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hard starting hot not heat soak #1529114
11/05/13 07:56 PM
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just got done with my 410 stroker, runs really great when on a good drive turn it off and try to restart right away. cranks slow starter draging.. Is this because the timming is advanced too far?

Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: moparmikethree] #1529115
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just got done with my 410 stroker, runs really great when on a good drive turn it off and try to restart right away. cranks slow starter draging.. Is this because the timming is advanced too far?




You running headers?

Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: moparmikethree] #1529116
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Timing would be my starting point.


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yes I am running headers

Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: moparmikethree] #1529118
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Why not heat soak? Do you mean not heat soaked starter? It's either that, timing or something real tight in the engine.

Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: moparmikethree] #1529119
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Hello Michael, Take the coil secondary wire out of the dist & ground it & retry it & that'll tell you immediately if it is from too much initial. If that ain't it then (1) faulty starter (2) starter getting too hot (3) too small of cables (common with batt in trunk/extremely rare with batt up front) (4) poor connection on the large cable circuit including the positive from batt post to starter & starter back to block/block to batt neg post. (5) Way way less likely would be excessive ring drag (6) bad batt (sulphated or bad cell)


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Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: WyleECoyote] #1529120
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Timing would be my starting point.




I'd want to know what the timing is during cranking before I retarded it.


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Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: Magnum] #1529121
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If the timing isn't the issue (you disconnect the coil wire and it still cranks slow), get a voltmeter (analog is easier, sweeping needle easier to read) and connect it to Each End of the circuit you want to test, then crank the engine. The reading on the voltmeter WHILE the engine is cranking is the voltage you are loosing in that circuit. (If the needle tries to go backwards, switch your leads around) Ex: connect voltmeter to postiive battery cable at the battery and positive battery cable end at the starter, crank engine, voltage shown is lost traveling through only the positive cable. Common Voltage Drop test. Do this at each circuit and connection. Another ex: Hooking the voltmeter to the positive (or negative) cable at the battery and holding the other lead securely to the Same Post and cranking the engine will show voltage lost at that connection (dirty batt cables). None should exceed 1/2 volt. Hope this helps.
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Yeah, it's hopped up to over 160...
Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: jt4406] #1529122
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Chased this problem on the GTX, it ended up to be the battery.

Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: moparmikethree] #1529123
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I'm assuming that when your car is cool,
It cranks and starts much easier and faster,
Correct?

Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: HairOtheDog] #1529124
11/07/13 10:18 PM
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Right when cold fires right up When it's run for awhile it turns over slow. If it cools down it'll fire right up

Re: hard starting hot not heat soak [Re: moparmikethree] #1529125
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Mike, any news? I'm going to take a WAG & say "starter"


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