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Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: 68LAR] #1569705
01/28/14 03:31 PM
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All rubber on my street/strip Dart, it's been 1.38 60'. Would like to have tubular uppers and adjustable strut rods though.

Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: cudadoug] #1569706
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No question - POLY.


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Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: Crizila] #1569707
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All stock front with rubber best 60'1.28

Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: cudadoug] #1569708
01/29/14 03:44 PM
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Since your 75% street I would stay with rubber. I switched my 69 Bee to poly five years ago and don't like it on the street. I'm going back to rubber. I never had alignment issues with rubber. I had to have it aligned twice so far with the poly in it and it needs aligning again. 100% strip poly.

Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: Dabee] #1569709
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Since your 75% street I would stay with rubber. I switched my 69 Bee to poly five years ago and don't like it on the street. I'm going back to rubber. I never had alignment issues with rubber. I had to have it aligned twice so far with the poly in it and it needs aligning again. 100% strip poly.


Rubber does cover up many alignment ill's.


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Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: Crizila] #1569710
01/29/14 11:32 PM
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So nobody has any experience with Nylon/teflon LCA bushings VS poly?

Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: 72demon416] #1569711
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What is the final word on this? None of the answers seem to be in agreeance, which style will allow for the best weight transfer between poly and rubber?


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: GTX MATT] #1569712
01/30/14 03:51 PM
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I have poly up front on mine. I just made sure my UCA bushings move freely to get weight transfer. They tend to be tight.
Been 1.320 sixty foot w/ Cal-Tracs on radials.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: 72demon416] #1569713
01/30/14 08:15 PM
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So nobody has any experience with Nylon/teflon LCA bushings VS poly?




I'm using Delrin (nylon), poly is, IMo only a short term improvement over rubber, before it craps out, it really has, again IMo, a short useful life, and that that bothers me, as it has little warning before failure. I'm making my own Delrin to replace poly where I can.


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Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: jcc] #1569714
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So nobody has any experience with Nylon/teflon LCA bushings VS poly?




I'm using Delrin (nylon), poly is, IMo only a short term improvement over rubber, before it craps out, it really has, again IMo, a short useful life, and that that bothers me, as it has little warning before failure. I'm making my own Delrin to replace poly where I can.





So I am assuming you're making ALL of your nylon stuff, right? I don't find where nylon is available for Mopars and no user feedback anywhere, either.

Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: GTX MATT] #1569715
01/30/14 09:56 PM
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What is the final word on this? None of the answers seem to be in agreeance, which style will allow for the best weight transfer between poly and rubber?




Heim joints are the best. But it looks like either will work and the poly lasts longer and is stiffer for better handling. I have had energy suspension bushings in my car for ten years with no problems, so I would go that route.


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Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: GTX MATT] #1569716
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What is the final word on this? None of the answers seem to be in agreeance, which style will allow for the best weight transfer between poly and rubber?


There is no ONE answer for every car. The more power the car has, the less it has to rely on pitch rotation to make the car work, so a loosey goosey front with lots of travel is not needed.

One of the BIGGEST problems guys have now making their cars work, is that the fronts are TOO loose. They still think all that stuff that needed to be done in the 60s to make cars work on junk tracks, with junk tires, still applys today.......Not the case

Monte

Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: Monte_Smith] #1569717
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What is the final word on this? None of the answers seem to be in agreeance, which style will allow for the best weight transfer between poly and rubber?


There is no ONE answer for every car. The more power the car has, the less it has to rely on pitch rotation to make the car work, so a loosey goosey front with lots of travel is not needed.

One of the BIGGEST problems guys have now making their cars work, is that the fronts are TOO loose. They still think all that stuff that needed to be done in the 60s to make cars work on junk tracks, with junk tires, still applys today.......Not the case

Monte




Fair enough, whats the best guess on a mid 11 second 3800 lb 4 speed B body? Super Stock springs with 318 T bars


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: Monte_Smith] #1569718
01/31/14 12:01 AM
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One of the BIGGEST problems guys have now making their cars work, is that the fronts are TOO loose. They still think all that stuff that needed to be done in the 60s to make cars work on junk tracks, with junk tires, still applys today.......Not the case

Monte




I'll take too loose and slow it down with shocks as opposed to too tight.

Re: Street/strip guys: Front ends...poly or rubber?? [Re: justinp61] #1569719
01/31/14 07:44 AM
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I used poly and I did what and old racer told me to do . Grease it very good and use nylon loc nuts on cam bolts. After you get it aligned just do a couple of spot welds on the cam just to lock em on place but in a easy spot if you need to grind em out . Now loosen up cam bolt just enough to let the arm move free Works like a charm.

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