Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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Street ability I would go with leaf springs and caltrac's. But for the race stand point a ladder bar is going to be a better overall for you. IMO. I don't have a problem driving a 4 link strut car with a big cid engine and a dominator on the street. Everyone has a different level of what they think a "street" car is. It I were in your shoes I would put ladder bars and an anti roll bar on it with some good coil over double adjustable shocks.
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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Heck if you are going to do all that work why don't you just put a 4 link in it?
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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You can get a 4 link to act just like a ladder bar with the right adjustment. typically you can set one neutral with an anti roll bar in the system and drive it on the street and then run it at the track. There is always a happy medium that you can adjust to. I know guys that have a "street setting" and when they get to the track they get under the car and use their "race" setting. Once you figure out what it likes you really wouldn't spend much time changing it back and forth. Or set it in one place and go with it. No matter what you go with try to keep out of putting preload in the suspension. Preload is bind on the system.
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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I left mine on leafs & add cal-tracs. Also added an anti roll bar. Cars are in the 6's now over 200MPH on leafs. It can be done, just needs alot more tuning.
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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Going with boost someday with mine also.
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.
Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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As I keep turning up the boost I can't help but notice that my 40yr old springs are starting to loose their bounce. I've lost ride height on the pass. side and even with the rear sway bar preloaded, the body still rolls alittle to that side. My question is, from a cost and streetablilty standpoint, which would be the best route to go, caltracs and new leafs or ladder bars? This car is 90% street but is driven hard an sees alot of stoplight challenges
I'd keep the weak springs and add Caltracs and a good shock...
Do you think the old springs are a safety item?
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.
Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?
With just solid rod ends you will bend those front mounts if you go into any corner fairly hard... there is enough side load and leverage to bend them and then the tire is into the fender... you need a lateral bar of some type... I have ladder bars in my Rampage with a diagonal link(I've used this set up in multiple street cars)... one thing for the street... you should brace the lower ladder bar mount near the hole where the diagonal bar mounts... otherwise it will flex and break If you want a real nice set up for the street.. run a Watts Link
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.
Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?
With just solid rod ends you will bend those front mounts if you go into any corner fairly hard... there is enough side load and leverage to bend them and then the tire is into the fender... you need a lateral bar of some type... I have ladder bars in my Rampage with a diagonal link(I've used this set up in multiple street cars)... one thing for the street... you should brace the lower ladder bar mount near the hole where the diagonal bar mounts... otherwise it will flex and break If you want a real nice set up for the street.. run a Watts Link
To add one thing to what Mike suggests, be sure and box the rear brackets on the rear end housing. If you get the car sideways, they can lay over and cause issues.
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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Ladder bar with leaf springs and a floater actually work pretty good! I used to crew for a guy that ran that set up and that thing was deadly consistant. If I would have been smarter back then I would have bought that car when he offered it to me for $5,500 turn key with an indy head motor in it!
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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I found a set of ladders cheap and somewhere I have a floater kit I bought along the way if I can find it.
Ladder bars and floater will work but you still need a decent set of shocks... the only problem with the ladder bar and leafs is the added weight... pick up a set of leaf springs vs a pair of coil over springs
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Re: Leafs and Caltracs or ladders?
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Just remember if you go with the floaters to keep them clean and lubed .. otherwise they will bind up and give you all sorts of problems
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