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'69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic #1570832 01/29/14 09:19 PM 01/29/14 09:19 PM
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MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike 8017598-valvecover.jpg (555 downloads)

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1570833 01/29/14 09:40 PM 01/29/14 09:40 PM
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sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	One side was the last parts of the PN for the engine. The other side the transmission. Can't read those numbers too well though. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1570834 01/29/14 11:59 PM 01/29/14 11:59 PM
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RJS master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY	Quote: Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike Looks like a 916 which is a 69 440 375 w/auto and A/C. Engine color Orange. Is that your setup??? Ron

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: RJS] #1570835 01/30/14 01:33 AM 01/30/14 01:33 AM
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MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: Looks like a 916 which is a 69 440 375 w/auto and A/C. Engine color Orange. Is that your setup??? Ron Yeah Ron, that's it, THANKS. Where exactly does the 916 come from and what belongs on the other side valve cover? Mike

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1570836 01/30/14 02:18 AM 01/30/14 02:18 AM
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RJS master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY	It is the last 3 digits of the p/n for that engine, with that marked on the passenger valve cover and a 093 marked on the drivers side cover they knew on the line to pull that motor and put it in a body that called for a 440 375 w/air and auto in 1969. The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916. I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: RJS] #1570837 01/30/14 11:50 AM 01/30/14 11:50 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c.

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: ] #1570838 01/30/14 02:05 PM 01/30/14 02:05 PM
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RJS master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY	Quote: Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c. Yep it would be a different # 69 440 375 auto no A/C is 917 From how it was explained to me (and again I don't claim to be correct on everything I spew) it was just a quick way for a line worker to pull the motor off the shelf. Ron

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: RJS] #1570839 01/30/14 04:54 PM 01/30/14 04:54 PM
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MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916. I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front... 8018593-DriverFront.jpg (260 downloads)

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: RJS] #1570840 01/30/14 04:56 PM 01/30/14 04:56 PM
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MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916. I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron And here's what's on the Driver's side cover on the rear... 8018596-DriverRear.jpg (243 downloads)

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1570841 01/30/14 05:37 PM 01/30/14 05:37 PM
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RJS master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY	Quote: Quote: The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916. I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front... Yes I've seen the 5 on many valve covers so my explanation is definitely flawed with the 093. We need someone more knowledgeable to fix mt wrong answer. Maybe the 5 is found on the Buildsheet is the best I came come up with. I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time. Ron

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: RJS] #1570842 01/30/14 05:42 PM 01/30/14 05:42 PM
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AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Quote: Quote: Quote: The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916. I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron Ron, was the writing on the valve cover used in all the plants? OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front... Yes I've seen the 5 on many valve covers so my explanation is definitely flawed with the 093. We need someone more knowledgeable to fix mt wrong answer. Maybe the 5 is found on the Buildsheet is the best I came come up with. I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time. Ron 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: RJS] #1570843 01/30/14 05:42 PM 01/30/14 05:42 PM
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MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time. Ron My '70 440 4speed Charger has a "0" on the drivers side cover.

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: ] #1570844 01/30/14 11:02 PM 01/30/14 11:02 PM
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69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	Quote: Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c. Yes. As A/C was considered part of the total engine assembly. Remember, A/C cars could come with different items like carbs so you have to account for an A/C and non A/C assembly plus you have to account for the A/C with a manual or automatic transmission. (Disclaimer: Not speaking specifically about a 440 but in general and in context of the assembly numbering system) Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1570845 01/31/14 12:23 AM 01/31/14 12:23 AM
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AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Quote: Quote: Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c. Yes. As A/C was considered part of the total engine assembly. Remember, A/C cars could come with different items like carbs so you have to account for an A/C and non A/C assembly plus you have to account for the A/C with a manual or automatic transmission. (Disclaimer: Not speaking specifically about a 440 but in general and in context of the assembly numbering system) Not sure about other motor/trans combination but my 69 Coronet 500 uses the 091 trans, book calls out 383 4 barrel with A/C 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1570846 01/31/14 12:30 AM 01/31/14 12:30 AM
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RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	I know you could get s 383 4 speed with air but was a 440 4 speed ever available with air conditioning?

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1570847 01/31/14 12:34 AM 01/31/14 12:34 AM
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AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Quote: I know you could get s 383 4 speed with air but was a 440 4 speed ever available with air conditioning? No, 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1570848 01/31/14 01:26 AM 01/31/14 01:26 AM
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hemi68charger master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike Good picture Mike......... Very wise of you to ask a question before stripping and repainting, without duplicating the ID... Good job.. Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: hemi68charger] #1570849 01/31/14 04:01 AM 01/31/14 04:01 AM
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6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	I always "assumed" the 5 was left over from the days (or related to) when the automatic sales code was 395 & 4-speeds were 393, but that doesn't explain the 0

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: 6bblgt] #1570850 01/31/14 02:44 PM 01/31/14 02:44 PM
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FJ5_Fish pro stock Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,294 Ontario, Canada	The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc. This number is based on the Engineering number for the Kick-down linkage. That is why standard transmission cars have a "0" on the v/cover....no kick-down linkage. I have a bunch of pics of various cars...I'll look for them. I have not seen these numbers on some low-mile, original cars....it seems not all had these markings....they were probably identified by different means...such as paper tags etc.

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic [Re: FJ5_Fish] #1570851 01/31/14 02:53 PM 01/31/14 02:53 PM
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FJ5_Fish pro stock Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,294 Ontario, Canada	Found the pics from my Doc-Tona. 440 Auto. This one has a "5" for the auto trans... 8019823-DSC01650-s.JPG (294 downloads)

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