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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: OUTLAWD] #1570670
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lol, thump knows I'm just messing w/ him. I can go either way trunk is fine...it will be a much easier install. I don't know who asked but I have no idea what my AFR is. The plugs look good, it doesn't rich (well maybe a tad) I've driven a few NOS cars down the track, never installed a kit, although I did manage to do a S/C'd 440 w/ just a book. I plan on following the instructions w/ timing and fuel. It's only a 100 to start and maybe 150 for Sheets and Giggles. This isn't for running 10.5/275 class or to try and get into the 9's, it's more for fun. I bought the engine from a moparts member that was going to run a 200 shot on it in an A-body. I'm not worried about it coming apart w/ a small shot. I know a convert and 4bbl would be best however I DO NOT feel like dropping the trans. It has a nice Turbo Action in it now that works fine for now. I have the complete kit for my 6-pack and a full bottle so it's going on.




I would definitely suggest a heater and good pressure gauge to keep tabs on things regardless where you mount it. The consistency of the tune is going to heavily rely on nitrous and fuel pressure, and once you get it dialed it any big fluctuations could cause problems.

Also, as Monte mentioned, a 1/4 turn valve within arms reach is nice. I don't like the pressure sitting on the solenoids all the time, and it is easy to kill in the event of an incident, or a solenoid sticking, etc.




What temp should the bottle be? I swear most of the guys here do not run heaters. Again this isn't for an all out racecar that uses N2O each run.

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: 74yellowduster] #1570671
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the converter alone will gain you 2 tenths. it will be money well spent.






Yuck, exactly what Vert do you have?


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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Von] #1570672
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the converter alone will gain you 2 tenths. it will be money well spent.






Yuck, exactly what Vert do you have?




Turbo Action 3800, I also need to work on getting it to hook. My 60's have been aweful. Either going w/ Cal-Tracs or "Assassin" bars. Right now I'm at 1.65-1.70 even worse if I come out just off idle and mash it...but I've posted about that before The NOS and bars are the 2 off season "to-do's"

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1570673
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Its not so much what the temp is but what the pressure is. 900-950 PSI is ideal from what I know.

I do know that if you have 1200PSI and your system is real rich so you run it anyways....it leaves REALLY hard and rolls the stock spring perches off the housing.


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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Bad340fish] #1570674
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Its not so much what the temp is but what the pressure is. 900-950 PSI is ideal from what I know.

I do know that if you have 1200PSI and your system is real rich so you run it anyways....it leaves REALLY hard and rolls the stock spring perches off the housing.




sounds like you have some expierence with that.

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Sport440] #1570675
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Wow, the bad advice and misinformation is running rampant in this thread..........LOL!!!

"Sport" I agree and disagree! Lots of legit warnings IMO for putting the bottle where he wants it. As you did yourself.

First off, nitrous neither burns, nor is explosive. The ONLY time a bottle will explode is if some idiot has blanked off the burst disc or the bottle has been damaged. Nitrous bottles DO NOT "just blow up".
Monte




Yep, I agree.

But, yet, for many misinformed individuals they have burst for more reasons then you stated. Faulty valves, fatigued tanks, improper heating, etc.

I feel one should know the potential power of one such failures, no matter how it occurs.

When one states that its not flammable nor explosive like Mr Yuck states, its good to state that its not as safe as cotton candy either.

There are plenty of tank failures on the net to show otherwise, no matter how they happened. Most of them , from ignorance. And some from just outright safety mechanical failures and stupidity as you state.


Again, tanks don't "just blow up" I don't care how many you tube videos there are. If the burst disc is in working order and the bottle is not damaged, it's just not gonna happen. Now, could you MAKE one blow up if you tried, sure, but in the normal course of things, not going to happen.

If you get the bottle too hot and raise the pressure too much, it blows the burst disc, which is usually rated at 2500psi. It takes INCREDIBLE pressure to blow a bottle. So like I said, working burst disc, bottle in good shape, NOT going to "blow up".

Now...ANY pressurized container can be MADE to blow, if you do something REALLY stupid. But I am about as worried about a nitrous bottle in a car as everyone else is with the multitude of "potential bombs" they have in their shops......lets see......air comp, oxy/acy cutting rig, fire extinguishers, paint cans, fuel and the list goes on and on.

Nitrous is no different than anything else....DON'T BE STUPID

I also love when guys post pics of fireballs out of hood scoops and immediately blame it on the nitrous. Guess they never had a thing called a BACKFIRE. If you caught an N/A car just right with a camera when IT backfired, you would see the same thing. Just LOOKS worse on a nitrous car, because there is more FUEL in the intake to burn when it coughs back.

Monte

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1570676
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lol, thump knows I'm just messing w/ him. I can go either way trunk is fine...it will be a much easier install. I don't know who asked but I have no idea what my AFR is. The plugs look good, it doesn't rich (well maybe a tad) I've driven a few NOS cars down the track, never installed a kit, although I did manage to do a S/C'd 440 w/ just a book. I plan on following the instructions w/ timing and fuel. It's only a 100 to start and maybe 150 for Sheets and Giggles. This isn't for running 10.5/275 class or to try and get into the 9's, it's more for fun. I bought the engine from a moparts member that was going to run a 200 shot on it in an A-body. I'm not worried about it coming apart w/ a small shot. I know a convert and 4bbl would be best however I DO NOT feel like dropping the trans. It has a nice Turbo Action in it now that works fine for now. I have the complete kit for my 6-pack and a full bottle so it's going on.




I took it as you were being serious and that`s cool cos I`m not trying to put anyone down and your car runs good at that weight but I guarantee I make it faster but you`re a bit of a distance away. You did mention how easy it is to make a gutted(if 3200 lbs. is gutted)a-body go 9`s but ANYONE can make their car way faster w/squeeze so whichever floats your boat but you`re the one lacking in desired performance relying on a power adder and I`m fine w/my performance all motor so good luck either way..............

Also, I may not use spray but at Pettis we had some of the fastest car around runnin it including Dougie and I know you better be a sharp tuner and fuel pressure and bottle temp can make you or break you...................I`m tired............

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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Thumperdart] #1570677
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If you're trying to build a sleeper out of a 2nd gen Charger, I'd reconsider. Everyone expects muscle cars to be fast.

As far as hidden nitrous systems go, I think under the dash is a cool idea.

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: gsmopar] #1570678
02/05/14 12:37 PM
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If you're trying to build a sleeper out of a 2nd gen Charger, I'd reconsider. Everyone expects muscle cars to be fast.

As far as hidden nitrous systems go, I think under the dash is a cool idea.




Not trying to completely hide it. I guess if I wanted to do that I'd fog it from under the intake. I'm just going to have some fun. One main reason was I already have a short piece of line and wouldn't have to buy 16" feet of it. and I have nothing under the dash so to speak. The biggest challenge would be taking it in and out as I'd have to do some twisting. Unless I bring my 12 y/o, he can fit pretty easy...lol

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If you're trying to build a sleeper out of a 2nd gen Charger, I'd reconsider. Everyone expects muscle cars to be fast.

As far as hidden nitrous systems go, I think under the dash is a cool idea.




Not trying to completely hide it. I guess if I wanted to do that I'd fog it from under the intake. I'm just going to have some fun. One main reason was I already have a short piece of line and wouldn't have to buy 16" feet of it. and I have nothing under the dash so to speak. The biggest challenge would be taking it in and out as I'd have to do some twisting. Unless I bring my 12 y/o, he can fit pretty easy...lol




Dont bother trying to put it under the dash... mount
it so its simple to get in and out... there is no
reason you have to twist in half to mount the bottle

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1570680
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If you're trying to build a sleeper out of a 2nd gen Charger, I'd reconsider. Everyone expects muscle cars to be fast.

As far as hidden nitrous systems go, I think under the dash is a cool idea.




Not trying to completely hide it. I guess if I wanted to do that I'd fog it from under the intake. I'm just going to have some fun. One main reason was I already have a short piece of line and wouldn't have to buy 16" feet of it. and I have nothing under the dash so to speak. The biggest challenge would be taking it in and out as I'd have to do some twisting. Unless I bring my 12 y/o, he can fit pretty easy...lol




Dont bother trying to put it under the dash... mount
it so its simple to get in and out... there is no
reason you have to twist in half to mount the bottle





actually I should be able to open the glove box door, and load it/drop it while sitting in the pass seat hunching over.. I'll mock it up and see how much of a PITA it is.

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1570681
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Not trying to completely hide it.



Then why bother to "semi-hide" it?

Buy a longer line and bolt it down it in the trunk like everyone else!

Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: BradH] #1570682
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Not trying to completely hide it.



Then why bother to "semi-hide" it?

Buy a longer line and bolt it down it in the trunk like everyone else!




lol hide it from the casual observer. With the 6-pack base on you probably won't be able to see any of the NOS stuff. Plus the truck is where I keep my beer.
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1570683
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Gonna be a PITA to heat the bottle w/ it mounted under there.


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'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1570684
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Gonna be a PITA to heat the bottle w/ it mounted under there.




yeah that's what people keep saying. However most of the guys around here don't heat them and I swear growing up nobody did. How hot does it need to be? I'm guessing on a typical summer day it's going to be pretty hot under there, it's right behind the engine and I have no insolation.....

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Gonna be a PITA to heat the bottle w/ it mounted under there.




yeah that's what people keep saying. However most of the guys around here don't heat them and I swear growing up nobody did. How hot does it need to be? I'm guessing on a typical summer day it's going to be pretty hot under there, it's right behind the engine and I have no insolation.....



I bet they do and you're just not seeing them do it. Or they're using warm water (bath warmers) and just putting a warm bottle in the car. Usually the temp is in the 85-90° range if I recall correctly.

If you don't stay on top of the bottle pressure and/or temperature, you're not gonna be abe to tune the nitrous at all and you'll most likely hurt some parts.
On the typical summer day, it will most likely get too hot under there.


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1570686
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Gonna be a PITA to heat the bottle w/ it mounted under there.




yeah that's what people keep saying. However most of the guys around here don't heat them and I swear growing up nobody did. How hot does it need to be? I'm guessing on a typical summer day it's going to be pretty hot under there, it's right behind the engine and I have no insolation.....




This is one of the ares I see guys screw up in. Pressure is the key hence the bottle heater and I just don`t get it w/some guys...........no heater, no gauge to know where their pressure`s at...........


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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Thumperdart] #1570687
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I have a heater with a pressure switch hooked to the control. Also have a gauge, use the purge for consistent pressure at the starting line. 950psi seemed to give me good consistency without too much pressure drop throughout the run with a small shot. higher pressure will "hit" harder, but run the risk of being lean, and pressure will drop more over the run.


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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: OUTLAWD] #1570688
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I have a heater with a pressure switch hooked to the control. Also have a gauge, use the purge for consistent pressure at the starting line. 950psi seemed to give me good consistency without too much pressure drop throughout the run with a small shot. higher pressure will "hit" harder, but run the risk of being lean, and pressure will drop more over the run.




Smart man...................... I`m no nos guy but the guys blowin stuff up generally have no heater or pressure gauge and figure it`s not needed and I`m sure Monte has a few stories.............


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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't [Re: Thumperdart] #1570689
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I'm still a N2O novice by all means, but did quite a bit of homework before I installed my first kit, and everything went smooth. tune-up, plugs and timing were all basically spot on from the start...

Installing a kit at the moment on my other car, running similar times to Mr. Y, so it will be interesting to see how our results compare


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