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Intake gasket still leaking? #1530795
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well I am baffled a little. I pulled the heads checked the guides, they had a little wear but I have seen worse. so I changed the seals to vitons in hope of that being the problem. replaced the intake gaskets put it back together. started it up and no smoke at first and thought I had it fixed. after a few minutes of running it started smoking again. so I shut it off let it set and started it up again, big puff of smoke. took the intake off and setting on top of the closed valves is over an ounce of oil setting on them. but you can see a trail of oil that looks like it's coming from the gasket at the bottom. but it doesn't make any sense, how will it get in the runner with the motor shut off? here is the pics, look close you can see the trail on the intake runner.


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What head are you using? The more info the better feedback.


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Take the gasket off one side. Put intake back on and snug the bolts on the side with the gasket still made. Look to see if the intake lifts up when you tighten the bolts. If everything looks good slide a feeler gauge in and see how much gasket thickness you have on the gasketless side. Your intake may be milled too much or have the wrong angles milled into it.

How much crankcase pressure you have?

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What head are you using? The more info the better feedback.


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Take the gasket off one side. Put intake back on and snug the bolts on the side with the gasket still made. Look to see if the intake lifts up when you tighten the bolts. If everything looks good slide a feeler gauge in and see how much gasket thickness you have on the gasketless side. Your intake may be milled too much or have the wrong angles milled into it.

How much crankcase pressure you have?

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Leon i didn't think to check but i didn't see any blow by. i will try that if i have another gasket.

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Take the gasket off one side. Put intake back on and snug the bolts on the side with the gasket still made. Look to see if the intake lifts up when you tighten the bolts. If everything looks good slide a feeler gauge in and see how much gasket thickness you have on the gasketless side. Your intake may be milled too much or have the wrong angles milled into it.

How much crankcase pressure you have?

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Leon i didn't think to check but i didn't see any blow by. i will try that if i have another gasket.


Angles don't match - would be my guess.


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I would try trimming the extra gasket material the is not sealing anything.

It appears there is a good crush on the gasket at the bottom though.


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I would try trimming the extra gasket material the is not sealing anything.

It appears there is a good crush on the gasket at the bottom though.


thats an idea, but how will get that much oil on the valve after the motor is shut off? could be multiple problems here. I can see oil coming by the gasket while the motor is running but can't figure out where it is coming form after it's shut off

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I would try trimming the extra gasket material the is not sealing anything.

It appears there is a good crush on the gasket at the bottom though.


thats an idea, but how will get that much oil on the valve after the motor is shut off? could be multiple problems here. I can see oil coming by the gasket while the motor is running but can't figure out where it is coming form after it's shut off





Head leaking at the spring seat. Same thing i believe i said last time


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i checked that, but i guess it's possible to leak between the guide and the head? there is a pool of oil around the spring when shut off

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Many of these heads have deep pockets that the valve spring sits in and a lot of oil is trapped there. I always take a small burr while the valve spring is out and grind a relief so oil can get out. W5's were terrible for this and even small block Edelbrocks get some work. I had a set of small block Edelbrock do the same thing your heads are doing and it was from a small hole left at the head bolt bulge. That is the reason I now tube ever head I port. I primed the engine with the intake off and it was REAL easy to find.


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i was going to do that and absolutely forgot

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it seems to be doing it on all cylinders so it would have to be a common area

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How does the inside of the intake manifold look? The reason I ask is that a few years ago my son had about 1/4 inch piece of an intake valve break off on Number 3 cylinder. It made its way across the intake manifold and landed on the top of a piston on the passenger side of the engine. Had to pull that head too so we could get the piece out. So one port could be leaking and then being sucked into the other ports.


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ok how does one check the angle on the heads and intake?

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here is what I did this morning. i leveled the block with my digital angle finder. put it on the intake side of the heads came up 47.8 leveled the intake and came up with 48.0 i grant you this is crude but it looks like it is not angle

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How does the inside of the intake manifold look? The reason I ask is that a few years ago my son had about 1/4 inch piece of an intake valve break off on Number 3 cylinder. It made its way across the intake manifold and landed on the top of a piston on the passenger side of the engine. Had to pull that head too so we could get the piece out. So one port could be leaking and then being sucked into the other ports.


it looks good

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Tony if you are getting that much oil sitting on top the valve it HAS to be getting in there after shut-down. To do that it has to be draining from somewhere such as a spring seat or rocker lubing bolt hole. The intake face is to far above the lifter valley to be leaking into the port after shut-down. Pull the distributor and prime the engine with a drill. Take an old oil can and pump oil into the spring pocket on top the head with the rockers backed off to see if its a spring seat. If it is you can epoxy a hardened spring shim in place. Just some thoughts on what it may be.


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Tony if you are getting that much oil sitting on top the valve it HAS to be getting in there after shut-down. To do that it has to be draining from somewhere such as a spring seat or rocker lubing bolt hole. The intake face is to far above the lifter valley to be leaking into the port after shut-down. Pull the distributor and prime the engine with a drill. Take an old oil can and pump oil into the spring pocket on top the head with the rockers backed off to see if its a spring seat. If it is you can epoxy a hardened spring shim in place. Just some thoughts on what it may be.


I agree already thought about doing that. i may just block the heads a little so the oil wont drain so fast. not that it needs that

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