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Leafs and Caltracs or ladders? #1540078
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As I keep turning up the boost I can't help but notice that my 40yr old springs are starting to loose their bounce. I've lost ride height on the pass. side and even with the rear sway bar preloaded, the body still rolls alittle to that side. My question is, from a cost and streetablilty standpoint, which would be the best route to go, caltracs and new leafs or ladder bars? This car is 90% street but is driven hard an sees alot of stoplight challenges

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Street ability I would go with leaf springs and caltrac's. But for the race stand point a ladder bar is going to be a better overall for you. IMO. I don't have a problem driving a 4 link strut car with a big cid engine and a dominator on the street. Everyone has a different level of what they think a "street" car is. It I were in your shoes I would put ladder bars and an anti roll bar on it with some good coil over double adjustable shocks.


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I'm in the same boat, I would drive a tube car on the street lol. The ride quality now sucks anyway because of how low I've got it sitting. Price wise they both seem to look about the same too. The advantage of ladderbars too is I can adjust ride height at any time.

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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.


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Good to know thanks! My buddy had a wishbone that came off a nova drag car I'll have to see if he still has it around.

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Heck if you are going to do all that work why don't you just put a 4 link in it?


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I could but even when I get done I'll probably still be under 600hp anyway and I don't race enough to need the tuneability of a four link. Plus I would need alot of help getting the 4 link not to send me into the wall

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You can get a 4 link to act just like a ladder bar with the right adjustment. typically you can set one neutral with an anti roll bar in the system and drive it on the street and then run it at the track. There is always a happy medium that you can adjust to. I know guys that have a "street setting" and when they get to the track they get under the car and use their "race" setting. Once you figure out what it likes you really wouldn't spend much time changing it back and forth. Or set it in one place and go with it. No matter what you go with try to keep out of putting preload in the suspension. Preload is bind on the system.


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I left mine on leafs & add cal-tracs. Also added an anti roll bar. Cars are in the 6's now over 200MPH on leafs. It can be done, just needs alot more tuning.

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Going with boost someday with mine also.


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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.




Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?

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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.




Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?




and if you get the car side ways at all how much load is on those solid rodends? The fronts you should never run a solid joint. There is too much stress and articulation going on in that area. The rear on the housing is ok with them but on the front you really should run a good quality heim. Some of the kits come with all solid. That is for the cost effectiveness to the manufacturer. It doesn't mean its the best thing for the customer.


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My Duster had 1/4 Max ladder bars with a diagonal link andStrange single adjustable coil overs. that combination work well on a good track, not so on a bad track or on the street all the time I ended up switching them to double adjustable and that was worth doing to start with Buy the good double adjustables ones to start with My car had 170 lb springs on the back, the double adjustables I bought came with 150 lb springs, that road better on the street My car weighed 3450 lbs wet with me in it. I did buy the longest travel ones that Strange offer at that time, 16.5 inches extended, that gave me about sevin inches fo travel stop to stop IHTHsBTw, that car will hook in a mud puddle in the middle of a rain storm 1.39 60 fts. on ET Street Radials I had the front hiem joint in the lowest hole with no preload on the bars, the car went straight and was easy to drive


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As I keep turning up the boost I can't help but notice that my 40yr old springs are starting to loose their bounce. I've lost ride height on the pass. side and even with the rear sway bar preloaded, the body still rolls alittle to that side. My question is, from a cost and streetablilty standpoint, which would be the best route to go, caltracs and new leafs or ladder bars? This car is 90% street but is driven hard an sees alot of stoplight challenges




I'd keep the weak springs and add Caltracs and a good shock...


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As I keep turning up the boost I can't help but notice that my 40yr old springs are starting to loose their bounce. I've lost ride height on the pass. side and even with the rear sway bar preloaded, the body still rolls alittle to that side. My question is, from a cost and streetablilty standpoint, which would be the best route to go, caltracs and new leafs or ladder bars? This car is 90% street but is driven hard an sees alot of stoplight challenges




I'd keep the weak springs and add Caltracs and a good shock...




Do you think the old springs are a safety item?

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I'm staying with the cal-trac mono split spring and now in search mode for that "good shock"

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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.




Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?




With just solid rod ends you will bend those front
mounts if you go into any corner fairly hard... there
is enough side load and leverage to bend them and
then the tire is into the fender... you need a lateral
bar of some type... I have ladder bars in my Rampage
with a diagonal link(I've used this set up in multiple
street cars)... one thing for the street... you should
brace the lower ladder bar mount near the hole where the
diagonal bar mounts... otherwise it will flex and break
If you want a real nice set up for the street.. run
a Watts Link

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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.




Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?




With just solid rod ends you will bend those front
mounts if you go into any corner fairly hard... there
is enough side load and leverage to bend them and
then the tire is into the fender... you need a lateral
bar of some type... I have ladder bars in my Rampage
with a diagonal link(I've used this set up in multiple
street cars)... one thing for the street... you should
brace the lower ladder bar mount near the hole where the
diagonal bar mounts... otherwise it will flex and break
If you want a real nice set up for the street.. run
a Watts Link



To add one thing to what Mike suggests, be sure and box the rear brackets on the rear end housing. If you get the car sideways, they can lay over and cause issues.


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I would also run a wish bone and not a diaganol/track locator. It will help keep the ladder bar and brackets from binding as you go in and out of drive ways and what not.




Correct me if I am wrong but don't most ladder bars comes with solid rod ends, not heim joints like a 4 link? And if they are solid ends, why would you need the wish bone? With the solid rod ends the rear won't pitch rotate, no? I'd agree that with heim joints you could benefit from a wish bone but with solid ends wouldn't a diagonal link be all you need?




With just solid rod ends you will bend those front
mounts if you go into any corner fairly hard... there
is enough side load and leverage to bend them and
then the tire is into the fender... you need a lateral
bar of some type... I have ladder bars in my Rampage
with a diagonal link(I've used this set up in multiple
street cars)... one thing for the street... you should
brace the lower ladder bar mount near the hole where the
diagonal bar mounts... otherwise it will flex and break
If you want a real nice set up for the street.. run
a Watts Link



To add one thing to what Mike suggests, be sure and box the rear brackets on the rear end housing. If you get the car sideways, they can lay over and cause issues.




Wow!! Gonna run out & take another look at mine.

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I'm staying with the cal-trac mono split spring and now in search mode for that "good shock"




AFCOS.........That`s probably going to be my next investment when I start racing again and Calvert can hook you up or I`m sure some on here can also. After reading about all of the extra work to make ladder bars work on the street I`d go Cal-Tracs w/the longer ft. segment w/good shocks and be done with it but hey, I`m lazy I guess.........


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What about ladders and leafs? Looks cheaper than Caltracs lol

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Ladder bar with leaf springs and a floater actually work pretty good! I used to crew for a guy that ran that set up and that thing was deadly consistant. If I would have been smarter back then I would have bought that car when he offered it to me for $5,500 turn key with an indy head motor in it!


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I found a set of ladders cheap and somewhere I have a floater kit I bought along the way if I can find it.

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I found a set of ladders cheap and somewhere I have a floater kit I bought along the way if I can find it.




Ladder bars and floater will work but you still need
a decent set of shocks... the only problem with the
ladder bar and leafs is the added weight... pick up
a set of leaf springs vs a pair of coil over springs

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What about ladders and leafs? Looks cheaper than Caltracs lol




Thats what I had and worked good up until I got to the low 10's and even with new slicks and adjustable shocks my 60 foot times would vary a tenth from run to run. Besides going away from leafs you cut out a bunch of weight.

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I'm not too concerned with the weight, I will be adding a A/W intercooler and cage soon anyway so I'll be adding a couple hundred pounds easy. The car weighs 2915 without me in it so race weight when I get the cage and intercooler in will be close to 3300 with me in it.

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Just remember if you go with the floaters to keep them
clean and lubed .. otherwise they will bind up and
give you all sorts of problems

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I just found a nice set of coilovers from S&W that are affordable...so I might go that route. I've got alittle bit of time to decide anyway, I'm waiting on money lol

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