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Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day #1576156 02/08/14 10:13 PM 02/08/14 10:13 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Does a raised cam block also have to be a tall deck block? How can I tell a raised deck block from standard? Ok, maybe that's two dumb questions, but I want my money's worth. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Dragula] #1576157 02/08/14 10:30 PM 02/08/14 10:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City C camastomcat top fuel
camastomcat top fuel C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City	Quote: Does a raised cam block also have to be a tall deck block? How can I tell a raised deck block from standard? Ok, maybe that's two dumb questions, but I want my money's worth. [/quote never heard of a low deck raised cam block, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Call the manufacturer and ask if they made one and how to identify it.

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: camastomcat] #1576158 02/08/14 10:50 PM 02/08/14 10:50 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I have not heard of a raised cam low deck, pretty sure they are tall deck blocks.

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: ] #1576159 02/08/14 11:59 PM 02/08/14 11:59 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,613 Deerfield, Ohio 70dusterjohn top fuel
70dusterjohn top fuel Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,613 Deerfield, Ohio	Low deck block limit for crank is 4.25 the whole reason for the raised cam block is to clear 5 in crank ! Low deck verse raised you can tell where the water pump mounts, low deck is almost even with the top of the water pump blocks on the block, raised block would be almost 3/4 in taller at the same spot ! :

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Dragula] #1576160 02/09/14 12:35 AM 02/09/14 12:35 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Does a raised cam block also have to be a tall deck block? How can I tell a raised deck block from standard? Ok, maybe that's two dumb questions, but I want my money's worth. Measure the distance between the bottom of the front cam bearing and the upper half of the front main bearing seat on a B or RB to see what it is and go from there Now send me my tip Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Cab_Burge] #1576161 02/09/14 12:53 AM 02/09/14 12:53 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	I did not say LOW DECK!!!! Never mentioned it... '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Dragula] #1576162 02/09/14 02:00 AM 02/09/14 02:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,938 Sonora CA Mopar_Rich top fuel
Mopar_Rich top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,938 Sonora CA	Quote: Does a raised cam block also have to be a tall deck block? Technically ... no. Brad Anderson "big bore" blocks are not considered tall decks (Deck=10.225 +/-) and they are ALL raised cams.

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Mopar_Rich] #1576163 02/09/14 02:10 AM 02/09/14 02:10 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	there are other reasons to run a raised cam block besides crank clearence BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Dragula] #1576164 02/09/14 05:58 AM 02/09/14 05:58 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Quote: I did not say LOW DECK!!!! Never mentioned it... My point on mentioning both stock type blocks is neither one is a raised cam block The same timing set and chains and gear drives can be used on both B and RB stock blocks Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Dragula] #1576165 02/09/14 12:26 PM 02/09/14 12:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky 68roadrunner super stock
68roadrunner super stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky	could you not just measure the deck height with a 12" dial caliper to see, or is the engine assembled?

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: 68roadrunner] #1576166 02/09/14 01:30 PM 02/09/14 01:30 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	So if I am looking at an aftermarket block, KB, Indy, etc...And from what everyone is saying, it can be a raised cam, but not neccessarily a raised deck block. What is the standard deck height of an RB or Hemi? And what is the typical raised deck height of an after market block? The number 10.72 comes to mind... '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Dragula] #1576167 02/09/14 04:12 PM 02/09/14 04:12 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Most aftermarket BB blocks are available in a raised cam version.Indys aluminium water blocks are available in raised cam versions from 9.98 to 10.72 deck,their soild blocks is available in raised cam version from 9.98 to 10.820.Many other blocks are available in with a variety of deck measurments.Standard deck height for RB/Hemi is 10.720 Last edited by B G Racing; 02/09/14 04:15 PM. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: bigtimeauto] #1576168 02/09/14 04:16 PM 02/09/14 04:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ SSDAcuda super stock
SSDAcuda super stock Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ	Quote: there are other reasons to run a raised cam block besides crank clearence Thats the same thought I had when browsing this thread!! SS/DA 1924

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: SSDAcuda] #1576169 02/09/14 04:34 PM 02/09/14 04:34 PM
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FastmOp master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,762 Hot Rod Ridge	Does a raised cam block take a cam ground difrent? And can it take a roller bearing set up for an oversize cam? And finally does it require a custom lifter location? Nice post Dragula!

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: B G Racing] #1576170 02/09/14 04:47 PM 02/09/14 04:47 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,386 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: Most aftermarket BB blocks are available in a raised cam version.Indys aluminium water blocks are available in raised cam versions from 9.98 to 10.72 deck,their soild blocks is available in raised cam version from 9.98 to 10.820.Many other blocks are available in with a variety of deck measurments.Standard deck height for RB/Hemi is 10.720 So standard deck is 10.72, and it sounds like those can be either standard cam location or raised cam, and on top of that, I can get a raised deck, which would definitely have a raised cam, correct? '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Dragula] #1576171 02/10/14 11:34 AM 02/10/14 11:34 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Quote: Quote: Most aftermarket BB blocks are available in a raised cam version.Indys aluminium water blocks are available in raised cam versions from 9.98 to 10.72 deck,their soild blocks is available in raised cam version from 9.98 to 10.820.Many other blocks are available in with a variety of deck measurments.Standard deck height for RB/Hemi is 10.720 So standard deck is 10.72, and it sounds like those can be either standard cam location or raised cam, and on top of that, I can get a raised deck, which would definitely have a raised cam, correct? [/quote With any block you have to specify machine for raised cam unless the block is cast for raised cam.Most blocks are cast for standard applications. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: FastmOp] #1576172 02/10/14 02:40 PM 02/10/14 02:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas	Quote: Does a raised cam block take a cam ground difrent? And can it take a roller bearing set up for an oversize cam? And finally does it require a custom lifter location? Nice post Dragula! No the cam CAN be the same. Yes they can go with larger cores. When you raise the cam the lifter bores do change but they machine them back to the same angle as a non raised cam block. The big killer is cam drive. When you raise the cam the std timing chain, gear drive or belt drive DO NOT work. Jesel for instance get a few hundred more for the cam drive. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: Al_Alguire] #1576173 02/10/14 06:21 PM 02/10/14 06:21 PM
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cknight member C Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 137 Daytona Beach, FL	Most raised cam blocks have altered lifter bore angles, in order to help restore proper pushrod geometry. The most popular raised cam lifter bank angle (degrees from vertical) is 48 degrees, standard is 45 degrees. There were also early MOPAR Megablocks that had raised cams, havomg 47 degree lifter bank angles for B/RB applications, and 50 degrees for Hemi applications. You need to make sure of what you really have before ordering your camshaft. Regards, Chase

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: cknight] #1576174 02/10/14 11:24 PM 02/10/14 11:24 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	My World Products aluminum block Hemi is a .250 raised cam block . Standard Hemi block height is at 10.720 and my block is 10.720 . As stated above you need a Jesel belt drive [ $1500. ] or a gear drive about $1000. ] a standard timing chain will not work. On a raised cam block the lifter bores are at 48 degrees where as the standard block is 45 degrees. Stock .904 lifter bore . You do need a special cam . My block has the lifter bores bushed and also spread .200 for a 2" center from the stock 1.800 The block was set up for 4 3/4" crank clearance I have a 4.5 bore x 4.5 stroke = 572 ci. What else do you need to know? except what the hell was I thinking when I started this project. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day [Re: rowin4] #1576175 02/11/14 12:59 AM 02/11/14 12:59 AM
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BIG BEAR mopar B Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 627 IN	The cam location being standard or raised is decided from cam distance from the crank center line. In the same way the deck height is measured from the crank center line. As stated before the lifter angles will change if you have a raised cam block. But having a raised cam block doesn't necessarily mean you have a tall deck block.

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