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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Twostick] #1526170
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O.K.So it won't rev up as much but I willl still have the max wedge majic?You only live once I guess. But did you see those tires I am running. I don't want to run huge meats out back. I really like the grandma look. Thanks guys. I just have never had a engine with that much power on tap. And want to be sure it will be reliable. And last me a long time.

Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: keith airgrabber] #1526171
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You only need a new flywheel if you go with an 8 bolt crank. You can get a 6 bolt stroker crank if you want to keep your existing flywheel.

Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: AndyF] #1526172
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Make sure you have a good fuel system to support it. No use building it if it's going to starve for fuel and burn a piston.


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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: keith airgrabber] #1526173
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O.K.So it won't rev up as much ........ And want to be sure it will be reliable. And last me a long time.




It's not that it won't rev, but it really won't need to. If you built it with an Indy single-plane, and all the pieces to match, it would rev 7k+.

Reliable?? Rpm's mean higher stress on components. That's why strokers make sense for the street if set-up right.

Or just build a 440 and shred those skinny 14's all you want.


R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04
Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #1526174
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I had a '64 Polara that was built with a 383. I put in a 440 and later wished I had put in a Low Deck motor. A stroked 383 or 400 would fit better (easier plug access), easier and cheaper to build (particularly using a 383 as the core would be cheaper than a 400) and the sleeper effect would be there


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1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Polarapete] #1526175
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Main thing with the low block (383-400) is that if he wants the Max Wedge look they dont make a crossram for the low deck. That one reason I went with the 440 block but I have no problems getting at my plugs or anything else for that matter. Ron

Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: 383man] #1526176
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My '64 did not have headers...it had the later '68 to 70 Magnum manifolds and it was easier to change the plugs from under the car

and if your not going to race it or show it and all you want to do is play with pony cars on back roads, why spend the money on the Max Wedge gear?


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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Polarapete] #1526177
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Sounds like he already has or is running this stuff now.

Kevin

Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Twostick] #1526178
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He may have been collecting parts for a long time, too.
Here is a thought, build a stealthy stroker on a 383 block, use an aluminum intake painted engine color with an 800cfm Edelbrock (w/o E-brock sticker) single four barrel, stock looking painted air cleaner, Magnum manifolds to keep the noise down, serious hydraulic cam for power, hide the electronic ignition, keep your 14" tires & poverty caps and sell the Max Wedge stuff to put the money into the rebuild. That way you have reliability, long life, ease of maintenance... but what the heck do I know?!!! Please yourself.


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1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Polarapete] #1526179
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My '64 did not have headers...it had the later '68 to 70 Magnum manifolds and it was easier to change the plugs from under the car

and if your not going to race it or show it and all you want to do is play with pony cars on back roads, why spend the money on the Max Wedge gear?




He did say he was going to use a crossram I believe. Even if he dont race some guys like the wow factor of the Max Wedge look when they pop the hood. I kinda went with the Max Wedge look but I could not really afford the crossram setup so I use a single carb intake as I figure I can go to the crossram later which I like that look. But it drives and runs so nice with the Indy dual plane intake and the 850 DP I use that for now I am sticking with that setup. I just tell people I got that rare factory option. After all the Nascar version of the Max Wedge had one carb. Ron

Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: 383man] #1526180
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I have a 511 stroker in my 69 Bee. It's a blast to drive, instant power. Just be careful driving a stroker on the street. Its hard to keep it hooked. The first day I drove mine on the street I almost lost it the first time I jumped on it from standing start, when I hit second under full power it went sideways. Now I get it rolling first then jump on it. On the track with DOT slicks it hooks good and runs 11.7. Not bad for a full interior , AC, PS, PB equipped 4,000 pound car. I say go for the big inches, you won't be sorry.

Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Dabee] #1526181
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do it and enjoy - the cross ram is fun but not real street friendly with a 4-speed - i went to a modman in-line dual quad

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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: DoubleD] #1526182
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be prepared for breaking everything in the drive line

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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: DoubleD] #1526183
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Just in-case you were wondering - it looks pretty stock on the outside

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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: DoubleD] #1526184
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I say stroke it I love my 493 and it's even more fun with a manual transmission. Like Andy says you don't need a new flywheel if you order a six bolt crank.
One thing I found too late with my Eagle crank was it wasn't drilled deep enough for my input shaft pilot. I had to whack about 1/2" off my brand new Richmond 5 speed input pilot
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: 383man] #1526185
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Yeah, the whole task is to create a max wedge. I have been collecting everything I need for the last 5 years. And now my day has come to make my dream a reality. I love the look of the cast iron headers and crossram. I have read and collected every magazine article I could. Even the magazines from the early sixties. So there is no other option for me. I want the stock max look. This stroking idea just came about when my engine shop guy told me about it. He said as long as your buying forged pistons and rods. You might as well stroke it too. So I thought about it and said to myself. Moparts members will be able to help me decide. And for sure I have decided to stroke the engine. Sounds like everybody is on board with the idea. I just wonder if the 3447 carburators will pump enough fuel? I don't want a hole in my piston. Like someone mentioned. I do have a set of 3705 carbs I would have to rebuild.
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: keith airgrabber] #1526186
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I understand the problem now You are sick, but then so am I!!!!
I think it is called Mopar Madness and it manifests itself in may ways, mostly in wanting the ability to demonstrate ridiculous horsepower to the unworthy to the detriment of tires and all things mechanical.


1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction
1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: Polarapete] #1526187
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I guess so. Makes sense to me.

Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: keith airgrabber] #1526188
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara [Re: keith airgrabber] #1526189
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