Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey #1523416
10/26/13 12:06 AM
10/26/13 12:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
For all of you who might own original paint 68-71 340 engines. Was your distributor hold down clamp originally painted or unpainted? Same question on the hold down bolt?

7901001-340clampB.jpg (83 downloads)
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523417
10/26/13 12:11 AM
10/26/13 12:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,651
Hamtramck, PA
A
Alaskan_TA Offline
Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA  Offline
Fluffy Balladeer
A

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 29,651
Hamtramck, PA
From the low mile T/A;

7901007-ccc.JPG (109 downloads)
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1523418
10/26/13 12:15 AM
10/26/13 12:15 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,123
Warrenton, VA
RoadRunnerJD Offline
master
RoadRunnerJD  Offline
master

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,123
Warrenton, VA
Not painted on my 69 340 Barracuda...nor my 440 6bbl. I would bet the S.O.P. for the distributor and hold down were to install after paint?

Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1523419
10/26/13 12:19 AM
10/26/13 12:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
Quote:

I would bet the S.O.P. for the distributor and hold down were to install after paint?




I'd agree with that, just doing a little research

Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1523420
10/26/13 12:31 AM
10/26/13 12:31 AM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
M
mopar346 Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
mopar346  Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
M

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
Quote:

Not painted on my 69 340 Barracuda...nor my 440 6bbl. I would bet the S.O.P. for the distributor and hold down were to install after paint?




You would think, but many cases of painted/oversprayed distributor bases on originals.


Careful, your character's showing!
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: mopar346] #1523421
10/26/13 12:40 AM
10/26/13 12:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
Quote:


You would think, but many cases of painted/oversprayed distributor bases on originals.




Which brings up the question of; was the engine paint touched up over the years or was the over spray original?

Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523422
10/26/13 12:46 AM
10/26/13 12:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,540
Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
Rhinodart Offline
Rhinotruck
Rhinodart  Offline
Rhinotruck

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,540
Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
You know what car this is out of, but then again we figured out that it may have been touched-up after the carb fire...

7901051-HP435111.JPG (57 downloads)

The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.

JB Rhinehart, Realist

A-Body's RULE!
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: Rhinodart] #1523423
10/26/13 12:49 AM
10/26/13 12:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
Quote:

You know what car this is out of, but then again we figured out that it may have been touched-up after the carb fire...




Correct, it absolutely was touched up after the fire, the question is: Was that touch up paint or...?

The paint on the example I posted a pic of looks really original, but I didn't remove it myself so I can't really use it as an example.

Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523424
10/26/13 12:59 AM
10/26/13 12:59 AM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
M
mopar346 Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
mopar346  Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
M

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
Quote:

Quote:


You would think, but many cases of painted/oversprayed distributor bases on originals.




Which brings up the question of; was the engine paint touched up over the years or was the over spray original?




I know of a 67 273 Commando that it is highly unlikely that it has ever been touched, but I wasn't there all 47 years. And I have a 69 that I believe to be original from a 340. Enough on that back to topic.


Careful, your character's showing!
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: mopar346] #1523425
10/26/13 01:22 AM
10/26/13 01:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
Please post any pics you guys can get.

Here is another consideration. The rears of the engines were often poorly covered in paint. It could be that the clamps held a cover for the distributor hole, or the distributor itself (with a cover over it to mask it) and that the engine paint simply missed most of the clamp and the surrounding area.

Study this pic of my original 71 340, all original paint, no touch ups ever. The dark areas on the rear of this engine is simply raw cast iron, no paint ever. The yellow colors you see are the block and head markings you'd see on a raw engine before it was painted.

7901078-340Rear.jpg (76 downloads)
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523426
10/26/13 01:27 AM
10/26/13 01:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
I think there were covers over the spark plugs as well, the bare cast iron spans both plug holes on both sides of the engine, very uniform.

7901083-340plugs.jpg (70 downloads)
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523427
10/26/13 01:37 AM
10/26/13 01:37 AM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 6,906
IL, Aurora
A
ademon Offline
master
ademon  Offline
master
A

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 6,906
IL, Aurora
most of the ones i have seen are unpainted and even a copper color/coating.

Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ademon] #1523428
10/26/13 01:38 AM
10/26/13 01:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
Yes, they should have been copper plated either way

Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523429
10/26/13 02:00 AM
10/26/13 02:00 AM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
M
mopar346 Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
mopar346  Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
M

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
Quote:

I think there were covers over the spark plugs as well, the bare cast iron spans both plug holes on both sides of the engine, very uniform.




Could that be from the heat shield and manifold blocking the paint since they were mounted before paint.


Careful, your character's showing!
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: mopar346] #1523430
10/26/13 02:10 AM
10/26/13 02:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline OP
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline OP
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
Quote:



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Could that be from the heat shield and manifold blocking the paint since they were mounted before paint.




No, that pic is on the passenger side, there is no gasket or shield and the manifold isn't in the way, the drivers side shield doesn't shield that area either, both sides (bare areas) look the same. The attached pic is the same engine, I removed the exhaust manifold for the first time ever (and put every bolt back into it's exact original place when I reinstalled it). You can see the bare areas that the exhaust manifold masked.

7901100-340passenger.jpg (49 downloads)
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523431
10/26/13 02:12 AM
10/26/13 02:12 AM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
M
mopar346 Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
mopar346  Offline
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
M

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
Interesting.


Careful, your character's showing!
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523432
10/26/13 02:15 AM
10/26/13 02:15 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,653
Cut and Shoot, TX
kentj340 Offline
top fuel
kentj340  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,653
Cut and Shoot, TX
My blue painted 69 340 had no blue paint on the clamp. But the clamp was black with what I thought was some kind of black plating or paint. The black did not seem to be grease or dirt. Anyhow it cleaned up recently with mild scrubbing to be copper plated steel, which totally surprised me.

As the original owner, I never, ever saw copper plating, even though I worked on the points and timing every year or two in the 70s and early 80s.

If there was no engine paint on the clamp, should the clamp have been noticeably copper plated? Or could it have arrived from the factory with black copper oxide on the copper plating?

"Oxidizing (blackening, coloring) of a copper workpiece is commonly carried out by immersion of the part into a heated alkaline solution containing an oxidizing compound (e.g. sodium chlorite)." From:

http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=black_copper_oxide_coating


If you don't see two dolphins, you need a vacation.
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1523433
10/26/13 06:58 AM
10/26/13 06:58 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,847
Oakdale CT
gdonovan Offline
I Live Here
gdonovan  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,847
Oakdale CT
I had one that had been parked since the 70's and the base of the distributor and clamp were the same color as the engine.




"I think its got a hemi"
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: gdonovan] #1523434
10/26/13 08:16 AM
10/26/13 08:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 499
Brownstown, PA
F
FJR doc Offline
mopar
FJR doc  Offline
mopar
F

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 499
Brownstown, PA
Just disassembled my 135,000 mile original engine last weekend. I changed out the original distributor back in 1979 but did nothing with the hold down clamp. It does have some orange paint on it but not much.


Follow my Duster 340 restoration progress on FABO http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=225784

Kevin
Re: Original 340 Owners = Distributor Hold Down Survey [Re: FJR doc] #1523435
10/26/13 02:10 PM
10/26/13 02:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 84
Minnesota, USA
Sublime70 Offline
member
Sublime70  Offline
member

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 84
Minnesota, USA
Original paint from a 65k mile 340, out of an A66 Challenger. All I see is the smallest flake of orange on the hold down. I should post more in the total anal thread.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1