem may be parking for this event as it isn’t a huge facility. There are options in my opinion, such as opening up the “Creekside” for the swap meet and show cars and parking all non-event cars out front…I’m sure the staff and I “hope” the promoter will evaluate some ideas and options for those issues. I don’t really see it being a show stopper.

The staff at KK is continually reviewing and revising things for improvement, will there be issues? – probably.

The biggest issue I see at this time is the structure of the event, not the location. Based on the sketchy information provided so far, and apparent lack of effort with updates and $$ commitment from the promoter this far into the game, it creates a considerable amount of reservation with my plans for that weekend and I’m less than 10 miles away.

Realizing the event was just reserved for KK a few days ago, I don’t see it as an excuse for going into such an endeavor without a plan already established…..regardless of where its located. That information should be “cut and paste”.


Posted By: cgall

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 04:49 PM

DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 05:13 PM

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The problem may be parking for this event as it isn’t a huge facility.




Considering how poorly this is being promoted, that may not be an issue...
Posted By: 64hemi330sedan

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 09:08 PM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?


how do you know it was extra money?unless you were privy to the details of the contract josh had with indy it sounds like you are calling him a theif.i know from personal experience that most tracks do not refund money to the promoter if its rained out. so I would say the 15k went to track rental,advertising,hog roast and band ect. and dont get me wrong im not im totally happy with the way some things have been handled at the monster mopar events I have attended.but crying about $75.00 due to a rain out to me is silly.i have pissed away more money than that tons times doing stupid stuff to my car that slowed it down.
Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 09:31 PM

this appears to be an ongoing PROBLEM with every event,except for jeff johnsons and bg racing.id say cut your losses and follow what works.unprofessional events wont make money or make racers happy,and eventually will self suffocate and wither away.and they always wonder why.this event had every opportunity to be huge and successful,but as usual,somebody dropped the ball on the racers feet.............
Posted By: cgall

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 10:46 PM

64hemi, it was $150 entry for TWO $1500 to win races. Saturday was rained out and ONE $1500 purse was paid on Sunday. Josh King posted on this site that he would give a $75 rain check for Saturday for all racers that attend THIS year's race at Indy.

Has he offered to extend this rain check to the racers that go to Kil-Kare?

This money was paid by racers for Saturdays track rental, insurance, and race purse. One of these three items were not paid.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/08/14 10:58 PM

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I believe the term they used for going to those smaller tracks was- they werent going to any "podunk" little tracks!





Greg you are exactly right but I tried to stay away from that term ("podunk") because when I referred to that track before at a $hit$ole I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. I do know it has new owners and has been improved but I'll bet not to the grand scale Josh was looking for.


Russ



Maybe they should look into the NEW Dragway 42 for a possible venue
Gus

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Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 12:46 AM

We are trying to get the website updated now that we have all the information we needed on the races



It was not expected to not come back to Indy. NHRA decided to clean house with all the staff and apparently outside promoted shows are not what they are looking for this year as the best we can tell.


Norwalk is Sept 12-13-14 (like it says on the flyers we passed out at the march trade show)

Kilkare is June 28-29 (like they flyer we just passed out confirms)

Norwalk entry and payout will be exactly as it was last year as and the entry is stated on the summit Motorsports park website.

We lost out web designer so me learning how to do that is a slower painful process and I'm sorry.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 12:48 AM

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The problem may be parking for this event as it isn’t a huge facility.




Considering how poorly this is being promoted, that may not be an issue...




Up until last Friday, there wasn't a kilkare event


Sorry if I'm not moving fast enough for your liking.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 12:49 AM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?




Hey cgall. You have any idea what happens to an event that gets rain.... Ok thanks for speaking up


Next time don't. Your opinion wasn't requested.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 12:55 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/MonsterMopar?fref=ts




Am I missing something? It doesn't appear to have any 2014 events on the Fliers? Wrong dates for Norwalk.




I know the flyers are sub par.

I had about 4 hours to get them made and printed all while trying to put the trade show together. Sorry if they aren't very informative. We wanted to have something about both shows on the flyer and I just missed they didn't have the year on them.
Posted By: AAR-B4

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 12:57 AM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?




Hey cgall. You have any idea what happens to an event that gets rain.... Ok thanks for speaking up


Next time don't. Your opinion wasn't requested.




I'm not cgall but............typically if Saturday is rained out the Sunday race is double payout and the weekend race is closed out.

This is an internet web board. opinions need not be requested, It wouldn't be much fun if that were the case.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 12:57 AM

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I believe the term they used for going to those smaller tracks was- they werent going to any "podunk" little tracks!




Kil-Kare is a very nice facility and the new owners are only making it better.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 01:02 AM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?




Hey cgall. You have any idea what happens to an event that gets rain.... Ok thanks for speaking up


Next time don't. Your opinion wasn't requested.




Josh not to rattle your cage but I will let you know how some of the tracks I race at handle rain-outs. If it a weekend event and the first of two days gets rained out we race for a BIGGER purse the second day. Not necessarily double as track rental and costs do add up but in a case like this if you have 75 dollars hanging there roll 25 dollars of each persons entry fee into Sundays payouts. (there has to be some money left over from a race that was never run.) If you do this all monies are accounted for when you pull out from the track. My son lucked out and took second at PRP's Halloween race several years ago were this policy was used and he was a VERY HAPPY camper.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 01:08 AM

I will have the races payouts and what not figured shortly.


Your not rattling. I appreciate the input.
Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 01:19 AM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?




did you also add up the money Josh has lost because of rain ?
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 02:30 AM

just imagine how many races there would be if all the people that bash someones event put on their own... i mean it's so easy to do.
Posted By: slippery440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 03:07 AM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?




Hey cgall. You have any idea what happens to an event that gets rain.... Ok thanks for speaking up


Next time don't. Your opinion wasn't requested.




I DO The promoter takes it in the butt and the racers get a raincheck for the full amount for any future race. THATS THE WAY ITS HANDLED HERE.With your attitude and lack of any comunications you should not promote a pony and dog show. Thats my opinion.
Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 03:51 AM

understandably things can happen out of ones control,isnt that what contracts are for? why not hire a professional to do the pr work?josh really tries to help the sport but it appears the rug always gets pulled out from under him for various reasons.my guess is he really needs a competent team behind him to help with the organizing and promotions.one man just cant wear all the shoes.some other events do seem to run smoother,but between the rain gods and the tracks changing management I am surprised he hasn't ended up in the asylum..........
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 04:29 AM

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just imagine how many races there would be if all the people that bash someones event put on their own... i mean it's so easy to do.




Couldn't have said it better myself. There aren't too many guys willing to take the risk, or the personal attacks that come with running an event. Everyone seems to forget the few events we had in the past that were failing. It takes a lot big pair to be the one to step in and take over where others failed.
Now there are more events and everybody dissects Josh
A bunch of class acts around here, maybe you dont like the way he handled things but at least he tried when nobody else would.

Keith
Posted By: Hitman340

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 05:50 AM

There is obviously a bunch of very intelligent and talented promoters out there who know exactly the way these things should be ran. after all it's so easy to work a full time job run a household and just put on a little event for everyone's enjoyment. and what makes it even more rewarding is for everyone to appreciate it as much as they do. so with that being said let's start a list of guys on this forum who are willing to put up a hundred grand of their own money to show the rest of us just how easy it . please start your list of names here we are all very anxious to attend your event.
Posted By: Eric

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 05:57 AM

Well...after getting down to 3 at one of Charlie's events and receiving a $50 payout. I'm willing to give anyone a try. If my schedule allows I will attend the Norwalk event...whatever the date is
Posted By: dvw

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 06:23 AM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?


how do you know it was extra money?unless you were privy to the details of the contract josh had with indy it sounds like you are calling him a theif.i know from personal experience that most tracks do not refund money to the promoter if its rained out. so I would say the 15k went to track rental,advertising,hog roast and band ect. and dont get me wrong im not im totally happy with the way some things have been handled at the monster mopar events I have attended.but crying about $75.00 due to a rain out to me is silly.i have pissed away more money than that tons times doing stupid stuff to my car that slowed it down.




I was told last year that racers that attended Indy would get a credit, There's no crying, just asking. As for what was lost. I drove 13 hr round trip to Indy to run 3 races. 2 on Saturday that were scheduled, one on Sunday. It rained, no ones fault. If the payout had been adjusted for Sunday, the question would have never been asked. I just have found it very hard to find information. Such as this years payouts. Maybe I'm dumb, but so far have been unable to find any info. That is why I posted. Looking for info. I haven't bad mouthed anyone, just trying to get some clarity.
Doug
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 07:10 AM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?


how do you know it was extra money?unless you were privy to the details of the contract josh had with indy it sounds like you are calling him a theif.i know from personal experience that most tracks do not refund money to the promoter if its rained out. so I would say the 15k went to track rental,advertising,hog roast and band ect. and dont get me wrong im not im totally happy with the way some things have been handled at the monster mopar events I have attended.but crying about $75.00 due to a rain out to me is silly.i have pissed away more money than that tons times doing stupid stuff to my car that slowed it down.




I was told last year that racers that attended Indy would get a credit, There's no crying, just asking. As for what was lost. I drove 13 hr round trip to Indy to run 3 races. 2 on Saturday that were scheduled, one on Sunday. It rained, no ones fault. If the payout had been adjusted for Sunday, the question would have never been asked. I just have found it very hard to find information. Such as this years payouts. Maybe I'm dumb, but so far have been unable to find any info. That is why I posted. Looking for info. I haven't bad mouthed anyone, just trying to get some clarity.
Doug




Has your $75 question been answered yet Doug... I
think not.. but I have a good idea what it will come
out to be... I hope not for you
Posted By: 69dart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 03:14 PM

I'm hopeful the rainout entries from Indy last year carryover to Kilkare.
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 03:34 PM

Seeing , watching, listening, way to many issues lack.of.dedicated tracks for what ever the reasons,.
Lack of any information, promoting questions unanswered.with a smug response,.from anyone in.the series.
The MMW event is far far removed of anything it once was
Good luck to those who run it , and to those who endure .
Posted By: nhramark

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 06:38 PM

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DVW did you really think you would get that raincheck back from last year at Indy? After all, it was only worth $75.00. Oh wait, there were 200 cars there, X $75 = $15,000.00. What did the MMW promoter do with the extra 15 G's?


how do you know it was extra money?unless you were privy to the details of the contract josh had with indy it sounds like you are calling him a theif.i know from personal experience that most tracks do not refund money to the promoter if its rained out. so I would say the 15k went to track rental,advertising,hog roast and band ect. and dont get me wrong im not im totally happy with the way some things have been handled at the monster mopar events I have attended.but crying about $75.00 due to a rain out to me is silly.i have pissed away more money than that tons times doing stupid stuff to my car that slowed it down.




I was told last year that racers that attended Indy would get a credit, There's no crying, just asking. As for what was lost. I drove 13 hr round trip to Indy to run 3 races. 2 on Saturday that were scheduled, one on Sunday. It rained, no ones fault. If the payout had been adjusted for Sunday, the question would have never been asked. I just have found it very hard to find information. Such as this years payouts. Maybe I'm dumb, but so far have been unable to find any info. That is why I posted. Looking for info. I haven't bad mouthed anyone, just trying to get some clarity.
Doug




The clarity thing goes a few layers deep. Until a couple weeks ago or so, we were expecting to be at Indy like planned. Most or all of the staff at Indy was fired and now there is no communication from them at all, even though Josh had/has an agreement to run there this year and next year. It's kind of difficult to promote an event under those conditions...

I would suggest just being patient. The date is the same, the new venue (KilKare) has been posted, you now know what has been going on behind closed doors, and the remaining info will come out as soon as possible.

I have not seen anything from Josh retracting the rainout info from last year, so I'm not sure why some of you are making so much noise about it. Josh is actually one of the good guys...
Posted By: cudadon

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 07:09 PM

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Seeing , watching, listening, way to many issues lack.of.dedicated tracks for what ever the reasons,.
Lack of any information, promoting questions unanswered.with a smug response,.from anyone in.the series.
The MMW event is far far removed of anything it once was
Good luck to those who run it , and to those who endure .




Dennis it's obvious from your posts that you have had sour grapes since MMW was sold/left st. louis!

It's also obvious that you think scott s.(s&s)is the best thing since hemisherical combustion chambers.

So where is your super promter?
The latest event that was rumored to be coming to st. louis is not happening.

I think the current MMW weekend staff is trying to put on good events.
Let's cut him some slack while he is regrouping from the Indy problem.
This is MY view of this. Hoping that they fail will not help st. louis get another BIG event.
Don
Posted By: cgall

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 07:33 PM

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There is obviously a bunch of very intelligent and talented promoters out there who know exactly the way these things should be ran. after all it's so easy to work a full time job run a household and just put on a little event for everyone's enjoyment. and what makes it even more rewarding is for everyone to appreciate it as much as they do. so with that being said let's start a list of guys on this forum who are willing to put up a hundred grand of their own money to show the rest of us just how easy it . please start your list of names here we are all very anxious to attend your event.




Well for starters, Greg Dillman, Michael Beard and Steve Stites are all members of this forum and have all run successful bracket racing events such as the No-Box Nationals and the Footbrake Frenzy. These guys started out as racers and began promoting races run the way they wanted to see them run instead of going the way of NHRA and greedy track owners.

I stated on here about a year ago that if someone wanted to promote a successful Mopar series of races they should go to the Jegs US Open or the Tenn-Tuck and pay attention to how they are running it. The best races are the ones run by racers for racers. Often times they get an overflow number of entries and they INCREASE the payout.
Posted By: 412 SB Duster

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/09/14 11:16 PM

It's always the same group complaining. So don't go!
I'll be there racing having a good time.
Posted By: prochamp

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/10/14 01:38 AM

it doesn't matter what type of business it is when dealing with the public. lack of communication is a recipe for conjecture, ill will and disaster. open door policy is always the way. if you are in the public eye you have to pay attention to your business regardless of anything or you won't have that business for long period.
Posted By: wheelsup68dart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/10/14 06:18 AM

Glad there are races scheduled. I have some Idea of the cost asssociated with a rain out. I'll do a quick tally 400 miles round trip 10mpg @$3.50 thats about $160 in fuel, double enter box and no box for weekend $300, food and board 2 days thats another $150. So yeah when it rains even the consumer takes a hit at times. Just saying that when u invest $750 for a busted weekend and are told that you will get a raincheck for next years event at INDY you just want to know whats going on. Thanks for a little clarity in this issue, but if you can answer the ? about the raincheck it would be appreciated. If it just isn't going to happen I can handle it, but would like to have an answer. Thanks for bringing me out of retirement.
Posted By: RonTheAnnouncer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/10/14 01:52 PM

The best "races run by racers" are those that are promoted well and often. Dillman, Beard, and Stites, along with Anthony Walton, Jared Pennington, the Biondos, etc., spend a lot of time securing sponsors, updating websites (almost to the minute) appearing on different message boards regularly, always making sure that racers know what to expect. Look at the flyers put out, most will list a minimum number of entries to pay the advertised payout, round prizes, etc. It is a LOT of work for an independant promoter to put on a race and be sucessful at it. I know that none of these guys are getting rich from being promoters. Be patient and be respectful when asking questions, and you will get that back...usually.
Hope to some of you at VMP this weekend!
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/11/14 06:58 AM

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Seeing , watching, listening, way to many issues lack.of.dedicated tracks for what ever the reasons,.
Lack of any information, promoting questions unanswered.with a smug response,.from anyone in.the series.
The MMW event is far far removed of anything it once was
Good luck to those who run it , and to those who endure .




Dennis it's obvious from your posts that you have had sour grapes since MMW was sold/left st. louis!

It's also obvious that you think scott s.(s&s)is the best thing since hemisherical combustion chambers.

So where is your super promter?
The latest event that was rumored to be coming to st. louis is not happening.

I think the current MMW weekend staff is trying to put on good events.
Let's cut him some slack while he is regrouping from the Indy problem.
This is MY view of this. Hoping that they fail will not help st. louis get another BIG event.
Don



Let me set you straight fast quick n in a hurry
I could completely care less of specialty races, ie loyalty branded,
I race them because #1 I want to , not that I have to.
#2 I would rather have regular bracket races every weekend at all the tracks .
#3 as for Scott ,ska, Ss promotion, don't know , do not care !
It's has been my opinion , only mine,,, that no info little info
And given the issues of past tracks issues and now new. Issues ,
Total lack of any respected answers without being called somekind of name , or derogatory statement is the norm from this promoter, sad but true,.
I can see why I want just regular races instead of having to gullet all the be put out
By others ,
I wish all that run ithe MMW series the best. !
As for GMP, let's just race ,don't have time for drama filled events
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/11/14 11:12 PM

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let's just race ,don't have time for drama filled events




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Schedule? POSTED,
Fliers with info? MAILED OUT,
Website? UPDATED,



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Posted By: slippery440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/11/14 11:30 PM

Thats what a promoter should do!!! A real poster and all entry fees up front and payouts up front and months ahead of the event.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 02:43 PM

I'll be there because according to your flyer Si Robertson will be there handing out free duck calls.

just kidding, we will be there

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Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 03:46 PM

you guys a pizzing and moaning about $75.00 dollars and travel expenses how much do you have tied up in your car? im sure its pennies on the dollar compared to the cost of your car. did you build your car to have fun or to e john force? im sure everyone has their competitive nature in them but all this for $75.00. josh i applaude you for steeping up and taking over from charlie witch i know has upset alot of ppl with his payout changes. as far as communication ya it could be better but sometimes unforseen things get in the way. i will support you and you endevors old salty.
Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 06:48 PM

First of all what does the money someone puts into their car have to do with the money they pay to race?? 2 different subjects. Second when they paid their $75 to race they expect something for their hard earned money-if you have $75 to just throw away then good for you, BUT everyone who paid was told they would get a free entry to the same event this year, not by their mothers but by the promoter himself so why is it a friking crime to inquire about said promise?? There is not even going to be an Indy event this year so what becomes of the carry over, no mention of it,and very little communication if any so yes there are questions not being answered. I dont have a dog in this fight but it gets very annoying when some people think its ok to just say "oh well screw it I didnt need that money anyways" They paid to race they expect to get whats owed to them
Posted By: dartman366

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 08:10 PM

Josh would probably be a little more receptive if he didn't get the hell beat out of him every time he came on here, remember Moparts is not the end all be all of the mopar world and all this in-fighting will get us all nowhere and when he get's all his information together and the plans are set then we will know. as for the money from Indy, I am goiing to wait and see how he rectify's this, if he does then fine, if he don't then maybe my loyalty will move on, even as I type I am owed a $90.00 entry fee that was canceled last year when I transferred my entry from the Mopower event at Columbus to Kanawha Valley, thats money I am sure I will never see again.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 08:14 PM

Quote:

First of all what does the money someone puts into their car have to do with the money they pay to race?? 2 different subjects. Second when they paid their $75 to race they expect something for their hard earned money-if you have $75 to just throw away then good for you, BUT everyone who paid was told they would get a free entry to the same event this year, not by their mothers but by the promoter himself so why is it a friking crime to inquire about said promise?? There is not even going to be an Indy event this year so what becomes of the carry over, no mention of it,and very little communication if any so yes there are questions not being answered. I dont have a dog in this fight but it gets very annoying when some people think its ok to just say "oh well screw it I didnt need that money anyways" They paid to race they expect to get whats owed to them


it is not a crime to ask but when something happens that is you cannot control then you do the best you can to accomodate. as far as the cost of the car build my point was $75.00 was pennies on the dollar im sure you missed that part. if you dont have the $75.00 to race what are you doing racing anyway and btw a good weekend will cost in upwards of at least $500.00 depending on how far you travel. i go because i want to see my freinds and do a little racing not to cry about the $75.00 that i didnt have to spend to start with.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 08:21 PM

Quote:

Quote:

First of all what does the money someone puts into their car have to do with the money they pay to race?? 2 different subjects. Second when they paid their $75 to race they expect something for their hard earned money-if you have $75 to just throw away then good for you, BUT everyone who paid was told they would get a free entry to the same event this year, not by their mothers but by the promoter himself so why is it a friking crime to inquire about said promise?? There is not even going to be an Indy event this year so what becomes of the carry over, no mention of it,and very little communication if any so yes there are questions not being answered. I dont have a dog in this fight but it gets very annoying when some people think its ok to just say "oh well screw it I didnt need that money anyways" They paid to race they expect to get whats owed to them


it is not a crime to ask but when something happens that is you cannot control then you do the best you can to accomodate. as far as the cost of the car build my point was $75.00 was pennies on the dollar im sure you missed that part. if you dont have the $75.00 to race what are you doing racing anyway and btw a good weekend will cost in upwards of at least $500.00 depending on how far you travel. i go because i want to see my freinds and do a little racing not to cry about the $75.00 that i didnt have to spend to start with.




You really dont get it.... the OP asked what was gonna
be done about the $75... if it would still be honored..
there wasnt anything said.. thats all
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 08:32 PM

I did not say anything about 75.00 dollars nor did I pi$$ or moan about anything. There is a hell of a lot more to it than 75 misley bucks, you would know what I was talking about if you actually won anything at a MM event. I'm not one to piss and moan and cry I'm just one who will not be attending anymore monster mopar events for reasons that are my business not yours.

In closing all I said was I will be attending the Jeff Johnson event and joked about getting a free duck call, do not include me in with anyone else be it good or bad.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 09:10 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

First of all what does the money someone puts into their car have to do with the money they pay to race?? 2 different subjects. Second when they paid their $75 to race they expect something for their hard earned money-if you have $75 to just throw away then good for you, BUT everyone who paid was told they would get a free entry to the same event this year, not by their mothers but by the promoter himself so why is it a friking crime to inquire about said promise?? There is not even going to be an Indy event this year so what becomes of the carry over, no mention of it,and very little communication if any so yes there are questions not being answered. I dont have a dog in this fight but it gets very annoying when some people think its ok to just say "oh well screw it I didnt need that money anyways" They paid to race they expect to get whats owed to them


it is not a crime to ask but when something happens that is you cannot control then you do the best you can to accomodate. as far as the cost of the car build my point was $75.00 was pennies on the dollar im sure you missed that part. if you dont have the $75.00 to race what are you doing racing anyway and btw a good weekend will cost in upwards of at least $500.00 depending on how far you travel. i go because i want to see my freinds and do a little racing not to cry about the $75.00 that i didnt have to spend to start with.




You really dont get it.... the OP asked what was gonna
be done about the $75... if it would still be honored..
there wasnt anything said.. thats all your wrong mike i DO GET IT my reply was to the other people that were making statements. and ya if i were to lose $75.00 it really wouldnt bother me it would be the same to me as going out before you in the money rounds. but different people have different views and appearently ther are those that dont like what i have to say so keep flaming away.



Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 09:12 PM

Quote:

I did not say anything about 75.00 dollars nor did I pi$$ or moan about anything. There is a hell of a lot more to it than 75 misley bucks, you would know what I was talking about if you actually won anything at a MM event. I'm not one to piss and moan and cry I'm just one who will not be attending anymore monster mopar events for reasons that are my business not yours.

In closing all I said was I will be attending the Jeff Johnson event and joked about getting a free duck call, do not include me in with anyone else be it good or bad.


i coud be wrong but show me where i mentioned your name. and i have my say so im done for now.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 10:21 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I did not say anything about 75.00 dollars nor did I pi$$ or moan about anything. There is a hell of a lot more to it than 75 misley bucks, you would know what I was talking about if you actually won anything at a MM event. I'm not one to piss and moan and cry I'm just one who will not be attending anymore monster mopar events for reasons that are my business not yours.

In closing all I said was I will be attending the Jeff Johnson event and joked about getting a free duck call, do not include me in with anyone else be it good or bad.


i coud be wrong but show me where i mentioned your name. and i have my say so im done for now.



[Re: julian2007]
#8071154 - Wed Mar 12 2014 09:46 AM this means you are responding to me does it not??
if you wanted to respond to some one who is bitshing click on there post not mine.



you guys a pizzing and moaning about $75.00 dollars and travel expenses how much do you have tied up in your car? im sure its pennies on the dollar compared to the cost of your car. did you build your car to have fun or to e john force? im sure everyone has their competitive nature in them but all this for $75.00. josh i applaude you for steeping up and taking over from charlie witch i know has upset alot of ppl with his payout changes. as far as communication ya it could be better but sometimes unforseen things get in the way. i will support you and you endevors old salty. YOUR WORDS
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 10:40 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I did not say anything about 75.00 dollars nor did I pi$$ or moan about anything. There is a hell of a lot more to it than 75 misley bucks, you would know what I was talking about if you actually won anything at a MM event. I'm not one to piss and moan and cry I'm just one who will not be attending anymore monster mopar events for reasons that are my business not yours.

In closing all I said was I will be attending the Jeff Johnson event and joked about getting a free duck call, do not include me in with anyone else be it good or bad.


i coud be wrong but show me where i mentioned your name. and i have my say so im done for now.



[Re: julian2007]
#8071154 - Wed Mar 12 2014 09:46 AM this means you are responding to me does it not??
if you wanted to respond to some one who is bitshing click on there post not mine.



you guys a pizzing and moaning about $75.00 dollars and travel expenses how much do you have tied up in your car? im sure its pennies on the dollar compared to the cost of your car. did you build your car to have fun or to e john force? im sure everyone has their competitive nature in them but all this for $75.00. josh i applaude you for steeping up and taking over from charlie witch i know has upset alot of ppl with his payout changes. as far as communication ya it could be better but sometimes unforseen things get in the way. i will support you and you endevors old salty. YOUR WORDS


unless i am wrong you have to click on REPLY TO PUT IN A COMMENT THAT WAS MY FIRST REPLY sorry it was under yours. IT WAS NOT A QUOTE OF WHAT YOU SAID so clean out your pants.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 10:43 PM

lets see tep i had to hit reply to make this post. JOSH KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING MAYBE DOLE OUT SOME DIAPERS AND TISSUES FOR THOSE THAT NEED EM. ok that was under my post so no crying allowed.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 10:55 PM

Quote:

lets see tep i had to hit reply to make this post. JOSH KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING MAYBE DOLE OUT SOME DIAPERS AND TISSUES FOR THOSE THAT NEED EM. ok that was under my post so no crying allowed.




WHY is it so hard for Josh to post a YES, NO or unknown
at this time.... pretty simple.. dont you agree...
otherwise he MIGHT be loosing a lot of potential customers..
I wasnt there but IF I wanted some answers it sure
would help to find out this stuff from the horses mouth... JMO
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:00 PM

Quote:

Quote:

lets see tep i had to hit reply to make this post. JOSH KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING MAYBE DOLE OUT SOME DIAPERS AND TISSUES FOR THOSE THAT NEED EM. ok that was under my post so no crying allowed.




WHY is it so hard for Josh to post a YES, NO or unknown
at this time.... pretty simple.. dont you agree...
otherwise he MIGHT be loosing a lot of potential customers..
I wasnt there but IF I wanted some answers it sure
would help to find out this stuff from the horses mouth... JMO



i dont know why josh dosent post a reply and if you guys read all of what i wrote i did say something about communication.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:06 PM

Look at you guys..... Are you serious? This is how people act these days I guess.


As far as the rain out for Indy was concerned, We had full intentions in having a 2 day race again in Indy this year, and the facility was going to help me out with track rental as a show of good faith being that I had essentially been rained out EVERY year I did a race there. Not their fault what so ever, but that was how I was going to afford to allow everyone race for free on Saturday, as I had intended

The issue is now that that doesnt hold true with Kil-Kare as to be expected.

I would love to do something for all the people that showed up to another one of my races and were rained on....again, but Im not exactly sure how I am able to do that. But I am trying to do something that would be fair.

As far as Entry and payouts at Norwalk, they are as follows

Entry is $150.00 for the following classes (THIS IS FOR BOTH SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS RACE)

Big Dog
Super Pro
Pro
NSS
Hemi SS
KOS
Sportsman

Payouts (Both Saturday and Sunday)
Win 1500
RU 500
Semi 300
1/4s 100


AS far as Kil-Kare, I am still trying to structure something that makes good sense and help the racers from Indy who were rained out, but being that we only have Saturday and Sunday at the track time also becomes a sticking point.

The Classes will be exactly the same as Norwalk, but Payout and Entry is tbd. Please be patient---

Josh
317 681 4546
josh@pentastarpromotions.com
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:10 PM

are ya gonna feed em too ya know someone will bich about no free food. do we need to bring our own toilet paper? jus trying to cover bases before they start in on ya.
Posted By: Whompin_Wedge

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:15 PM

Good to hear Josh. We will be there as long as the car is together! As far as I am concerned you can keep the $75, as much money that has been lost due to rain outs on your end.. I think we can afford to lose $75...

Casey
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:20 PM

Holy crap guys, let it go. Promoting a race like this is hard enough while you are working a 40 hour PLUS work week, Family life and life's issues going on. While I was working I helped organize Family picnics and Christmas parties for about 75 Millwrights and their Families And even that wasn't easy. And it was out of OUR coffee fund so I wasn't even spending a dime of my own money. Try it some time if you think its easy. I know I've said things and maybe even made a suggestion or two but nobody deserves being berated for doing a job that sometimes you cannot control. ALL racers hate rain. Especially a racer that is promoting a race. Racer entry fees do not cover all costs so a promoter has to drum up support and in today's economy that is not easy to do. Its your choice to support or not support a race but until you have been in a position like this try to look at it from all angles. Before its to late and these races go away. Have a GREAT day and a enjoy the ride for tomorrow you may be rotting away in a box.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:21 PM

Quote:

Good to hear Josh. We will be there as long as the car is together! As far as I am concerned you can keep the $75, as much money that has been lost due to rain outs on your end.. I think we can afford to lose $75...

Casey


spoken like a supporter.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:33 PM

Quote:

lets see tep i had to hit reply to make this post. JOSH KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING MAYBE DOLE OUT SOME DIAPERS AND TISSUES FOR THOSE THAT NEED EM. ok that was under my post so no crying allowed.



I bet your mouth don't run like that within swinging distance of someone.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:35 PM

i bet it does im not hard to find at the races. its not my fault that you cant determine who is and who is not making reference to you. either or ill be a kil kare. oh ya ill be at norwalk also.
Posted By: BigDog68Dart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:44 PM

cool-aid and pop corn for everyone.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/12/14 11:46 PM

i like grape.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 12:08 AM

Quote:

Look at you guys..... Are you serious? This is how people act these days I guess.


As far as the rain out for Indy was concerned, We had full intentions in having a 2 day race again in Indy this year, and the facility was going to help me out with track rental as a show of good faith being that I had essentially been rained out EVERY year I did a race there. Not their fault what so ever, but that was how I was going to afford to allow everyone race for free on Saturday, as I had intended

The issue is now that that doesnt hold true with Kil-Kare as to be expected.

I would love to do something for all the people that showed up to another one of my races and were rained on....again, but Im not exactly sure how I am able to do that. But I am trying to do something that would be fair.

As far as Entry and payouts at Norwalk, they are as follows

Entry is $150.00 for the following classes (THIS IS FOR BOTH SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS RACE)

Big Dog
Super Pro
Pro
NSS
Hemi SS
KOS
Sportsman

Payouts (Both Saturday and Sunday)
Win 1500
RU 500
Semi 300
1/4s 100


AS far as Kil-Kare, I am still trying to structure something that makes good sense and help the racers from Indy who were rained out, but being that we only have Saturday and Sunday at the track time also becomes a sticking point.

The Classes will be exactly the same as Norwalk, but Payout and Entry is tbd. Please be patient---

Josh
317 681 4546
josh@pentastarpromotions.com




Here is what people don't understand, Saturday was rained out at indy last year 2013 so Saturday you did not pay any purse money. The track rental is the same rain out or not. You were paid entry by every racer there but because of the rain you didn't have to pay any money out on Saturday. The rain out did not cost you anything so what happened to all the entry money for Saturday? Why would any track have to help you out, you should still have the prize money that was not paid at the Saturday race 2013

I am not a promoter and never claimed to be one but this is what dozens of people are asking me what happened to the Saturday prize money why do you not still have it? thinking I am affiliated with monster mopar when I am not.

These are not smart ass remarks so please don't take it that way, I think if you explain why you don't have the money left from the Saturday entry people will let it drop.

After what happened at Norwalk 2013 I will no longer run a Monster Mopar event. It is not because of the 75 dollars or the crash or anything like that, It is because When we were paid the money for quick on Saturday after the crash it was based on 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner up and we were paid on sunday morning. On Sunday Pinkerton won and I can't remember who runnered up, they split and were handed 2000.00 to split, after they complained that it should be 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner up they were paid 2250.00 and we were not.

I left 1/2 a dozen messages on your phone wanting to ask why and why were told in are pits Saturday night by You the purse was the same as indy and would not be cut when in fact it was cut because indy was 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner up and why pinkerton and second place was paid on the 750.00 to runner up scale and we were paid on the 500.00 to runner scale. I was never called back
I wish you all the luck,Bruce
Posted By: slippery440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 12:20 AM

Quote:

i like grape.




You keep drinking that grape kool aid that Josh is providing!
Notice only time he responds is when he is pushed into a corner. Gentleman above seems to have a few legit Questions.
Posted By: BigDog68Dart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 12:34 AM

look forward to seeing you all at Columbus, can't hardly wait. I am so wintered out this year!
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 12:38 AM

Quote:

Quote:

i like grape.




You keep drinking that grape kool aid that Josh is providing!
Notice only time he responds is when he is pushed into a corner. Gentleman above seems to have a few legit Questions.


i dont believe i was pushed into a corner i took the time to read all the post's and i made one of my own. i am by far a nutswinger i do applaude people that want to keep the sport alive and possibly growing. i also am not afraid or reserved about any of my comments, feelings or opinions as other people should feel the the same way. if im not mistaken the is one thing about being an american freedom of speech. and i still like grape.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 12:44 AM

me too hope you guys have a great season, stop in and have a beer on me,Bruce
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 01:10 AM

look buddy, I don't want start a pissing match with you and I get your point about keeping the sport alive, I have dragged my family clear to gateway, indy and norwalk to support this event I never said even one thing bad about it ever,we have handed out flyers, ran the coloring contest and brought more than 10 race cars to this event at every event. If anyone supports it its me so that's why I took offence to what you said.

If you want to get into it at the track that's cool most of my friends I have I kicked there a$$ or they kicked mine at one time or another but not over something as stupid as this,

hope you have a good year as well

As far as MM is concerned my last post was the first negative thing I ever said ,It was not negative on purpose what Is exactly the way it happened

Also it gets old when you have to go up to the tower and explain to the race director what cross talk is and why dragsters use it like door cars do. at gateway the race director told me dragsters do not use cross talk after I asked why they shut it off on the dragster side of quick screwing up the round, so I asked him why dragsters don't use cross talk and he then admitted to me he did not know what cross talk was. He did it again at Indy and had to run the round over again. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

point is if you are going to run a race you need to be fully educated about the rules and stick to exactly what you said you were going to do be it good or bad.

again good luck this year,Bruce
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 01:44 AM

well to start of with as i said before my post was not aimed specificly at you. you came at me my first post was under yours thats how it works. you also made a reamark as to weather or not i would say anything if someone was in swinging distance i also awnsered that i would. now you can get over the fact that my post was not aimed at you personaly or not. as of now i really dont give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] like i said im not hard to find in fact i do alot of walking around so that makes it easier if someone is looking for me. i dont look for trouble but i dont run either maybe we will resolve this some day maybe not either way you have a safe year racing and good luck to you.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 01:51 AM

Quote:

well to start of with as i said before my post was not aimed specificly at you. you came at me my first post was under yours thats how it works. you also made a reamark as to weather or not i would say anything if someone was in swinging distance i also awnsered that i would. now you can get over the fact that my post was not aimed at you personaly or not. as of now i really dont give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] like i said im not hard to find in fact i do alot of walking around so that makes it easier if someone is looking for me. i dont look for trouble but i dont run either maybe we will resolve this some day maybe not either way you have a safe year racing and good luck to you.




He had the right to come back at you... if you dont
know how to respond to a certain persons post...
you should LEARN.. but I think you MIGHT have
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:09 AM

Quote:

Quote:

well to start of with as i said before my post was not aimed specificly at you. you came at me my first post was under yours thats how it works. you also made a reamark as to weather or not i would say anything if someone was in swinging distance i also awnsered that i would. now you can get over the fact that my post was not aimed at you personaly or not. as of now i really dont give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] like i said im not hard to find in fact i do alot of walking around so that makes it easier if someone is looking for me. i dont look for trouble but i dont run either maybe we will resolve this some day maybe not either way you have a safe year racing and good luck to you.




He had the right to come back at you... if you dont
know how to respond to a certain persons post...
you should LEARN.. but I think you MIGHT have



please explain to me how my post was aimed at him. you have to hit reply or quote to put up a post i used reply not qoute. with that being said i would think the post was in general. now you show me where my first post on this was a quote on his post.
Posted By: cgall

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:15 AM

This discussion points out the large void that exists between "Bracket Racers" and "Hobby Racers". Bracket Racers such as Bruce have an expectation that a race will be run under normal circumstances for NHRA Division 3, with crosstalk, autostart, courtesy staging, and the like used just like a Summit race at any of the 50+ tracks in the division. Hobby Racers are loyal to their brand first and attend Mopar-specific racing events without any consideration or knowledge of how a race should be conducted.

Bracket Racers will not tolerate cut purses, events called for low turnout (DRR), or purses never paid via mail (AHRA). There are too many good quality races in the area that pay well and are not brand specific. Hobby Racers will support a series with no rules just to keep the venue alive.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:21 AM




please explain to me how my post was aimed at him. you have to hit reply or quote to put up a post i used reply not qoute. with that being said i would think the post was in general. now you show me where my first post on this was a quote on his post.




Any time you click on a persons post you are talking
to that person... if you want to talk in general click
on your post or the original post... thats why you
are always better to Quote the person you want to talk to
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:45 AM

some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:49 AM

Quote:

some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.




If you dont like the facts then..... tooo bad
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:51 AM

Quote:




please explain to me how my post was aimed at him. you have to hit reply or quote to put up a post i used reply not qoute. with that being said i would think the post was in general. now you show me where my first post on this was a quote on his post.




Any time you click on a persons post you are talking
to that person... if you want to talk in general click
on your post or the original post... thats why you
are always better to Quote the person you want to talk to



how can i click on my post when that was my first one????????????????
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:54 AM

the way i see it and understand it is you have 2 choices reply or quote i did not want to quote him so my reply was to the thread. while im thinking about it mike if you dont like what i said then too bad for you also.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:58 AM

Quote:

the way i see it and understand it is you have 2 choices reply or quote i did not want to quote him so my reply was to the thread. while im thinking about it mike if you dont like what i said then too bad for you also.




I TRIED to teach you the RIGHT WAY... your on your
own to do what ever you want and it MIGHT make you
look like a A$$
Posted By: Sport440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:06 AM

Quote:

the way i see it and understand it is you have 2 choices reply or quote i did not want to quote him so my reply was to the thread. while im thinking about it mike if you dont like what i said then too bad for you also.





Hey! You talking to me? mike
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:07 AM

Quote:

Quote:

the way i see it and understand it is you have 2 choices reply or quote i did not want to quote him so my reply was to the thread. while im thinking about it mike if you dont like what i said then too bad for you also.




I TRIED to teach you the RIGHT WAY... your on your
own to do what ever you want and it MIGHT make you
look like a A$$ whatever mike your the know it all.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:11 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

the way i see it and understand it is you have 2 choices reply or quote i did not want to quote him so my reply was to the thread. while im thinking about it mike if you dont like what i said then too bad for you also.




I TRIED to teach you the RIGHT WAY... your on your
own to do what ever you want and it MIGHT make you
look like a A$$ whatever mike your the know it all.




Read your other post... dont make a A$$ out of yourself..
I just tried to tell you how its done
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:16 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

the way i see it and understand it is you have 2 choices reply or quote i did not want to quote him so my reply was to the thread. while im thinking about it mike if you dont like what i said then too bad for you also.




I TRIED to teach you the RIGHT WAY... your on your
own to do what ever you want and it MIGHT make you
look like a A$$ whatever mike your the know it all.




Read your other post... dont make a A$$ out of yourself..
I just tried to tell you how its done



witch post is that mike i have a few on here?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:23 AM

witch post is that mike i have a few on here?




How to make a post
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:27 AM

funny I have always just hit reply.
unless I wanted it to be to someone or a question then hit quote.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:27 AM

Quote:

witch post is that mike i have a few on here?




How to make a post



wouldnt that be considered starting a thread?
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:33 AM

hey julian i have been advised and it was explained to me that i have been posting the wrong way. in no way way my post aimed at you i did say that before. it seemed you wouldnt let it go that i bashed you, i will say this one last time it was not aimed personaly at you. now with all that being said i will still stand in fron of you or anyone and say what i have to say swinging distance or not. oh yes the posting info i got was not from mike it was from someone that explained the whole thing to me .
Posted By: dannysbee

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 04:31 AM

Quote:

funny I have always just hit reply.
unless I wanted it to be to someone or a question then hit quote.




Me too!!!...no wonder I have no friends. I've pis sin people off for the last 10-11 years and didn't even know it.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 05:03 AM

Guys can we get this back on to what the post is about.. thanks
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 05:35 AM

Quote:

Guys can we get this back on to what the post is about.. thanks





seems to me this topic is about crying so its all good.
Posted By: Eric

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 06:00 AM

Next guy who makes a threat can use the phone to communicate instead of this website.
Posted By: Sport440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 06:41 AM

Quote:

Guys can we get this back on to what the post is about.. thanks






Okay

Sept 12,13,14th. 2014 Norwalk Monster Mopar. It exists from what I see that was stated.


Or were you talking about something else?
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 02:55 PM

Quote:

Look at you guys..... Are you serious? This is how people act these days I guess.


As far as the rain out for Indy was concerned, We had full intentions in having a 2 day race again in Indy this year, and the facility was going to help me out with track rental as a show of good faith being that I had essentially been rained out EVERY year I did a race there. Not their fault what so ever, but that was how I was going to afford to allow everyone race for free on Saturday, as I had intended

The issue is now that that doesnt hold true with Kil-Kare as to be expected.

I would love to do something for all the people that showed up to another one of my races and were rained on....again, but Im not exactly sure how I am able to do that. But I am trying to do something that would be fair.

As far as Entry and payouts at Norwalk, they are as follows

Entry is $150.00 for the following classes (THIS IS FOR BOTH SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS RACE)

Big Dog
Super Pro
Pro
NSS
Hemi SS
KOS
Sportsman

Payouts (Both Saturday and Sunday)
Win 1500
RU 500
Semi 300
1/4s 100


AS far as Kil-Kare, I am still trying to structure something that makes good sense and help the racers from Indy who were rained out, but being that we only have Saturday and Sunday at the track time also becomes a sticking point.

The Classes will be exactly the same as Norwalk, but Payout and Entry is tbd. Please be patient---

Josh
317 681 4546
josh@pentastarpromotions.com


Sorry but after a phone conversation I had with another racer last night about some smoke that was blown up his butt as well here it is.

You have had 8 months to think about what you are going to do with Saturdays purse money from indy. Either you spent it or you still have it just tell everyone what you are going to do.
according to this post you need help from a track for some reason.

Why did you not just double the purse on Sunday? Why did you not take care of it at Norwalk like you told me you were going to in front of Scott ,Kelly, Cris, Ron, jr, Rich and Boomer. You told all of us to are faces you were going to handle it at Norwalk.

now it sounds like its not going to happen unless a track helps you come up with the money.

please no maybe this or maybe that, answer the question what will you do? and if the answer is nothing then where is the purse money from Saturday that you did not have to pay out because of the rain? What If it did not rain out? where were going to come up with the purse money for Saturdays race if you did not have it? If you do have it why is it so difficult to decide what to do with it?

Sorry this is not the norm for me do this on a open forum but you had your chance it has been 8 months and I tried to call you many times with no answer.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 03:11 PM

Quote:

hey julian i have been advised and it was explained to me that i have been posting the wrong way. in no way way my post aimed at you i did say that before. it seemed you wouldnt let it go that i bashed you, i will say this one last time it was not aimed personaly at you. now with all that being said i will still stand in fron of you or anyone and say what i have to say swinging distance or not. oh yes the posting info i got was not from mike it was from someone that explained the whole thing to me .



Not even a problem at all, stop in for a beer any time at are trailers my apologies for getting pi$$ed
have a good one, Bruce Gaier
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 04:26 PM

You guys want to hit a big payout bracket race? $50,000 to the winner for a Saturday race. That is for the pro tree. $10,000 to the RU and also $10,000 to the footbrake winner.

Come on down and git you some!

http://www.huntsvilledragway.com/images/Wow_Dragstrip_flyer.gif
Posted By: moparguy7074

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 05:38 PM

Quote:

You guys want to hit a big payout bracket race? $50,000 to the winner for a Saturday race. That is for the pro tree. $10,000 to the RU and also $10,000 to the footbrake winner.

Come on down and git you some!

http://www.huntsvilledragway.com/images/Wow_Dragstrip_flyer.gif




Can the same car and driver run in both classes?
Posted By: old yeller

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 05:55 PM

Quote:

Quote:

some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.




If you dont like the facts then..... tooo bad



If you start messing with a493demon....Your messing with the whole dam trailer park!!!!....
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 06:16 PM

Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 06:41 PM

Quote:

Quote:

You guys want to hit a big payout bracket race? $50,000 to the winner for a Saturday race. That is for the pro tree. $10,000 to the RU and also $10,000 to the footbrake winner.

Come on down and git you some!

http://www.huntsvilledragway.com/images/Wow_Dragstrip_flyer.gif




Can the same car and driver run in both classes?




Why not? If you are serious I will ask around. It is my home track.
Posted By: Eric

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 07:39 PM

Quote:

Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.






Josh am I reading this as if the race is rained out before first round the money will NOT go to the next days purse or be refunded. Is that correct?
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 07:50 PM

No, Eric.... What I am saying is that I will do EVERYTHING I can to refund or payout.....but im not going to be put on the hook to allow people to believe that its an entitlement. Seems we have entitlement issues these days.
Posted By: Sport440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 07:53 PM

Quote:

Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT..

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im sorry I cant control the weather.





Thats a solid enough answer, for those who were wondering.

I hope that info was given before the events tickets were sold, if not, it should be.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 08:30 PM

Quote:

Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.




I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?
2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?
3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 08:46 PM

Quote:

No, Eric.... What I am saying is that I will do EVERYTHING I can to refund or payout.....but im not going to be put on the hook to allow people to believe that its an entitlement. Seems we have entitlement issues these days.




Josh,
You as a promoter are running a business. Any business’ number one priority is to make money. Everyone that attempts to run a business takes a financial risk… it’s the nature of the beast.

I’m sorry for you that your business hasn’t been successful. But it’s NOT an entitlement mentality when people are just asking to get what they pay for.



If you were running a pizza place, would you just take people’s money, and not refund it if the oven broke?

If you were running a repair shop, would you take people’s money for oil changes, and then not refund it if your hoist broke?

If you were running a lemonade stand, would you take people’s money and not refund them if you knocked your lemonade pitcher all over the ground?



If more cars show up then you are planning on at any given future race, will we all get to share in the profits generated from the additional revenue? Of course not!



This is your business… not ours. Your money to make, your money to loose. Don’t put it on US… THE CUSTOMER… to cover your losses.

It's not an entitlement thing Josh. Entitlement indicates that we are asking for something we don’t deserve. When someone pays you for something and you don’t give it to them… it’s called stealing. Which is quite the opposite of entitlement.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 09:15 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.




If you dont like the facts then..... tooo bad



If you start messing with a493demon....Your messing with the whole dam trailer park!!!!....


whats shakin eddie?
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 09:20 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.




I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?

If this conversation happened, I dont remember it Bruce. Were we discussing the Indy Rain Out at Norwalk?

2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?

Bruce, I remember someone asking if we were cutting the purse. I expressed that we would not cut the purse. It would be the same as we posted, but this was in reference to the purse that was set at Norwalk--Not Indy. I couldnt afford to pay the same at Indy as we did at Norwalk. IF I misconstrued that message I apologize.

3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

I remember late Sunday, a racer who had left the payout office, then came back and claimed he was shorted 250 dollars. I dont know who, what class, what car or what he looked like, but I do remember it was late. I reached into my pocket, handed him 250 dollars and apologized. If that was the same guy, then I was the sucker.

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.





I tried to answer the questions below them--- without caps---
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 09:23 PM

Quote:

Quote:

No, Eric.... What I am saying is that I will do EVERYTHING I can to refund or payout.....but im not going to be put on the hook to allow people to believe that its an entitlement. Seems we have entitlement issues these days.




Josh,
You as a promoter are running a business. Any business’ number one priority is to make money. Everyone that attempts to run a business takes a financial risk… it’s the nature of the beast.

I’m sorry for you that your business hasn’t been successful. But it’s NOT an entitlement mentality when people are just asking to get what they pay for.



If you were running a pizza place, would you just take people’s money, and not refund it if the oven broke?

If you were running a repair shop, would you take people’s money for oil changes, and then not refund it if your hoist broke?

If you were running a lemonade stand, would you take people’s money and not refund them if you knocked your lemonade pitcher all over the ground?



If more cars show up then you are planning on at any given future race, will we all get to share in the profits generated from the additional revenue? Of course not!



This is your business… not ours. Your money to make, your money to loose. Don’t put it on US… THE CUSTOMER… to cover your losses.

It's not an entitlement thing Josh. Entitlement ensues that we are asking for something we don’t deserve. When someone pays you for something and you don’t give it to them… it’s called stealing. Which is quite the opposite of entitlement.





extremely well put!!!!!

Example....I own a car lot, and we do OK. Its a tough competitive business. I knew that before we ever opened the doors.
Obviously the idea is to make money, most of the time we do, but sometimes we don't.
I pretty much always put our cars online once we get them, if I don't, they generally just sit here, because we are about 80% internet driven currently.
When we advertise the car, we always put a price, and endeavor to make it a good price...otherwise nobody calls to come look at it.
I have had it happen several times that a given car hasn't been serviced before I put it online( our service provider is backed up, has To order parts...you name it). Sometimes after we get the bill we now own the car for more than its advertised online for.
We certainly don't tell the customer when he comes in..." Hey, with all the work we had to do to it the new price is now..-----...Don't work that way.

Owning a business is a hot kitchen to be in, many businesses fail. It happens. If the kitchen is too hot one should get out of it.
Guess what I am saying is, run it right it will probably work...but it might not..run it wrong, it definitely wont work

But BY FAR... the first and most important business decision is to treat the customer right. Every other item pales in comparison to that.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 09:45 PM

I agree---

If I tell you that its gonna be 50 dollars to race and you show up and its 100 thats wrong


If we get rained out thats not the same---


I guess I set the standard all wrong the first year when it rained and we were able to give a refund....



I guess I assume to much---I assume that everyone knows that it takes every penny we can scrape together to do these shows.

As far as its a business....That is true in some regards, but not 100%. These events do not have the ability to make much more money than to just keep things going.

I didnt take another full time job because I was raking in the dough off the backs of racers---


My point of view is different I guess. If a race brings in enough money to pay the bills plus a little, I want to take whatever that "little" is and stuff it back in the event...food, free stuff, extra races, whatever it takes..trying to just make it better for the people that came---when the event gets hammered with weather, im going to do the best i can with what i have--- and until race tracks are free, or people actually start putting up some money to sponsor these deals its not going to be a Tenn Tuck or a Baby million or any other race---Not to mention its 600-$1,500 to enter a race like that, which people always forget to mention
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:00 PM

Quote:

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Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.




I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?

If this conversation happened, I dont remember it Bruce. Were we discussing the Indy Rain Out at Norwalk?

2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?

Bruce, I remember someone asking if we were cutting the purse. I expressed that we would not cut the purse. It would be the same as we posted, but this was in reference to the purse that was set at Norwalk--Not Indy. I couldnt afford to pay the same at Indy as we did at Norwalk. IF I misconstrued that message I apologize.

3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

I remember late Sunday, a racer who had left the payout office, then came back and claimed he was shorted 250 dollars. I dont know who, what class, what car or what he looked like, but I do remember it was late. I reached into my pocket, handed him 250 dollars and apologized. If that was the same guy, then I was the sucker.

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.





I tried to answer the questions below them--- without caps---




We were discussing what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in the office at indy. When You handed me my three way split money for Sundays race at indy I asked you what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in front of Chris, Kelly, Scott, Tony, Jr, Boomer, Ron and many others you said " don't worry guys I will do something at Norwalk to take care of it maybe a bonus race"

I never wanted the money for nothing the Idea is race for it but it don't sound like myself or anyone else will be given that chance.

You really gave some random guy 250.00 who you did not know because he said you owed it to him without investigating it?? If its that easy I want all my money you owe 3000.00 should do it

Why can you remember some cat you don't know asking for 250.00 but you Can't seem to recall are conversation in the office at indy where there were over a dozen racers you know listening to you reassuring us we would be taken care of at Norwalk??

With lame a$$ answers like these you should run for office you would fit in perfectly.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:08 PM

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Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.




I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?

If this conversation happened, I dont remember it Bruce. Were we discussing the Indy Rain Out at Norwalk?

2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?

Bruce, I remember someone asking if we were cutting the purse. I expressed that we would not cut the purse. It would be the same as we posted, but this was in reference to the purse that was set at Norwalk--Not Indy. I couldnt afford to pay the same at Indy as we did at Norwalk. IF I misconstrued that message I apologize.

3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

I remember late Sunday, a racer who had left the payout office, then came back and claimed he was shorted 250 dollars. I dont know who, what class, what car or what he looked like, but I do remember it was late. I reached into my pocket, handed him 250 dollars and apologized. If that was the same guy, then I was the sucker.

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.





I tried to answer the questions below them--- without caps---




We were discussing what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in the office at indy. When You handed me my three way split money for Sundays race at indy I asked you what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in front of Chris, Kelly, Scott, Tony, Jr, Boomer, Ron and many others you said " don't worry guys I will do something at Norwalk to take care of it maybe a bonus race"

I never wanted the money for nothing the Idea is race for it but it don't sound like myself or anyone else will be given that chance.

You really gave some random guy 250.00 who you did not know because he said you owed it to him without investigating it?? If its that easy I want all my money you owe 3000.00 should do it

Why can you remember some cat you don't know asking for 250.00 but you Can't seem to recall are conversation in the office at indy where there were over a dozen racers you know listening to you reassuring us we would be taken care of at Norwalk??




The way i was reading what you wrote was that we all discussed Indys rainout at Norwalk in teh payout booth---that i didnt remember

I do remember us all talking about the rain out at Indy. What do you want me to say Bruce? Where could we have fit in any extra racing...we struggled getting anything finished----
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:10 PM

He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:15 PM

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I agree---

If I tell you that its gonna be 50 dollars to race and you show up and its 100 thats wrong


If we get rained out thats not the same---


I guess I set the standard all wrong the first year when it rained and we were able to give a refund....



I guess I assume to much---I assume that everyone knows that it takes every penny we can scrape together to do these shows.

As far as its a business....That is true in some regards, but not 100%. These events do not have the ability to make much more money than to just keep things going.

I didnt take another full time job because I was raking in the dough off the backs of racers---


My point of view is different I guess. If a race brings in enough money to pay the bills plus a little, I want to take whatever that "little" is and stuff it back in the event...food, free stuff, extra races, whatever it takes..trying to just make it better for the people that came---when the event gets hammered with weather, im going to do the best i can with what i have--- and until race tracks are free, or people actually start putting up some money to sponsor these deals its not going to be a Tenn Tuck or a Baby million or any other race---Not to mention its 600-$1,500 to enter a race like that, which people always forget to mention





Well put, Josh.......

Communicate, provide a good product, stand behind any promises you make, and treat the customer right...and happiness is bound to follow..
Its no secret not everybody is ever going to be happy...I have learned that the hard way at times....but what you can do is make sure the other 99% are in the loop and feel like they got a fair shake....

I have a TOTAL of 1 Google review of my business( 4 years so far). Young kid came in on a turbo car we had just got and hadn't serviced. Before he took off with it to take it to his friends shop to be looked at, I specifically told him.." I am not a mechanic, I have no idea what it might need once we get it looked at so bear that in mind, otherwise come back in a week or so when its done".

He came back with a long laundry list of stuff, called me a crook and left......few weeks later he writes a nasty google review stating I tried to sell him an 11,000 car that was a turd.......Moral of the story, just teach to the middle of the class, that is by far what makes up the majority of your customer base...
Posted By: old yeller

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:25 PM

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He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.


Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....
Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:28 PM

All this is why....this is MOPARTS.,

Is 75.00 really that much to a bunch of grown men???

Josh, do me a favor...KEEP MY $75.00 as a donation, this way you can afford to keep putting on these races. You have given me enough already in memories, and a little prize money here and there, at least paid my fuel and expenses. Are all these guys "professional" racers??? Im just as broke and down on money as anyone else on here....
Give me a damn break,

AND even IF josh pocketed 20 or 30k per race,,,,WHY SHOULDNT HE ???
Its a LOT of time, and energy on his part to make it happen , as im sure any promoter.

You all (guys that are comlaining) should think about what is more important to you,,,,Mopar races or 75.00

Rant over

signed TONY RUSSO
Posted By: old yeller

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:29 PM

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some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.




If you dont like the facts then..... tooo bad



If you start messing with a493demon....Your messing with the whole dam trailer park!!!!....


whats shakin eddie?


Were having a meeting 2night at the trailer park....U in?...a493demon is are quest speaker
Posted By: Whompin_Wedge

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:31 PM

Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculus?

This is not aimed at you Bruce.. I understand you have your own issues with the races.

People seem to forget that Josh paid us for a FREE race when it was called two years ago. I didnt see anybody complaining when they were waiting in line for hours for FREE food either. Maybe I am the only one looking at the brighter side here, or maybe I am just stupid. And you are right Josh is running a business, but I would bet he isn't making anything on it. The way I look at this is he is doing us a favor. He is sticking his neck out to put on some bada$$ races that only a few people are willing to do. If it weren't for rain I bet no one would be complaining because they had the time of there life and all of these races.

Heck, our car broke after the first pass Saturday at Norwalk. Still had a great time even with the rain... Its 75 bucks guys.. Ease up a bit.

Rant off... Let the bashing commence!

Casey
Posted By: slippery440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:32 PM

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All this is why....this is MOPARTS.,

Is 75.00 really that much to a bunch of grown men???

Josh, do me a favor...KEEP MY $75.00 as a donation, this way you can afford to keep putting on these races. You have given me enough already in memories, and a little prize money here and there, at least paid my fuel and expenses. Are all these guys "professional" racers??? Im just as broke and down on money as anyone else on here....
Give me a damn break,

AND even IF josh pocketed 20 or 30k per race,,,,WHY SHOULDNT HE ???
Its a LOT of time, and energy on his part to make it happen , as im sure any promoter.

You all (guys that are comlaining) should think about what is more important to you,,,,Mopar races or 75.00

Rant over

signed TONY RUSSO




AND Theres the nut huggers to the rescue. Someone takes 10 bucks from someone thats stealing.Go back and hang out on the other web site if you don't like the moparts people.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:40 PM

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I agree---

If I tell you that its gonna be 50 dollars to race and you show up and its 100 thats wrong




Wait... weren't you the one that advertised a purse, and then lowered it when people showed up?





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If we get rained out thats not the same---





How is it not the same? It's no different then going to a concert. Either you get a makek up date, or you get your money back.

The racers paid money for a product, that you didn't deliver (regardless of who's fault it was). If you don't like the financial risk of what might happen on a rain out. Either:

A) Take the issue up with the track.

or

B) Don't take the financial risk in the first place promoting a race.

What you can't do is tell everyone after the fact that you can't afford to take the loss, and then expect the racing comunity to cover you.






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I guess I set the standard all wrong the first year when it rained and we were able to give a refund....




No you got the standard right. This is what normal tracks do, and normal race weekends consist of.


You have to get out of the mentality that you did the racers a FAVOR by giving us our money back after not giving us a race. It was not a "favor", it was not "above and beyond", it should have been automatic to give people their money back since you couldn't deliver the race.


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As far as its a business....That is true in some regards, but not 100%. These events do not have the ability to make much more money than to just keep things going...

...If a race brings in enough money to pay the bills plus a little, I want to take whatever that "little" is and stuff it back in the event...food, free stuff, extra races, whatever it takes..trying to just make it better for the people that came




While that is very nobile of you, it's a business model that will put you out of business every time, piss a lot of people off in the process, and ruin your reputation.

We are not business partners with you. We are your customers.

We don't expect you to share in your profits, nor will we accept the burden to share your losses.

If you put on a good show and treat people right, the racers will come.

We don't need free hot dogs, hamburgers, concerts, etc...

Set decent payouts, set fair entry fee's, run the show efficently, and people will be happy to race.

All of that being said. I am grateful that anyone puts on a race, car show, or any other type of mopar event. I appreciate anyones efforts of doing so.

But you gotta stop trying to put on a $300 show with a $150 entry fee or you're never gonna make it.
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:45 PM

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Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.




I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?

If this conversation happened, I dont remember it Bruce. Were we discussing the Indy Rain Out at Norwalk?

2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?

Bruce, I remember someone asking if we were cutting the purse. I expressed that we would not cut the purse. It would be the same as we posted, but this was in reference to the purse that was set at Norwalk--Not Indy. I couldnt afford to pay the same at Indy as we did at Norwalk. IF I misconstrued that message I apologize.

3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

I remember late Sunday, a racer who had left the payout office, then came back and claimed he was shorted 250 dollars. I dont know who, what class, what car or what he looked like, but I do remember it was late. I reached into my pocket, handed him 250 dollars and apologized. If that was the same guy, then I was the sucker.

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.





I tried to answer the questions below them--- without caps---




We were discussing what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in the office at indy. When You handed me my three way split money for Sundays race at indy I asked you what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in front of Chris, Kelly, Scott, Tony, Jr, Boomer, Ron and many others you said " don't worry guys I will do something at Norwalk to take care of it maybe a bonus race"

I never wanted the money for nothing the Idea is race for it but it don't sound like myself or anyone else will be given that chance.

You really gave some random guy 250.00 who you did not know because he said you owed it to him without investigating it?? If its that easy I want all my money you owe 3000.00 should do it

Why can you remember some cat you don't know asking for 250.00 but you Can't seem to recall are conversation in the office at indy where there were over a dozen racers you know listening to you reassuring us we would be taken care of at Norwalk??




The way i was reading what you wrote was that we all discussed Indys rainout at Norwalk in teh payout booth---that i didnt remember

I do remember us all talking about the rain out at Indy. What do you want me to say Bruce? Where could we have fit in any extra racing...we struggled getting anything finished----




Scott talked to the Sunday quick winner Pinkerton, do you really want to go with the some random guy said you shorted him answer?

So you had the bread to do a race to pay us back the purse money, just not the time. That's cool you should still have that money so add it to the purse at kilkare and give it to those who show up.

count us out for good.
Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:46 PM

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All this is why....this is MOPARTS.,

Is 75.00 really that much to a bunch of grown men???

Josh, do me a favor...KEEP MY $75.00 as a donation, this way you can afford to keep putting on these races. You have given me enough already in memories, and a little prize money here and there, at least paid my fuel and expenses. Are all these guys "professional" racers??? Im just as broke and down on money as anyone else on here....
Give me a damn break,

AND even IF josh pocketed 20 or 30k per race,,,,WHY SHOULDNT HE ???
Its a LOT of time, and energy on his part to make it happen , as im sure any promoter.

You all (guys that are comlaining) should think about what is more important to you,,,,Mopar races or 75.00

Rant over

signed TONY RUSSO




AND Theres the nut huggers to the rescue. Someone takes 10 bucks from someone thats stealing.Go back and hang out on the other web site if you don't like the moparts people.




nuthugger? all I will say is this....
its hard for you or anyone else to understand, because you don't show up to these races...
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:52 PM

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Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculus?

This is not aimed at you Bruce.. I understand you have your own issues with the races.

People seem to forget that Josh paid us for a FREE race when it was called two years ago. I didnt see anybody complaining when they were waiting in line for hours for FREE food either. Maybe I am the only one looking at the brighter side here, or maybe I am just stupid. And you are right Josh is running a business, but I would bet he isn't making anything on it. The way I look at this is he is doing us a favor. He is sticking his neck out to put on some bada$$ races that only a few people are willing to do. If it weren't for rain I bet no one would be complaining because they had the time of there life and all of these races.

Heck, our car broke after the first pass Saturday at Norwalk. Still had a great time even with the rain... Its 75 bucks guys.. Ease up a bit.

Rant off... Let the bashing commence!

Casey



Casey its cool, hope you get what you want out of his races and hope to see you at other races this year ,you have a cool car and my kids like the wheel stands
Bruce Gaier
Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:53 PM

slippery440 , haven't you been hating on these heads up races since Gary put the one on in KY ?

Your car don't fit the 10.5 rules? But you want to race the class?

WHy are you so involved in this if you don't even show up to these races>?

Just asking
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:56 PM

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He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.


Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....




I ordered a block and rotating kit from him (Indy CH) last Summer. They sent me the work order. It stated on the document that they were to deck the block to 10.720 - it was not done as the deck was rough like it came from World products. The document said they would balance the rotating assy - it wasn't done. Builder had to take a ton of material off the crank to get it balanced. Also stated 13-1 on the documentation and the custom pistons came in at 14-1. I bitched about the work I paid for that wasn't done. He said to send in the bill from my builder which I did - they (he) ignored it.

And besides, it's a Demon.

I can't wait to meet this guy in person. In the meanwhile add me to the list of people who have been ripped off by Josh and Indy. Talking to Russ is like talking to the wall BTW. Once they have your money it's too late. I came close to filing 3 charges of federal (interstate) wire fraud.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 10:57 PM

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Its real simple---

Weekend Calls for Rain----People DONT COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ITS 100% CHANCE FOR RAIN----FEWER PEOPLE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT RAINS YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING AT ALL---NO REFUND--NO DOUBLE PAYOUT--NO FREE ENTRY--NOTHING ITS A RAIN OUT...People dont come to car shows swap meets or drag races in the rain and with out people there is no money--- With your train of thought I should just set the payouts based on tech cards for the class and you can just race for what the class brings in for revenue---

But I try to do as much as I can with what I have---sorry if it doesnt always benefit you or your friends or the group---Its simply put the best decision overall at the time---

WHEN IT RAINS AND I HAVE TO CALL THE RACE BEFORE THE FIRST CAR GOES DOWN THE TRACK---ITS A RAIN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At some point in this game, I have to protect myself, if you dont like that Im sorry.

If I could have doubled the purse, I would have---If I would have had the money to send everyone a refund, I would have....BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

35,000 Just in track rental for that weekend Bruce--Rain or no Rain. That doesnt change.

First year we had enough Race Cars, Show Cars, Spectators and vendors show up that I could pay the bills and offer a refund. This year I didnt. I still took a bath on the deal but thats neither here nor there

Every year the rain out has been handled in the best possible way I could handle it.

I guess the last thing I have to say about it is this.

Im willing to shell out as much cash as I can personally afford to at these races. Up to the point that it would be either a detriment to the next race or to my family. If that does not suffice, than I have no answer for you.

I dont own the facility, no one puts money in to make these happen. Its my pocket, so you are correct when you say that if we would have raced Saturday, there would have been a purse to pay.....but that would mean the weather would have been significantly better and it wouldnt have been an issue. Im sorry I cant control the weather.




I still do not see a answer

1) Why did you tell myself, Cris, Kelly, Scott, Jr, Tony, Rich and boomer you were going to do something at Norwalk to take care of Saturdays purse? If what you say is true You knew you did not have the bread to do anything at Norwalk. Did you just say that to get us out of the pay office?

If this conversation happened, I dont remember it Bruce. Were we discussing the Indy Rain Out at Norwalk?

2) You told us in are pit area at Norwalk the purse was the same as indy and not cut when in fact it was, why?

Bruce, I remember someone asking if we were cutting the purse. I expressed that we would not cut the purse. It would be the same as we posted, but this was in reference to the purse that was set at Norwalk--Not Indy. I couldnt afford to pay the same at Indy as we did at Norwalk. IF I misconstrued that message I apologize.

3) The Sunday quick champion and runner up was paid 2250.00 to split on a 1500.00 to win and 750.00 to runner scale after they complained. We split the quick purse on Saturday after the accident and it was on a 1500.00 to win and 500.00 to runner scale. What the he11 is that about?

I remember late Sunday, a racer who had left the payout office, then came back and claimed he was shorted 250 dollars. I dont know who, what class, what car or what he looked like, but I do remember it was late. I reached into my pocket, handed him 250 dollars and apologized. If that was the same guy, then I was the sucker.

Strait to the point answers please no LOUD CAPS, just honest answers to honest questions.
My gang spent to the tune of over 10,000 dollars at your events and I think we are owed a strait big boy pants answer.

But before you answer remember there were lots of people who witnessed these events, people who I consider friends and strangers alike so don't say they did not happen.





I tried to answer the questions below them--- without caps---




We were discussing what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in the office at indy. When You handed me my three way split money for Sundays race at indy I asked you what you were going to do with Saturdays rain out purse in front of Chris, Kelly, Scott, Tony, Jr, Boomer, Ron and many others you said " don't worry guys I will do something at Norwalk to take care of it maybe a bonus race"

I never wanted the money for nothing the Idea is race for it but it don't sound like myself or anyone else will be given that chance.

You really gave some random guy 250.00 who you did not know because he said you owed it to him without investigating it?? If its that easy I want all my money you owe 3000.00 should do it

Why can you remember some cat you don't know asking for 250.00 but you Can't seem to recall are conversation in the office at indy where there were over a dozen racers you know listening to you reassuring us we would be taken care of at Norwalk??




The way i was reading what you wrote was that we all discussed Indys rainout at Norwalk in teh payout booth---that i didnt remember

I do remember us all talking about the rain out at Indy. What do you want me to say Bruce? Where could we have fit in any extra racing...we struggled getting anything finished----




Scott talked to the Sunday quick winner Pinkerton, do you really want to go with the some random guy said you shorted him answer?

So you had the bread to do a race to pay us back the purse money, just not the time. That's cool you should still have that money so add it to the purse at kilkare and give it to those who show up.

count us out for good.





Bruce thats your choice---but i still dont know who pinkerton is....sorry... If he was the guy who was looking for the money then he is the guy I paid. Thats just another lesson learned.
Posted By: old yeller

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 11:03 PM

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He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.


Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....




I ordered a block and rotating kit from him (Indy CH) last Summer. They sent me the work order. It stated on the document that they were to deck the block to 10.720 - it was not done as the deck was rough like it came from World products. The document said they would balance the rotating assy - it wasn't done. Builder had to take a ton of material off the crank to get it balanced. Also stated 13-1 on the documentation and the custom pistons came in at 14-1. I bitched about the work I paid for that wasn't done. He said to send in the bill from my builder which I did - they (he) ignored it.

And besides, it's a Demon.

I can't wait to meet this guy in person. In the meanwhile add me to the list of people who have been ripped off by Josh and Indy. Talking to Russ is like talking to the wall BTW. Once they have your money it's too late. I came close to filing 3 charges of federal (interstate) wire fraud.


A DEMON!!...You could get a slant 6 in a "DEMON"....Sorry I just don't get it with you "DEMON" folks
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 11:46 PM

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He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.


Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....




I ordered a block and rotating kit from him (Indy CH) last Summer. They sent me the work order. It stated on the document that they were to deck the block to 10.720 - it was not done as the deck was rough like it came from World products. The document said they would balance the rotating assy - it wasn't done. Builder had to take a ton of material off the crank to get it balanced. Also stated 13-1 on the documentation and the custom pistons came in at 14-1. I bitched about the work I paid for that wasn't done. He said to send in the bill from my builder which I did - they (he) ignored it.

And besides, it's a Demon.

I can't wait to meet this guy in person. In the meanwhile add me to the list of people who have been ripped off by Josh and Indy. Talking to Russ is like talking to the wall BTW. Once they have your money it's too late. I came close to filing 3 charges of federal (interstate) wire fraud.


A DEMON!!...You could get a slant 6 in a "DEMON"....Sorry I just don't get it with you "DEMON" folks




Mine was a /6, a butterscotch one at that. What's your point? Should a guy cut up a GSS 340 4 sp to make a race car from?

Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/13/14 11:54 PM

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some of you guy's sound like betty white when your hungry.
here have a snickers.




If you dont like the facts then..... tooo bad



If you start messing with a493demon....Your messing with the whole dam trailer park!!!!....


whats shakin eddie?


Were having a meeting 2night at the trailer park....U in?...a493demon is are quest speaker


is there gonna be kool aid? i like grape count me in .
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 12:05 AM

im not sure what josh's role or capacity is ther at ich but they havent had a good rep before josh went to work there. alot of ppl order through dealers rather that ich direct. perhaps you should have done research about there ethics before ordering? maybe order through bg or another dealer. i hope i hit the right button this time .
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 12:15 AM

Nope you hit the wrong one. You were talking to yourself instead of airwoofer. What the heck is an airwoofer?
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 12:28 AM

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Nope you hit the wrong one. You were talking to yourself instead of airwoofer. What the heck is an airwoofer?


@#$%^&*())(*&^%$#$YUYT%^&*&^%^&* buttons. airwoofer= high speed window fan?
Posted By: old yeller

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 12:29 AM

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He is just as dishonest with the customers at Indy CH.


Don't stop there....Has Josh been dishonest with you?...Cause I'm a customer of his and he has "NEVER" been dishonest with me...Could it be he doesn't like dusters?....




I ordered a block and rotating kit from him (Indy CH) last Summer. They sent me the work order. It stated on the document that they were to deck the block to 10.720 - it was not done as the deck was rough like it came from World products. The document said they would balance the rotating assy - it wasn't done. Builder had to take a ton of material off the crank to get it balanced. Also stated 13-1 on the documentation and the custom pistons came in at 14-1. I bitched about the work I paid for that wasn't done. He said to send in the bill from my builder which I did - they (he) ignored it.

And besides, it's a Demon.

I can't wait to meet this guy in person. In the meanwhile add me to the list of people who have been ripped off by Josh and Indy. Talking to Russ is like talking to the wall BTW. Once they have your money it's too late. I came close to filing 3 charges of federal (interstate) wire fraud.


A DEMON!!...You could get a slant 6 in a "DEMON"....Sorry I just don't get it with you "DEMON" folks




Mine was a /6, a butterscotch one at that. What's your point? Should a guy cut up a GSS 340 4 sp to make a race car from?




"YAWN"....
Posted By: cudaboy

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 12:54 AM

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LOL!!!!!

Dennis
Posted By: slippery440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 01:14 AM

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All this is why....this is MOPARTS.,

Is 75.00 really that much to a bunch of grown men???

Josh, do me a favor...KEEP MY $75.00 as a donation, this way you can afford to keep putting on these races. You have given me enough already in memories, and a little prize money here and there, at least paid my fuel and expenses. Are all these guys "professional" racers??? Im just as broke and down on money as anyone else on here....
Give me a damn break,

AND even IF josh pocketed 20 or 30k per race,,,,WHY SHOULDNT HE ???
Its a LOT of time, and energy on his part to make it happen , as im sure any promoter.

You all (guys that are comlaining) should think about what is more important to you,,,,Mopar races or 75.00

Rant over

signed TONY RUSSO




AND Theres the nut huggers to the rescue. Someone takes 10 bucks from someone thats stealing.Go back and hang out on the other web site if you don't like the moparts people.




nuthugger? all I will say is this....
its hard for you or anyone else to understand, because you don't show up to these races...




I stoped drinking the kool aid three years ago when he treated the bracket racer like a deformed human. Then two years ago he was called on a bad debt from a sponsor from the year before rain out. Can you not see a pattern?
Posted By: STEFF

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 01:22 AM

The way I always saw it was, going to a race was a social event and the racing was a bonus. I never looked as though if it rained out I was owed something. Its the risk you take. Win some, loose some.

I think the easiest resolution for Josh is to either institute a no refunds policy from here on out, or look into a rain out insurance policy. The dude from Full Throttle Saloon in Sturgis takes out a rain out insurance policy to cover lost revenue during Sturgis Bike Week.

See you at Norwalk Josh!
Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 01:37 AM

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The way I always saw it was, going to a race was a social event and the racing was a bonus. I never looked as though if it rained out I was owed something. Its the risk you take. Win some, loose some.

I think the easiest resolution for Josh is to either institute a no refunds policy from here on out, or look into a rain out insurance policy. The dude from Full Throttle Saloon in Sturgis takes out a rain out insurance policy to cover lost revenue during Sturgis Bike Week.

See you at Norwalk Josh!





Exactly, and what some feel to see, is that if Josh gave out free entry. He would have to make up for his loss with higher entry fees at the next race. No business just accepts a loss, they increase prices to cover "expenses"
Posted By: Super Scamp

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 01:39 AM

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Nope you hit the wrong one. You were talking to yourself instead of airwoofer. What the heck is an airwoofer?


@#$%^&*())(*&^%$#$YUYT%^&*&^%^&* buttons. airwoofer= high speed window fan?




Bill, glad you can still see the buttons.
Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 01:47 AM

The OP asked what was going to be the state of the Norwalk event and it went off on a road of serious questions of the $75 entry fee for the Indy event that got rained out. Everyone who attented were apparently told the tech cards would be held until next years event and they would recieve free entry from Josh. Now theres no Indy so no money/free entry,sad. You want to compare apples to apples, when Martin was cancelled cause of rain a few years ago Charlie B. gave everyone who attended a discounted rate for Norwalk-no bs of it being a different track just tried to rectify it somehow. Was there issues with that?? of course, like keeping everyones spectator fees but at least there was a discount,was everybody happy?? no and not going to be. You guys who keep saying that people are whining about the $75 obviously have it to burn and like I said before good for you but dont put everyone else in your world unless you can pay for them too! There was never a complaint from anyone about how much it was, you guys donating it made that part up. BTW do I want Josh or any event to fail? of course not, we need as many events as possible for everyone to enjoy.Just need to have clarification and good communications as to what the game plans are and what the rules are!! Not answers after the races are over.Gotta go, heard there was a cool-aid drinking contest
Posted By: Whompin_Wedge

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 02:48 AM

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The way I always saw it was, going to a race was a social event and the racing was a bonus. I never looked as though if it rained out I was owed something. Its the risk you take. Win some, loose some.

I think the easiest resolution for Josh is to either institute a no refunds policy from here on out, or look into a rain out insurance policy. The dude from Full Throttle Saloon in Sturgis takes out a rain out insurance policy to cover lost revenue during Sturgis Bike Week.

See you at Norwalk Josh!




Well said.

Casey
Posted By: old yeller

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:14 AM

On a serious note...I can understand some of your people's complaints....$75.00 is still $75.00...From a Heads up Racer,$75.00 ain't chit....to a BRKT racer $75.00 is alot,@ the time josh did say he was giveing out rain checks(for next years indy event)....Did he know that their was not going to be a indy event the next year(i don't think so)and if he did...then shame on him,I've known josh since he was a kid....HE CARES ABOUT MOPARS AND PEOPLE...and yes he tends to support the heads up racer's...but he also does the same for the brkt guys and the show car folks...the only diff is heads up racers don't cry as much..and WE GET TREATED LIKE CHIT @ his EVENTS...CAUSE YOU FOLKS COME FIRST....Last year i got so sick and tired of waiting around for you folks to get done racing so we could make a pass(thats why i wont be racing at any josh's events this year)my time is just as imporant as you brkt racer's....but you brkt racer's seem to be the biggest cry baby's out there...and to the people that [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] about josh and have never supported him at any of his events....You have no dog in this fight...Your just hater's with a opinion and opinions are like ass holes everybody got one...but you guys didn't spend the money to hate on josh...and YOU know who you are
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:23 AM

I'm going to have a couple of shots of Fireball whiskey and reread this later to see if it makes more sense. I'm just glad I have a Mopar race in my backyard again. Thanks AJ and Bob.
Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:45 AM

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On a serious note...I can understand some of your people's complaints....$75.00 is still $75.00...From a Heads up Racer,$75.00 ain't chit....to a BRKT racer $75.00 is alot,@ the time josh did say he was giveing out rain checks(for next years indy event)....Did he know that their was not going to be a indy event the next year(i don't think so)and if he did...then shame on him,I've known josh since he was a kid....HE CARES ABOUT MOPARS AND PEOPLE...and yes he tends to support the heads up racer's...but he also does the same for the brkt guys and the show car folks...the only diff is heads up racers don't cry as much..and WE GET TREATED LIKE CHIT @ his EVENTS...CAUSE YOU FOLKS COME FIRST....Last year i got so sick and tired of waiting around for you folks to get done racing so we could make a pass(thats why i wont be racing at any josh's events this year)my time is just as imporant as you brkt racer's....but you brkt racer's seem to be the biggest cry baby's out there...and to the people that [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] about josh and have never supported him at any of his events....You have no dog in this fight...Your just hater's with a opinion and opinions are like ass holes everybody got one...but you guys didn't spend the money to hate on josh...and YOU know who you are




Isn't tonight Thursday ? Your not drunk ? Good post ! Lol
Posted By: dvw

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:47 AM

Well now that I've had my post go for quite some time, here's what I've learned.
#1 There will be a Norwalk Race.
#2 Even though there is a Kil-Kare race we don't know the entry or payout.
#3 Those who supported last years Indy race will help support this years series by being financial sponsors.
#4 $75 is a drop in the bucket
#5 If you sit at Kil-Kare or Norwalk during a rain out you are not "entitled" to anything but a good time drinking with your buddy"s.
#6 searching both Fast Mopar and Monster Mopar sites reveal no pertantent information to either race.
Armed with this information I can now make informed choices when setting up my racing schedule.
My racing carrier has spanned better than 25 years. I've been through many rain outs. This is the first and only time that I haven't either received a rain check, cash back, drawing time cards, practice tree race or an additional purse.

Doug
2014 Monster Mopar associate sponsor
Posted By: Eric

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:48 AM

I will just say I have never raced a race where if there was a rain out I was not refunded or given a rain check. I realize it takes a lot of dedication to run a race like this and the weather is a huge factor....but...it's a feast or famine business. You are not the only person with a loss on a rain out. Consider the fuel and other costs the racer incurs traveling to a race like yours. I have said my peace....now I will decide if I will attend or pass. Good luck with your endeavors either way
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:58 AM

In 38 plus years of racing I've drawn cards for a winner, been handed a rain check, cash, and had money rolled over into the next days race. But never ever has anybody ever blown smoke down my back and said poop happens. Thanks for coming.
Posted By: 64hemi330sedan

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 04:06 AM

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The way I always saw it was, going to a race was a social event and the racing was a bonus. I never looked as though if it rained out I was owed something. Its the risk you take. Win some, loose some.

I think the easiest resolution for Josh is to either institute a no refunds policy from here on out, or look into a rain out insurance policy. The dude from Full Throttle Saloon in Sturgis takes out a rain out insurance policy to cover lost revenue during Sturgis Bike Week.

See you at Norwalk Josh!


lol! you must be one of those so called hobby racers like me that a couple of fellows were talking about earlier.
Posted By: moparguy7074

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 04:34 AM

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You guys want to hit a big payout bracket race? $50,000 to the winner for a Saturday race. That is for the pro tree. $10,000 to the RU and also $10,000 to the footbrake winner.

Come on down and git you some!

http://www.huntsvilledragway.com/images/Wow_Dragstrip_flyer.gif




Can the same car and driver run in both classes?




Why not? If you are serious I will ask around. It is my home track.




I am serious. My car will be ready by the end of this month.
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 02:19 PM

The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?
Posted By: old_racer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 02:46 PM

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I will just say I have never raced a race where if there was a rain out I was not refunded or given a rain check. I realize it takes a lot of dedication to run a race like this and the weather is a huge factor....but...it's a feast or famine business. You are not the only person with a loss on a rain out. Consider the fuel and other costs the racer incurs traveling to a race like yours. I have said my peace....now I will decide if I will attend or pass. Good luck with your endeavors either way




speaking of travel and cost we drove 8hr one way, I entered two classes, I know a couple of guys that entered 3, so now it's not $75 anymore it's like 1/2 the fuel cost home. I'm not going to see any return cause the new tracks are farther away still and that's ok. What would have made it better is hearing on the PA system "well guys we got rain today and I know you have some money in this so I'm going to raise tomorrow's payout to $2000 to win" (or whatever number). I think most everyone would have been saying boy that Josh is a stand up guy he's taking care of us. the biggest thing is that it would have been over that weekend, done deal like the outcome or not,move on to the next race. but that's all water under the bridge now.
Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:01 PM

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I will just say I have never raced a race where if there was a rain out I was not refunded or given a rain check. I realize it takes a lot of dedication to run a race like this and the weather is a huge factor....but...it's a feast or famine business. You are not the only person with a loss on a rain out. Consider the fuel and other costs the racer incurs traveling to a race like yours. I have said my peace....now I will decide if I will attend or pass. Good luck with your endeavors either way




Well damn it let me get in my too!!!!

The way I look at these "Special events" is this is a track rental ---- Josh does NOT own the track and he has to pay for the weekend if he uses the facility or not. If he owned the track and could accomodate everyone some other weekend I'm sure he would but thats not the case. Look at it this way - you go rent a condo out on the beach for you and your wife/girlfriend to go have a fantastic weekend relaxing out on the beach. Then you wake up Saturday morning and out of no where comes a hurricain and you have to leave and not be able to go back through the weekend - do the people have to give you another weekend for FREE??? They are all booked up for the next 2 years and no weekends available. Do they have to refund your $$$ because of an act of god??? You rented a power washer for a weekend to wash down the house but the thunderstorms came and you could not get outside to safely wash down the house so does that mean you get free rental from Home Depot the next time you have the time to wash down your house??

You pay you take the chance to race (at these special events). I missed the first year the race was held at Indy because I decided not to make the trip because of the forecasted weather. Guess what they raced and I was at home... Then I went and it rained but again so what at least I was not sitting at home. If I was to worry about anything it would be why did I spend $500.00 or more in expenses to go to a race when I thought there would be a chance of a rain out. The entry fee is nothing compared to the expenses. Now I'm sure the payout $$$ could have been handled a different way and maybe next time it will be and if not oh well.

My only beefs are:
1. why is KK only an 1/8 mile race when I am pretty sure they can handle a 1/4 mile race.
2. Why did Bird not share any of his Jack with me

See ya at Norwalk for sure and KK to be determined


Russ
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:11 PM

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Nope you hit the wrong one. You were talking to yourself instead of airwoofer. What the heck is an airwoofer?


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Bill, glad you can still see the buttons.


im not that old yet.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:17 PM

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you mean like charlie,so he can cut the purses without notifing anyone?
Posted By: swifter

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 03:26 PM

After reading this thread in it's entirely I can see both sides of the issue some of you have with how these event's occurred and played out,I for one have been to three of these events on the "show" car side and now we are about to start on the racing side of things just purchasing a 67 dedicated strip car,The one thing a outsider takes from these threads is the response from the promoter and I have meet Josh personally at each event and talked with him,I own a small business here in Wis. and in these last 5 years of our nation's economy there has NEVER been a time such as this that the customer is KING,you simply have to appease the customer PERIOD.Guy's we are the CUSTOMER and his first couple responses kinda come off as because a complaint was raised he got entirely defensive in his comments which is HUMAN to do at a first reaction,I have probably watched most of you go down the track and we are lucky to have some of the most powerful and unique cars in the world!!!!!! As a business man I seek to improve my customer relations on a daily basis and I do make mistakes daily but we move forward and learn from it!!!! and I don't know if that's happening with these events,listen it will be the 7th (i think) event he has put on,By now it should be like a iron skillet and it seems it's NOT.These races SHOULD go on like clockwork by now and there not,So Josh you said NO ONE see's what goes on behind closed doors and your right we don't BUT!,It seems you need HELP so ask for HELP and GET help,The Mopar community has MORE than supported you from the start-DON'T LOSE A GOOD THING and don't take for granted that your pit's will be full just because,Most of us have treated you with dignity and respect and all we ask is the SAME.NOW get your ass in gear and get this promoted !!!!!!!! Steve (aka Swifter)
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 04:41 PM

This post is to everyone and anyone who wants to read or listen.
I do not care about the 75.00 my problem is what happened to the Saturday 2013 indy purse money only.

As Josh stated, he did remember telling myself and others that he would try to do something ay Norwalk to take care of indys Saturday purse but didn't have time.

Why not just up the purse for all the classes at Norwalk to pay out the money he was given an indy? There is only one reason I can think of, what about the people who were at indy and Not Norwalk that's not fair, that would be a valid point if is was NOT a points series but it is a points series or at lease we were told it was.

The rain out was a excuse to pocket Saturdays purse period. Eight months ago this happened and he still is dancing around the subject. It is perfectly clear to me he is hoping people will forget over time they were taken advantage of so he can keep the money.

If a guy knocks you over and your wallet falls out and he takes 75.00 from it and leaves the rest of your money alone and gives your wallet back it is still stealing.

There is no risk in attending any event be it track run or promoter run if you pay for a service the business operator be it track owner or promoter owes you goods or services for your money period.

I did not pay for a place to hang out, it was not a 75.00 cover charge to hang out in some stinking bar it was a entry fee to a race.

If that's what it is than advertise it for what it is a camp out with cars.

I wish all of you all the luck this year and hope you have a great time where ever you race, stop in any time for a beer at my trailer
Bruce
Posted By: cudadon

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 04:44 PM

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Quote:

The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?


you mean like charlie,so he can cut the purses without notifing anyone?




Oh nuts, I just spit coffee all over the monitor!!!
Yeah get down to 3 cars they give you $ and I say thats not what the flyer says.
They say we didn't have enough cars to pay that amount.
I'm standing there thinking man there had to be 150 cars in Pro. What can you do then?
Don

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Posted By: cudadon

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 04:51 PM

Quote:

The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?





scot wants to buy it, spread the word.
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 05:12 PM

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I will just say I have never raced a race where if there was a rain out I was not refunded or given a rain check.




I guess you never raced at maple grove.
Posted By: Eric

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 05:18 PM

Nope..
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 05:26 PM

So my take after reading all of these negative posts I have to wonder why anybody would want to hold a Mopar only event/race. It seems no matter what, after every Mopar only event/race, no matter who the promoter was they got trashed.
Indy Cylinder heads makes Mopar parts and you guys continually trash them also.

Did you ever wonder why other businesses don't want to make parts for Mopars? Its probably because of all of the negative garbage spewed constantly on the internet.

Here is something else How would you like your name or business trashed on the internet where it would affect how you feed your family?

So with that being said here is something you guys can ponder. If you continue to trash people and businesses you will have no parts, a job or a place to race, who wins now?
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 05:43 PM

People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.
Posted By: cgall

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 06:04 PM

bigtimeauto, some of these posts contain personal attacks, but most of them do not. The promoter has had every possible opportunity to make good on the rainchecks from Indy that he promised. He also was called out on here for shorting the quarterfinals at Norwalk while they were still shown on the website.

The Monster Mopar could still be a viable series if these things are corrected, if they are not, I doubt there will be much of a car count at Kilkare. That will be the result of the promoter's actions, not because of these posts.
Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 06:18 PM

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Well damn it let me get in my too!!!!

The way I look at these "Special events" is this is a track rental ---- Josh does NOT own the track and he has to pay for the weekend if he uses the facility or not. If he owned the track and could accomodate everyone some other weekend I'm sure he would but thats not the case. Look at it this way - you go rent a condo out on the beach for you and your wife/girlfriend to go have a fantastic weekend relaxing out on the beach. Then you wake up Saturday morning and out of no where comes a hurricain and you have to leave and not be able to go back through the weekend - do the people have to give you another weekend for FREE??? They are all booked up for the next 2 years and no weekends available. Do they have to refund your $$$ because of an act of god??? You rented a power washer for a weekend to wash down the house but the thunderstorms came and you could not get outside to safely wash down the house so does that mean you get free rental from Home Depot the next time you have the time to wash down your house??

You pay you take the chance to race (at these special events). I missed the first year the race was held at Indy because I decided not to make the trip because of the forecasted weather. Guess what they raced and I was at home... Then I went and it rained but again so what at least I was not sitting at home. If I was to worry about anything it would be why did I spend $500.00 or more in expenses to go to a race when I thought there would be a chance of a rain out. The entry fee is nothing compared to the expenses. Now I'm sure the payout $$$ could have been handled a different way and maybe next time it will be and if not oh well.

My only beefs are:
1. why is KK only an 1/8 mile race when I am pretty sure they can handle a 1/4 mile race.
2. Why did Bird not share any of his Jack with me

See ya at Norwalk for sure and KK to be determined


Russ







Best response yet....Russ get's it !

These brand specific races are about fun and friendship. The racing is just a bonus.

While you're all complaining, pissing and moaning..... think about the members we've lost who won't have the opportunity to socialize or race.

I feel very fortunate to have guys like Josh,BG or any other promoter who is willing to stick his neck out so we can have a good time. I'll be thinking about my good buddy LabRat when we're at Norwalk this year.


Ron
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 07:19 PM

Quote:

The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?




Pony up the money Dennis....you loud mouth----
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 07:26 PM

Quote:

People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.


was that a threat?
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 07:32 PM

Quote:

People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.




You are as much of an a$$ behind the keyboard as exists. Your remarks are enough to make someone sick...

You dont know what yur talking about and Im sick of listening.



You Ordered Parts from Indy Cylinder Head----NOT ME understand that first--- I dont machine, Install or spec anything---I take information and I take orders---Im not nor claimed to be an engine builder


Yuo sent me an invoice to pay to have your rotating kit re-balanced because your engine builder said it was 7 grams out----I told you that when it left, it was within 3 Grams---regardless pretty close---what you dont know is that every balancer is different a 10 gram swing can happen just by moving the bob weights ever so slightly----

YOUR ARE FIRST COMPLAINING ABOUT 4 GRAMs ---ANY ONE with some experience can chime in if im out of line----

Second claim was that your engine builder felt the deck was to high and that one bank was .0025-.003 lower than the other side of the block and that you were unhappy with the deck surface---- so now he decks the block to his liking, but now yuo claim the compression is to high-----


Look at it from my side Airwoofer-----I DONT OWN THIS PLACE AND I DONT MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS SO KEEP MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH---


And do me a favor and dont ruin that nice car you just bought
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 07:51 PM

Quote:

So my take after reading all of these negative posts I have to wonder why anybody would want to hold a Mopar only event/race. It seems no matter what, after every Mopar only event/race, no matter who the promoter was they got trashed.
Indy Cylinder heads makes Mopar parts and you guys continually trash them also.

Did you ever wonder why other businesses don't want to make parts for Mopars? Its probably because of all of the negative garbage spewed constantly on the internet.

Here is something else How would you like your name or business trashed on the internet where it would affect how you feed your family?

So with that being said here is something you guys can ponder. If you continue to trash people and businesses you will have no parts, a job or a place to race, who wins now?





Boy...the arrogance just drips from pretty much your every word.....

The reason people have beat up Mopar event promoter's in recent years is because they have had it coming in the way they have done business. And basically only for that reason.

Its no big secret, Mopar sells way fewer cars than Ford and GM....Its been that way forever. I love Mopar, buts lets not try and even think they have as big a footprint anywhere close to the two others.
Its always about supply and demand. Fewer people are coupled to Mopar than Ford or GM. It is what it is Because of that fact, there are inherently fewer Mopar Racers, hence fewer parts and suppliers around to provide for that smaller segment. It will likely remain that way.
You have a supplier that can make a part and sell 10,000 of them, or make a part and sell 200 of them, which way do you suspect that supplier will slant his business toward?
And then when a supplier such as Indy decides to go after that 200 customer example above business, they do it with horrible and long unchanged customer service.
Pretty much all the Mopar guys I know who race do it because of extreme passion, not because they have good parts support and or pricing compared to the more popular brands...that's how it is...this board and or others like it wont change that.

All the facts 101 above I am sure you are perfectly aware of...I just wanted to publically point them out to others in your audience who might not be.....
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 08:01 PM

Quote:

Quote:

People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.




You are as much of an a$$ behind the keyboard as exists. Your remarks are enough to make someone sick...

You dont know what yur talking about and Im sick of listening.



You Ordered Parts from Indy Cylinder Head----NOT ME understand that first--- I dont machine, Install or spec anything---I take information and I take orders---Im not nor claimed to be an engine builder


Yuo sent me an invoice to pay to have your rotating kit re-balanced because your engine builder said it was 7 grams out----I told you that when it left, it was within 3 Grams---regardless pretty close---what you dont know is that every balancer is different a 10 gram swing can happen just by moving the bob weights ever so slightly----

YOUR ARE FIRST COMPLAINING ABOUT 4 GRAMs ---ANY ONE with some experience can chime in if im out of line----

Second claim was that your engine builder felt the deck was to high and that one bank was .0025-.003 lower than the other side of the block and that you were unhappy with the deck surface---- so now he decks the block to his liking, but now yuo claim the compression is to high-----


Look at it from my side Airwoofer-----I DONT OWN THIS PLACE AND I DONT MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS SO KEEP MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH---


And do me a favor and dont ruin that nice car you just bought




You just take orders and do not follow up what the shop does? So there is no connection between what YOU sell and what gets delivered to customers? The block was NOT decked, the rotating assy with the custom pistons was NOT balanced. Indy (YOU) charged me for work that was not done. My builder fixed that stuff and YOU called us liars when I called and brought it up. All I wanted was to be reinbursed for the work that was charged to me and was not done. That's all I wanted.

So tell us what really happened. Is it all Russ' fault and you just work there and can't do anything about it? I only brought this up in the thread because there are guys saying that YOU lied to them and it was about money. I see a pattern here. You are the common link.

Grams... nobody even knows what the unit of measurement "grams" is when discussing balancing. If you are talking bob weight the crank was NEVER touched by Indy, just the factory big holes were there. Much more had to be done. I am lucky the guy locally here who I hired to build the motor could do the machine work.

It definately sounds like you are not an engine builder.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 08:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.




You are as much of an a$$ behind the keyboard as exists. Your remarks are enough to make someone sick...

You dont know what yur talking about and Im sick of listening.



You Ordered Parts from Indy Cylinder Head----NOT ME understand that first--- I dont machine, Install or spec anything---I take information and I take orders---Im not nor claimed to be an engine builder


Yuo sent me an invoice to pay to have your rotating kit re-balanced because your engine builder said it was 7 grams out----I told you that when it left, it was within 3 Grams---regardless pretty close---what you dont know is that every balancer is different a 10 gram swing can happen just by moving the bob weights ever so slightly----

YOUR ARE FIRST COMPLAINING ABOUT 4 GRAMs ---ANY ONE with some experience can chime in if im out of line----

Second claim was that your engine builder felt the deck was to high and that one bank was .0025-.003 lower than the other side of the block and that you were unhappy with the deck surface---- so now he decks the block to his liking, but now yuo claim the compression is to high-----


Look at it from my side Airwoofer-----I DONT OWN THIS PLACE AND I DONT MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS SO KEEP MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH---


And do me a favor and dont ruin that nice car you just bought




You just take orders and do not follow up what the shop does? So there is no connection between what YOU sell and what gets delivered to customers? The block was NOT decked, the rotating assy with the custom pistons was NOT balanced. Indy (YOU) charged me for work that was not done. My builder fixed that stuff and YOU called us liars when I called and brought it up. All I wanted was to be reinbursed for the work that was charged to me and was not done. That's all I wanted.

So tell us what really happened. Is it all Russ' fault and you just work there and can't do anything about it? I only brought this up in the thread because there are guys saying that YOU lied to them and it was about money. I see a pattern here. You are the common link.

Grams... nobody even knows what the unit of measurement "grams" is when discussing balancing. If you are talking bob weight the crank was NEVER touched by Indy, just the factory big holes were there. Much more had to be done. I am lucky the guy locally here who I hired to build the motor could do the machine work.

It definately sounds like you are not an engine builder.





The gram (alternative British English spelling: gramme;[1] SI unit symbol: g) (Greek/Latin root grámma) is a metric system unit of mass.
Originally defined as "the absolute weight of a volume of pure water equal to the cube of the hundredth part of a metre, and at the temperature of melting ice"[2] (later 4 °C), a gram is now defined as one one-thousandth of the SI base unit, the kilogram, or 1×10-3 kg, which itself is defined as being equal to the mass of a physical prototype preserved by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures.
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 08:15 PM

The reason I know it was balanced is because I have your balance sheet------


The reason I know it was decked is because it was only decked a few thousandths of an inch by your machine shop If I would not have decked it he would have had to take 30-40 thousandths off the block

Thats how I know
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 08:25 PM

Back to the point at hand----















I am apparently a swindler no good money grubbing thief



Now that we have that out of the way







Im sorry that we were rained out







IM SORRY THAT WE ARE NOT COMING BACK TO INDY







IM SORRY THAT WE HAVENT HAD THE ABILITY TO BANK ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER EVERY RAIN OUT WE HAVE






Just so everyone knows, since they want to make it public, I had to sell my 71 GTX to cover the debts from the 2012 and 2013 Rain outs just to try to do it again this year









I am going to make every attempt I can to have the Saturday Race at KilKare be free to try to make up for it but I am starting from ZERO again and im not sure if I can cover it------ Im sorry if that answer is not definitive enough, but it is the best I can do-------









DVW, I tried to return your call yesterday but I think I was just a few minutes after 12 when I called---Sorry I missed you
Posted By: 69dart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 09:15 PM

Could a moderator please remove this entire thread? It no longer adds any value nor does it help our beloved sport.
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 10:01 PM

IF.....I lock this...Can we start a new thread without all of the name calling,accusations,he said she said,etc..? Thank you!! Ted
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 10:13 PM

Wow.....you folks are hard on people. Indy has a reputation that is famous for problems. People are just trying to feed their families here people. Pay fkn attention on these boards please. That's what their for.
Posted By: SNK-EYZ

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 10:14 PM



This thread has turned into a complete train wreck.

I don't know why any promoter would even want to try to put on an event because no matter how good it goes more than likely someone will bash you over something that they felt wronged about.

Serious racers are going to go to the race where they can win the most $$$$$.
They're not worried about it only being Mopars.

I agree with what was said about specific brand (Mopar) events are as much about having fun by being there with people that are into the brand that you all like.

I freely admit I "play" at the race track, I'm there to have fun and hang out with friends.
I try not to embarrass myself too badly when I make a pass.
Most of all I want to have a good time.


This thread was about Monster Mopar events but it's turned into a bash-fest.

I don't see the point in publicly bashing any promoter.
If you have a problem take it to them personally.
If you have a problem with Indy Cylinder Head why are you bashing an employee here on Moparts and not talking directly to ICH?

Communication from the Promoters is key to making people happy.

It looks like Monster Mopar at Gateway is probably dead.
Scott won't answer his phone (nothing new there).


If it fits your budget and travel plans Monster Mopar at Kilkare and Norwalk are scheduled events.

What ever events you go to, try and enjoy yourself.

Life is too short to spend it being bitter over trivial things.
Posted By: swifter

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 10:20 PM

Just so everyone knows, since they want to make it public, I had to sell my 71 GTX to cover the debts from the 2012 and 2013 Rain outs just to try to do it again this year

Somethings VERY wrong here !!!!!!!!!
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/14/14 10:38 PM

Quote:

This is good information for potential racer who want to race at certain venues this coming year.
They can either partake in the series or venture off to other races.
The racer/s ought to know what has transpired over the course of this MMW event series.
Personally I would leave this thread up and let it work itself out.
Things need to be aired out in order to make progress one way or the other.





Once the name calling started it pretty much locked in no good will ever come from this.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 02:29 AM

Quote:

Back to the point at hand----















I am apparently a swindler no good money grubbing thief



Now that we have that out of the way







Im sorry that we were rained out







IM SORRY THAT WE ARE NOT COMING BACK TO INDY







IM SORRY THAT WE HAVENT HAD THE ABILITY TO BANK ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER EVERY RAIN OUT WE HAVE






Just so everyone knows, since they want to make it public, I had to sell my 71 GTX to cover the debts from the 2012 and 2013 Rain outs just to try to do it again this year









I am going to make every attempt I can to have the Saturday Race at KilKare be free to try to make up for it but I am starting from ZERO again and im not sure if I can cover it------ Im sorry if that answer is not definitive enough, but it is the best I can do-------









DVW, I tried to return your call yesterday but I think I was just a few minutes after 12 when I called---Sorry I missed you


so um no kool aid?
Posted By: BPE

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 03:29 AM

In almost every negative post in this thread it seems that the poster has said how " I didn't get this or that". I'm sure there were spectators, vendors and sponsors that spent plenty of money on travel, lodging, food, entry fees, ect. but they are not on here complaining about how they were not treated fairly. Why is it that nobody seems to care about anyone besides themselves anymore? It's always me,me,me. Some of you guys ought to sit back and take serious look at yourselves and then ask, What would I do in the same situation? but then you would have to realize you wouldn't take that kind of a risk because of the financial or personal responsibility that goes along with it. Well, at least Josh is trying to do something about the hand he was dealt. And when his events go off without the rain you will realize he has done more for you than any other mopar promoter out there.

Rod
Posted By: demongup

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 04:27 AM

I will be attending both races , thanks for a place to race
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 04:46 AM

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Quote:

The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?




Pony up the money Dennis....you loud mouth----



I would if I could !
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 04:55 AM

At least the 10.5 guys are going. All 10 of them.


Come-on guys you gotta laugh at that one.


Life is GREAT. Enjoy the moment.
Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 06:21 AM

Quote:

At least the 10.5 guys are going. All 10 of them.


Come-on guys you gotta laugh at that one.


Life is GREAT. Enjoy the moment.





Yea even that is a good funny


Russ
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 02:50 PM

This is where I should be. These guys could put on a clinic on "how to promote a drag race"
https://www.facebook.com/LooseRocker
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 03:23 PM

Quote:

At least the 10.5 guys are going. All 10 of them.


Come-on guys you gotta laugh at that one.


Life is GREAT. Enjoy the moment.




Quote:

This is where I should be. These guys could put on a clinic on "how to promote a drag race"
https://www.facebook.com/LooseRocker




maybe you should support some race instead of bashing every race and racer on the internet
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 03:38 PM

Quote:

Quote:

At least the 10.5 guys are going. All 10 of them.


Come-on guys you gotta laugh at that one.


Life is GREAT. Enjoy the moment.




Quote:

This is where I should be. These guys could put on a clinic on "how to promote a drag race"
https://www.facebook.com/LooseRocker




maybe you should support some race instead of bashing every race and racer on the internet





Hey BOB I made a suggestion or two to Josh. #1 was to communicate with the racers better and #2 was if you took in 75 dollars for a race and it gets rained out roll some of the 75 dollars into the next days race. NOT 75 dollars but a fraction of it. He owes that much to the racers and it would be greatly appreciated. I'm glad you got your wheels from Josh and now say that YOU will be attending his race. Glad you will now be attending so you guys can ALMOST fill the field.
Posted By: Jerry Kathe

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 03:53 PM

I have been watching this board for a couple of weeks now, along with a few others in an effort to make planning choices for this season. I have never met Mr. King, never participated at any of his events, nor would I judge anyone I have never interacted with personally. With all of that said, a few of the opinions posted are very relevant and some are just simply left of center…IMO.

I do not support the idea of no concessions for rain outs regardless of how the promoter contracted with the facility, this should be considered into any business plan – it is simply the cost of doing business. Sorry, but I also don’t believe that racing is a byproduct of a Mopar event, if I enter the racing class that is a primary function for me, not a social event that happens to have racing – again, my position, obviously not all’s.

I also believe that the effort he has put into assembling this series is of value and that he has most likely suffered through a learning curve that may leave permanent scars. But I also would like to believe these past experiences, whatever the facts may be, has set the tone for him going forward. With that said, I’m going to invest the faith to attend and I will see personally – without all of the drama – just what direction these events are headed in. I would like to request all of those who are still on the fence to join in, give it another chance or like me, a first shot. My one and only disclaimer is the fact he still hasn't structured the event as of yet, if something impractical (for me anyways) is put together, then I will be a no-show, but I think….based on his replies, that won’t happen…..we will see.

I hope the event at Kil-Kare is a good one, but I look at it like this; just a couple weeks prior to the Norwalk Mopar race is the Triple Tens at Norwalk, for the last several years I have faithfully attended that event. I have been choosing between one or the other as I simply don’t have the time or funding to attend both. This race at KK will probably determine which Norwalk event I will attend in September.

Also FWIW….I plan to attend the Chrysler Classic at National Trails this May, I used to run JJ’s series in the past….well three of the five anyway (lol) and always experienced a very good time and a program that was just as it was advertised. I then ran two of the successors’ events and really learned enough from the first one, to question myself why I ever attended the second one. Certainly glad to see that change.

For me….in the perfect world, I would like to see Mr. King and Mr. Johnson team up and combine the current Mopar events, for the participant it would be a win – win.

All together now, lets sing kumbyah

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 04:00 PM

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At least the 10.5 guys are going. All 10 of them.


Come-on guys you gotta laugh at that one.


Life is GREAT. Enjoy the moment.




Quote:

This is where I should be. These guys could put on a clinic on "how to promote a drag race"
https://www.facebook.com/LooseRocker




maybe you should support some race instead of bashing every race and racer on the internet





Hey BOB I made a suggestion or two to Josh. #1 was to communicate with the racers better and #2 was if you took in 75 dollars for a race and it gets rained out roll some of the 75 dollars into the next days race. NOT 75 dollars but a fraction of it. He owes that much to the racers and it would be greatly appreciated. I'm glad you got your wheels from Josh and now say that YOU will be attending his race. Glad you will now be attending so you guys can ALMOST fill the field.




First off I was going no matter what. Is it his fault I blew a trans last year and he didn't give me a refund? C'mon guys give it up at least he is out there trying. I met him from the races and he does the best he can. Isn't that all we can ask from people?
I support every race I can so people like YOU can sit home on your computer and complain about something you NEVER went to nor plan to support.

Like I said, you guys keep bashing there will be no place to race, no parts to buy and maybe your job/business will close. Sad world we live in.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 04:17 PM

First off I was going no matter what. Is it his fault I blew a trans last year and he didn't give me a refund? C'mon guys give it up at least he is out there trying. I met him from the races and he does the best he can. Isn't that all we can ask from people?
I support every race I can so people like YOU can sit home on your computer and complain about something you NEVER went to nor plan to support.



Nope its not his fault you broke again and you deserve no refund but that's a totally different subject. But when a race is rained out monies were taken in to make pay-outs and that portion of the money paid in should be paid out.
EXAMPLE: 300 race cars 75 dollars entry equals 22500.00
If you would take a portion of the monies paid in say 20 dollars and roll it into the next days race that would be 6000.00
That would leave 55.00 per racer to go toward track rental for the day per person. 6000 dollars divided into the classes for INCREASED pay-outs for the next days racing.

Oh and by the way I probably race the same or more than you do as I hit the track 1-2 times per week from April to November.
Posted By: Eric

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 04:31 PM

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I have been watching this board for a couple of weeks now, along with a few others in an effort to make planning choices for this season. I have never met Mr. King, never participated at any of his events, nor would I judge anyone I have never interacted with personally. With all of that said, a few of the opinions posted are very relevant and some are just simply left of center…IMO.

I do not support the idea of no concessions for rain outs regardless of how the promoter contracted with the facility, this should be considered into any business plan – it is simply the cost of doing business. Sorry, but I also don’t believe that racing is a byproduct of a Mopar event, if I enter the racing class that is a primary function for me, not a social event that happens to have racing – again, my position, obviously not all’s.

I also believe that the effort he has put into assembling this series is of value and that he has most likely suffered through a learning curve that may leave permanent scars. But I also would like to believe these past experiences, whatever the facts may be, has set the tone for him going forward. With that said, I’m going to invest the faith to attend and I will see personally – without all of the drama – just what direction these events are headed in. I would like to request all of those who are still on the fence to join in, give it another chance or like me, a first shot. My one and only disclaimer is the fact he still hasn't structured the event as of yet, if something impractical (for me anyways) is put together, then I will be a no-show, but I think….based on his replies, that won’t happen…..we will see.

I hope the event at Kil-Kare is a good one, but I look at it like this; just a couple weeks prior to the Norwalk Mopar race is the Triple Tens at Norwalk, for the last several years I have faithfully attended that event. I have been choosing between one or the other as I simply don’t have the time or funding to attend both. This race at KK will probably determine which Norwalk event I will attend in September.

Also FWIW….I plan to attend the Chrysler Classic at National Trails this May, I used to run JJ’s series in the past….well three of the five anyway (lol) and always experienced a very good time and a program that was just as it was advertised. I then ran two of the successors’ events and really learned enough from the first one, to question myself why I ever attended the second one. Certainly glad to see that change.

For me….in the perfect world, I would like to see Mr. King and Mr. Johnson team up and combine the current Mopar events, for the participant it would be a win – win.

All together now, lets sing kumbyah







Very well said..and my thoughts exactly.
Posted By: Duster3105

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/15/14 04:55 PM

Thanks for bringing me out of retirement.

I wish I could retire, hope you & family are doing well,
I gotta get on here more, I know we just started our 2nd small business and I am learning more every day, even at my age. I'll keep quiet and just read now.
Rick......
Posted By: poppaj

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/16/14 10:37 PM

Think you are doing a good job Josh, we look forward to your events. Thanks poppaj
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/16/14 10:47 PM

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EXAMPLE: 300 race cars 75 dollars entry equals 22500.00
If you would take a portion of the monies paid in say 20 dollars and roll it into the next days race that would be 6000.00
That would leave 55.00 per racer to go toward track rental for the day per person. 6000 dollars divided into the classes for INCREASED pay-outs for the next days racing.





I don't want to keep this going with you but you are forgetting a few other things in your math.
-track rental
-insurance
-employees
-advertising
-food
-security
-pit parking pass stickers

and I'm sure there are others

Most of the time the promoter will rely on sponsors to pay the classes while the gate pays for these things.
Posted By: AAR-B4

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/16/14 11:44 PM

Just wanted to be the 200th reply to this post
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 12:09 AM

Quote:

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EXAMPLE: 300 race cars 75 dollars entry equals 22500.00
If you would take a portion of the monies paid in say 20 dollars and roll it into the next days race that would be 6000.00
That would leave 55.00 per racer to go toward track rental for the day per person. 6000 dollars divided into the classes for INCREASED pay-outs for the next days racing.





I don't want to keep this going with you but you are forgetting a few other things in your math.
-track rental
-insurance
-employees
-advertising
-food
-security
-pit parking pass stickers

and I'm sure there are others

Most of the time the promoter will rely on sponsors to pay the classes while the gate pays for these things.





Well since you commented again you ask Josh to fill in some of the blanks on track costs and I will make up a spread-sheet in my spare time to see how much the racers have coming to them. I will need numbers for racers, pit crew, and spectators also.
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 12:18 AM

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Just so everyone knows, since they want to make it public, I had to sell my 71 GTX to cover the debts from the 2012 and 2013 Rain outs just to try to do it again this year




on your facebook you said you were selling it to get into a blue, Viper SRT coupe.
Posted By: slippery440

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 12:42 AM

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Quote:


EXAMPLE: 300 race cars 75 dollars entry equals 22500.00
If you would take a portion of the monies paid in say 20 dollars and roll it into the next days race that would be 6000.00
That would leave 55.00 per racer to go toward track rental for the day per person. 6000 dollars divided into the classes for INCREASED pay-outs for the next days racing.





I don't want to keep this going with you but you are forgetting a few other things in your math.
-track rental
-insurance
-employees
-advertising
-food
-security
-pit parking pass stickers

and I'm sure there are others

Most of the time the promoter will rely on sponsors to pay the classes while the gate pays for these things.




We rent a local track for our car club. The rental covers the insurance / parking / employees / EMT ON DUTY/ security. This cost for one day is $850 for 10 cars.Plus if it rains and its called we pay nothing. The food goes on the plus side of the tally sheet. Advertising don't make me laugh Josh did none!!!
Poor guy had to sell his car to buy a viper?
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 01:06 AM

A local track rental is WAY different then a track rental to hold a event.
Posted By: Sherminator

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 02:42 AM

wow
Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 03:13 AM

darn it!!! I am out of popcorn....
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 03:33 AM

I would really think that between sponsors, racers , spectators, swap meet spaces rented , other inside rentals , that Josh may not made tons of money , but , made.more than $10 bucks to his pocket is a sure bet ,
Be that as it may,
If all.he could take away was the he ran the best Mopar race that anyone could ask for , That should be the goal , if nothing else .
Walking away with those bragging rights would do.wonders for the pocket hook .
Instead , when issues do arrise , silent running , is the responce.
When a responce.is.given , it bears reminiscent of someone.going thru midlife crises ,.
Granted can't go backin time. But , I have never seen this event have the issues it is having , .
Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 03:41 AM

Advertise ?

Isn't this......advertising ? Lol

Well at least it's publicity.....

Posted By: SNK-EYZ

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 03:46 AM

About 10 years ago I rented the dragstrip at Gateway for 5 hours on a Friday for a group of about 40 racers.
It cost about $2,900 total, it was $75 a person.
I wrote the check personally so I know it was that much.
For the rental having an ambulance there was required (part of the cost).
Technically it was a test & tune with no side by side runs were going to be allowed to run.
After they decided that we could handle the side by side runs they let us do some.



For a weekend track rental they said it was $35,000, and that was 10 years ago.

It's not cheap to rent a track for a weekend event.

It's a lot of headache putting on an event and a financial risk too.

I don't get the $75 a day thing that some feel they're owed for.
You paid $150 for a weekend event on the entry form, not two events at $75 a day.

Even at that it was a 3 day event, not just two days.
You could even get in the pits on Thursday and get teched in and get your car ready to race.

The year before (2012) at Indy the Saturday Gamblers race didn't happen because of rain.
People complained because they did get money for the "Free Race" (no extra entry required).
Everyone was to it was a free race so they were out nothing for an entry.

It's the same basic thing, you paid $150 to race for the weekend. It wasn't two separate races you paid separate entries for.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 03:57 AM

Quote:

About 10 years ago I rented the dragstrip at Gateway for 5 hours on a Friday for a group of about 40 racers.
It cost about $2,900 total, it was $75 a person.
I wrote the check personally so I know it was that much.
For the rental having an ambulance there was required (part of the cost).
Technically it was a test & tune with no side by side runs were going to be allowed to run.
After they decided that we could handle the side by side runs they let us do some.



For a weekend track rental they said it was $35,000, and that was 10 years ago.

It's not cheap to rent a track for a weekend event.

It's a lot of headache putting on an event and a financial risk too.

I don't get the $75 a day thing that some feel they're owed for.
You paid $150 for a weekend event on the entry form, not two events at $75 a day.

Even at that it was a 3 day event, not just two days.
You could even get in the pits on Thursday and get teched in and get your car ready to race.

The year before (2012) at Indy the Saturday Gamblers race didn't happen because of rain.
People complained because they did get money for the "Free Race" (no extra entry required).
Everyone was to it was a free race so they were out nothing for an entry.

It's the same basic thing, you paid $150 to race for the weekend. It wasn't two separate races you paid separate entries for.







WOW. It sure looks like 150 dollars for two races to me.

Entry Fees are easy!

Its $150 dollars for each and every points series class (THATS FOR THE ENTIRE WEEKEND)

The Payout Structure is equally as easy, as its the exact same for every class in the points series each day.

Winner Saturday $1500
Runner Up Saturday $750
Semi Finalists Saturday $300
1/4's Saturday $120
1/8's Saturday $75

Winner Sunday $1500
Runner Up Sunday $750
Semi Finalists Sunday $300
1/4's Sunday $120
1/8's Sunday $75
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 04:01 AM

I'm still amazed at people who weren't there have so much to say.
I can't wait for them to hold a race and see how they do it
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 04:06 AM

You racers are really just a bunch of girls who whine about every little thing. I run the show car side of the Monster Mopar events and we went through the same thing you guys did with the rain outs. Everyone paid their entry fees with not a single person asking for money back, and all they were there for was to have some fun in the sun and maybe get a $10 plastic trophy, none had a chance to win some money! Lighten up and do the best you can do at these events and for goodness sake have a great time and QUIT YOUR BIICHIN'... If you think you pay more than some of the show guys do with your cars you are sadly mistaken, Tell you what, why don't we switch sides for an event, you can show your little racey cars and we will run out show cars down the track and still won't care about the money! We are never given a chance to run our cars down the track, though we would love to have some time like they do at the Mopar Nats and several other events that have racing as part of the weekend program, but you guys are oiling down the track, hitting walls, and complaining when we want to have fun too. There, now I am sounding like you crybabies!
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 04:31 AM



come race where there is no drama ... guaranteed payouts ...
We wont call you crybabies, or insinuate that you're entitled to anything. Our show car people wont call you a bunch of girls.
We respect you and appreciate you coming to our events!

You pay to race, thats what you'll get!
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 04:32 AM

Oh yeah, go back to the clowns who ruined it originally, great...
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 04:52 AM

Pay your money and you can race also
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 05:19 AM

Quote:

[ come race where there is no drama ... guaranteed payouts ...
We wont call you crybabies, or insinuate that you're entitled to anything. Our show car people wont call you a bunch of girls.
We respect you and appreciate you coming to our events!

You pay to race, thats what you'll get!




I didn't see the pay out for the extreme 10.5??
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 05:24 AM

Quote:

Quote:

[ come race where there is no drama ... guaranteed payouts ...
We wont call you crybabies, or insinuate that you're entitled to anything. Our show car people wont call you a bunch of girls.
We respect you and appreciate you coming to our events!

You pay to race, thats what you'll get!




I didn't see the pay out for the extreme 10.5??






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Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 05:32 AM

hey josh why dont you call it quits and let someone else do it. im not being funny or sarcastic but i wouldnt want to listen to all this. p.s. i still like grape kool aid.
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? *DELETED* *DELETED* - 03/17/14 05:43 AM

I cant delete the post, it keeps showing that I deleted something,

so what I had was, Bill, come get some kool-aid on us... but you dont have to drink it.


Posted By: CRT

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 06:01 AM

Dougie, why don you just drop it. Your maken the drama.
Posted By: CRT

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 06:12 AM

Dougie, why dont just you drop it. Your maken the drama.
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 06:16 AM

Quote:

Dougie, why dont just you drop it. Your maken the drama.




was not my intention, I respect you John and what you think, so from here on out this thread can implode on its regularly scheduled path without anymore posts from me.
Posted By: nhramark

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 06:55 AM

Quote:

hey josh why dont you call it quits and let someone else do it. im not being funny or sarcastic but i wouldnt want to listen to all this. p.s. i still like grape kool aid.




Well luckily Josh has thicker skin than that.(So Far) There are a few people on here raising complaints who actually attended our events. I feel bad about that and hope a solution is worked out to their satisfaction, as we want people to attend and ENJOY Monster Mopar.

There are several others here who don't attend and want to stir the pot for whatever reason.... The finger pointing and accusations some of you make are disgusting.

Josh and his family put a lot of time, money, and effort into this. They are NOT doing it for the money. Rain has plagued us time and again, even the threat of rain in the forecast will keep people home who would have otherwise been there. If we get a couple rain free events, we will be having a much different conversation.

Every decision is made with the best interest of Monster Mopar as a whole in mind. That is the truth. Even if you don't like a decision that was made, maybe you can at least accept the fact we are trying to do the best we can for everyone.

If you have been attending our events, I hope you will continue to do so. If you haven't, I hope you will give us a shot. See you there!
Posted By: wheelsup68dart

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 07:28 AM

After having dealt with the B.S. that Charlie Blankenship dealt out for years I can recognize a train wreck in the works, it took me about 3 years too long to realize Charlie was never gonna improve/change. I took it upon myself to look into the only thing I could control to put him out of buisness( I stopped giving him any money for anything he was involved in), even if in my back yard. I'm sure the loss of my money did not end him, but I am no longer helping him screw me!!! Get the hint Josh? You are offereing 2 races in my back yard and I think I won't attend either. BTW thanks for the congratulations from Norwalk I could'nt find you anywhere after the finals?
Everyone that wants to Bash Jeff Johnson needs to realize a couple things. He has taken a hit trying to get things restarted, but has never failed to payout what he advertised. He will continue to get my support as long as he offers races.
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 01:48 PM

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Quote:

hey josh why dont you call it quits and let someone else do it. im not being funny or sarcastic but i wouldnt want to listen to all this. p.s. i still like grape kool aid.




Well luckily Josh has thicker skin than that.(So Far) There are a few people on here raising complaints who actually attended our events. I feel bad about that and hope a solution is worked out to their satisfaction, as we want people to attend and ENJOY Monster Mopar.

There are several others here who don't attend and want to stir the pot for whatever reason.... The finger pointing and accusations some of you make are disgusting.

Josh and his family put a lot of time, money, and effort into this. They are NOT doing it for the money. Rain has plagued us time and again, even the threat of rain in the forecast will keep people home who would have otherwise been there. If we get a couple rain free events, we will be having a much different conversation.

Every decision is made with the best interest of Monster Mopar as a whole in mind. That is the truth. Even if you don't like a decision that was made, maybe you can at least accept the fact we are trying to do the best we can for everyone.

If you have been attending our events, I hope you will continue to do so. If you haven't, I hope you will give us a shot. See you there!


i really would not like to see josh give it up but after being called a liar,theif and whatever else was thrown in i wouldnt blame him if he did. i will go to his races 1 because i like him. 2 i like the hemi s/s stuff. i got da kool aid doug went to kroger yesterday .
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/17/14 05:31 PM

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At least the 10.5 guys are going. All 10 of them.


Come-on guys you gotta laugh at that one.


Life is GREAT. Enjoy the moment.




Quote:

This is where I should be. These guys could put on a clinic on "how to promote a drag race"
https://www.facebook.com/LooseRocker




maybe you should support some race instead of bashing every race and racer on the internet





Hey BOB I made a suggestion or two to Josh. #1 was to communicate with the racers better and #2 was if you took in 75 dollars for a race and it gets rained out roll some of the 75 dollars into the next days race. NOT 75 dollars but a fraction of it. He owes that much to the racers and it would be greatly appreciated. I'm glad you got your wheels from Josh and now say that YOU will be attending his race. Glad you will now be attending so you guys can ALMOST fill the field.




First off I was going no matter what. Is it his fault I blew a trans last year and he didn't give me a refund? C'mon guys give it up at least he is out there trying. I met him from the races and he does the best he can. Isn't that all we can ask from people?
I support every race I can so people like YOU can sit home on your computer and complain about something you NEVER went to nor plan to support.

Like I said, you guys keep bashing there will be no place to race, no parts to buy and maybe your job/business will close. Sad world we live in.






No bashing out of me just the facts, He had all the time in the world to make it right and chose not to until he feet was held to the fire.

I had a competitor come up to me and accuse me of being a no good cheater and being in cahoots with the promoter because the 'Race director" in his infinite wisdom turned off cross talk because "dragsters don't use crosstalk" causing a re run.in the first run I would have had a .007 light on him and went dead on he went .000 and went dead on. the second run he went.007 red I went .030 and he was pi$$ed and rightfully so but he blamed me when the morons in the tower was to blame.
Also had another competitor bent out of shape for a qualifying issue at indy 2012 , a late show up got his own qualifying session and knocked out # 32 who was already locked in to the show because qualifying was suppose to be over we were blamed for that one as well when we didn't even know the late show up.

Point is I'm getting my a$$ chewed for $hit the clowns running this deal is pulling.

I can not support a show that:
a) the race director is not educated properly in the ways of bracket racing
b)the rules will change at any given time with no warning
c)wandering will we or will we not get paid
d)who he will brake the rules for to make that one guy happy screwing another over.
e)if it rains maybe we get hosed maybe not

No one said anything to me about making a investment into his promotion business it was advertised as a race not a pyramid scheme.

It would be a little different If he just manned up and told us sorry guys I don't have the money to pay the Saturday purse. Instead he chose to lie to us telling us he would take care of it at Norwalk.

I am not bashing just telling what happened to us, bashing is done by people who were not there.

Sorry I have enough bills of my own I cant throw money in a endless hole so someone else has a place to race

I respect you for trying to help the guy, I see all your points,I don't know you but i'm told you are a good guy, not of this is aimed at you, just telling you why we will not try to help him anymore. I hope you have good luck with his shows,race safe
Bruce
Posted By: jkwedge540

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/18/14 02:33 AM

Can't we all just get along.
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/18/14 04:24 AM

I like warm, fluffy little puppies....that is all.
Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/18/14 04:56 AM

maybe free beer at the next event....but they better make it draft so nobody fights over can or bottle..........
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/18/14 05:00 AM

Quote:

I like warm, fluffy little puppies....that is all.





And kitty cats. Here's Hemi in my motorhome during the Halloween Classic at Norwalk.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/18/14 05:53 AM

Quote:

I like warm, fluffy little puppies....that is all.




Here you go Buddy! ask and you shall receive

Posted By: sixpakx

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/18/14 06:54 AM

and I thought the pontaic guys whined , maybe some of you should take up knitting
Posted By: Sherminator

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/18/14 01:09 PM

Whos on first
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/19/14 02:50 AM


Monster Mopar Weekend‎Monster Mopar at Kil-Kare

41 secs · Indianapolis, IN ·
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Monster Mopar Weekend Kil-Kare Racing Information

Saturday and Sunday will be two separate races like last year

Big dog
Super pro
Pro
KOS
Hemi super stock
Nss
Sportsman

All classes pay as follows both Saturday and Sunday

Winner $1500
Runner Up $500
Semi Finalist $300
1/4's $100

Weekend entry fee is $150.00 for both days

2013 Indy Rain Out Customers will pay $100.00 dollars
Posted By: swifter

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/19/14 02:38 PM

so NOTHING to do friday during the day???? Steve
Posted By: dartman366

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/19/14 02:57 PM

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so NOTHING to do friday during the day???? Steve


The track has a every Friday nite event called Friday Night Lightz,, gate opens at 6:00pm.
Posted By: ROSSIO

Re: Norwalk Monster Mopar. does it exist?????????? - 03/19/14 04:27 PM

I HOPE IT HAPPENS AT NORWALK--IT WAS A GREAT TIME
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