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Tire Testing with Hot Rod, Tire Rack and Hotchkis VIDEO #1523484
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kASM04zuHlo&feature=share&list=PLBE43441C8510DC95

Pretty good video with Elana. I can't wait til I can afford a Hotchkis setup for my Challenger... and get some tires.

Ryan

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Good vid. Now to see what size those goodins come in to fit the JunkYardDog on Torque Thrust D wheels.


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Re: Tire Testing with Hot Rod, Tire Rack and Hotchkis VIDEO [Re: Devil] #1523486
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I have been waiting for them to put the data out and the results were interesting. The RS-3's were a given to place so high, but beneath the Z2's?! Can't argue with hard numbers though... It does not look like the tires were heat cycled
I know that a few laps on an auto-x is not the same as a few hard laps around a track.

I'm still getting the Rivals


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Re: Tire Testing with Hot Rod, Tire Rack and Hotchkis VIDEO [Re: RylisPro] #1523487
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Few things you don't see in the video is how much better the Dunlop is overall. It was truly amazing. It put the power down better than any other tire and was the easiest to drive fast. On top of that, you could actually use it in the rain. The Rival is worthless in the wet.

The Rival was heat cycled btw, you just don't see it in the results. Everything was run the first day for times. We chose the Rival for all the action shots on the second day. Still had data logging, it didn't pick up anything. Of all the tires, we actually spent the most time with the Rival trying to make it faster. Used it for tire pressure testing to demonstrate gains/loses based on pressures. Still nothing.

Yes, the Dunlop is that good. I believe the ZII is new this year just like the Rival, now they just need more sizes.

Hopefully some guys switch from the Nitto based on this test. It's just bad. Nothing good to say about it other than it was the cheapest.

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Kevin Wesley

Re: Tire Testing with Hot Rod, Tire Rack and Hotchkis VIDEO [Re: Consulier] #1523488
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Since the Dunlop tested so well, hopefully they will see a market and start producing the larger tires.

Cool video!

Re: Tire Testing with Hot Rod, Tire Rack and Hotchkis VIDEO [Re: Consulier] #1523489
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Thanks for the info Kevin!

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Where are the results? I searched the hotrod.com sight and didn't find it.

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Here.

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That's cool how did you capture that frame from the video?

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I didnt, I stole it from another site that did.


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Hopefully Dunlop makes these tires in the wider sizes soon.

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A glowing review for the Dunlops. Too bad they only come in import sizes. I'd almost be tempted to get some 255's (widest they make in 17) and put 'em on some stock 17x8" rims to sleeper-up my 96GT, but i dont think i could stand looking at them for too long... Too tiny.

The Rivals dont seem to be getting any love here, but if they're better than a KDW2 (they'd have to be, wouldn't they?) then thats more than enough for me. If the Dunlops came in real sizes i'd buy 'em instead though.

I'll actually be in the market for some brand new tires come spring... Been driving for over 20 years, NEVER had brand new tires...

Re: Tire Testing with Hot Rod, Tire Rack and Hotchkis VIDEO [Re: PHJ426] #1523496
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Quote:



Hopefully Dunlop makes these tires in the wider sizes soon.




I'm planning on buying new rims and tires come spring!
So far it's still the Falkens as far as sizing goes.

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One thing buyers/competitors may want to consider is that some of the sanctioned race/autocross events have contingency awards offered to competitiors competing on their name-brand products, such as certain tire brands... that could sway your choices if you want to try to cash-in on winning (1st place always, as well as typically 2nd place and sometimes 3rd place). This is not to say that the best products always win... the nut-behind-the-wheel (aka "driver") still makes the biggest difference at each event on any day.


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Hopefully some guys switch from the Nitto based on this test. It's just bad. Nothing good to say about it other than it was the cheapest.




I wonder if the Nittos would have done better had they been the same actual size ov the others. If they were all 285's, then the Nittos would have measured like a 265. They're always small. Maybe 305 Nittos against all those other 285's would have fared better? I dont want to sound apologist for Nitto though... I honestly wonder why anyone buys them.

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I like my Super Sports.

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They were all 275/35, but had a rather large difference in width across the brands.

Watch the video and you can see 5 or so sets stacked by the trailer. The Dunlop is by far the tallest stack, then Falken and down the line. BFG wasn't in the shot, but similar to the Dunlop. The Nitto is the smallest of the bunch and then it has those 2 massive tread voids around the middle of the tire. It's just that much less rubber it can put on the road and that is where the grip comes from. No tread, no chance.

One thing that I didn't expect to see as an issue was wheel hop. The Dunlop did the best at allowing you to use the brakes and it had the least amount wheel hop of them all. You would typically not hear anything about how well a tire controls wheel hop in any late model article. With our leaf spring cars, it's an important piece of the puzzle when making a selection.

There will be a lot more detail about the tires in the written article and online.

Thanks,

Kevin Wesley

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Quote:

I like my Super Sports.




What is it with the Michelin? People are loyal to that tire, but it was definitely outclassed by a lot of the others.

I'm loyal to Falken because they are supporting the project, but if I were buying my own tires it would definitely be the Dunlop. I've fought power on grip since putting the car together and I know now it's not anything with the car. The Falken simply won't put the power down and the Dunlop will.

Here's a bit of perspective if you lay it out in competition. I was 7th on the road course at Motorstate this year. A tire change would have quite clearly put me in the top 4, if not top 3. Sometimes change is good.

Thanks,

Kevin Wesley

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Hey Kevin .. off topic a bit, you said in the video that you are running a RS 600 transmission in the car, how is it compared to the tremac?


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Great video, seeing real data from both times and the accelerometer is refreshing!

Dumb question though.... any idea why the Goodyear Eagle Supercar G2's weren't included? They are the OEM tire on the best of the best pony cars (GT500 SVT performance package, ZL1, etc), and it would have been interesting to see how they stack up.

And as an aside- Kevin, your Taxi is awesome.


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