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cam break-in #158752
11/29/08 05:23 AM
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Is the method of running the engine for 30 minutes
at 2000rpm really necessary for cam break-in? I have built 5 small block motors with hydraulic cams in the 430-480 lift area and one with a 520 lift solid and have never used this method or had a lobe go away. I'm stepping up to a 550 hydraulic and I would like some opinions. Thought about sending the cam to have it cryogenicly treated but don't know about the turnaround time.
Kind of curious if I'm just lucky so far and I dont want to have to rebuild the motor if the cam does go flat. Thanks for your comments.

Re: cam break-in [Re: stage3] #158753
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I'v rebuilt quite a few motors and always broke the cam in like they recommend.Never had the guts to do it any other way.Never had a problem so why not.

Re: cam break-in [Re: stage3] #158754
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I believe the reason 2000rpms is recommended is to ensure that you have very good oil pressure during break in. Right now, more than ever, is when you need good pressure.

I just followed that procedure, with Delo 400, and a bottle of comp cams additive, and so far so good


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Re: cam break-in [Re: hooziewhatsit] #158755
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I believe the reason 2000rpms is recommended is to ensure that you have very good oil pressure during break in. Right now, more than ever, is when you need good pressure.

I just followed that procedure, with Delo 400, and a bottle of comp cams additive, and so far so good




Actually it's not oil pressure it's oil splash/spray, the cam/lifter contact point isn't typically pressure lubed it's a high pressure sliding contact that recieves no pressurised lube so oil spray is critical....Think about it your valve springs a set at 2-300 Lbs open pressure now that pressure is on the contact between the cam & lifter but only a very small portion of the lifter is actually in contact with the cam due to the curvature of the lifter face...Do you really want to short cut the camshaft break-in? Are you aware of the missing ZDDP in oil these days?...BTW Flat cams were such a common problem with Hemis back in the sixties that Chrysler designed low taper camshafts & reduced radius lifters to increase the contact pattern.... BTW This was due to the Hemi valve spring pressure the 440 Sixpacks used the same springs...

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Re: cam break-in [Re: stage3] #158756
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Is the method of running the engine for 30 minutes
at 2000rpm really necessary for cam break-in?











I've followed this procedure for the last 25 plus years rebuilding engines,.....never lost a cam, or motor

you can cut the time down to 15 minutes,....2000RPM is recommended, because the cam is turing at 1/2 RPM, vs the crankshaft,....2000RPM crankshaft speed = 1000 RPM camshaft speed,.....lower break-in RPM's won't allow proper/ suffcient oiling in the camshaft/rocker assy......plus there's a metallurgical hardening process the cam and lifter mating surfaces go thru during this "run"

improper "run-in" can/might result in "wiped" lobes or lifters

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Re: cam break-in [Re: DAYCLONA] #158757
11/30/08 02:27 AM
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Also,i dont know if it really helps or not but the machine shop i go to told me to overfill the oil a quart or two to help more oil splash around.

Re: cam break-in [Re: challengermike] #158758
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Why risk it? get the lifters to spin and the pressure up... Do as they rec. Why not????


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Re: cam break-in [Re: challengermike] #158759
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Also,i dont know if it really helps or not but the machine shop i go to told me to overfill the oil a quart or two to help more oil splash around.


That's the best idea I've heard in a long time. removing the inner valve springs or using a lighter spring, As said plenty of ZDDP, 2500 rpm + for 20-30 minutes, I'm a believer in varying the rpm & cracking the throttle wide open to seat the rings & you might check this EXCELLENT article out for the ring seating aspect of the breakin. "breakin secrets" at www.mototuneusa.com


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