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Total seal gapless?
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10/25/13 03:11 PM
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MrSixpack
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I building a 440 for my wife to bracket race. It is .030 over and I will use Total Seal gapless for the first time. Is it correct with .0195 on the top ring and .015 on the second gapless ring? And if I understood the instruction the oil ring should be at least .015 or is it bore x .015? I'm used to more gap on my all out racing engines so I'm a bit confused  Thanks 
1970 Super Stock Challenger ex. Paul Rossi
1968 Dodge Dart GT 340
1968 Dodge Charger /6 3 speed manual
1966 Chrysler 300 Loaded
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440
1968 Mini Cooper
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Re: Total seal gapless?
[Re: MrSixpack]
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10/25/13 03:39 PM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
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I'll try to summarize the upcoming debate as briefly as possible: Poster A - "Gapless rings don't work!  " Poster B - "Gapless top rings do... maybe.  " Poster C - "But nobody should run gapless 2nds!  " Carry on.
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Re: Total seal gapless?
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10/25/13 04:13 PM
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jamesc
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I would not build an engine that did not have Total Seal Gapless Top Rings in it. Every Super Stock and Stock Eliminator engine has picked up horsepower with the Total Seal Gapless Top Ring.
Jeff Taylor
Jeff Taylor Performance
I have been using the Total Seal Gapless Ring in my Pro Stock Engines for over 6 years. Every time I take it out and try another ring, I lose power. My Pro Stock Engines consistently have over 28” of vacuum. I recommend the Total Seal Gapless Ring to everybody.
Richard Maskin
Dart Machinery
The Total Seal Gapless Top Ring increases horsepower over a conventional ring in our normally aspirated, big cubic inch, aluminum engines. Their superior sealing and conformability are characteristics that we demand for our engines. The Total Seal Gapless Ring is the Ultimate Ring for these engines.
David Reher
Reher Morrison Racing Engines
I am fussier than most. I live and die by the blow by meter. Every engine I build uses Total Seal Rings. I use Total Seal Piston Rings because of their superior ring seal qualities. The service and Technical Support at Total Seal is 2nd to none.
Steve Schmidt
Steve Schmidt Competition Engines
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Re: Total seal gapless?
[Re: Performance Only]
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10/25/13 10:54 PM
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I'll try to summarize the upcoming debate as briefly as possible:
Poster A - "Gapless rings don't work! "
Poster B - "Gapless top rings do... maybe. "
Poster C - "But nobody should run gapless 2nds! "
Carry on.
I think I'll stay clear of the debate, but your post was good for a  it's pretty much right on.
Total Seal sells some very fast and advanced rings.......... I'm surprised they still sell gapless seconds..... Get lot's of gap on the second. 
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Re: Total seal gapless?
[Re: dakotawilly]
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10/26/13 10:53 AM
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MrSixpack
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I got them without paying anything, so thats why I will try to use them. I was going to try them on my blown alcohol hemi but if you guys say they are crap I'll maybe reconsider other options Thanks
1970 Super Stock Challenger ex. Paul Rossi
1968 Dodge Dart GT 340
1968 Dodge Charger /6 3 speed manual
1966 Chrysler 300 Loaded
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440
1968 Mini Cooper
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Re: Total seal gapless?
[Re: dakotawilly]
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10/26/13 03:42 PM
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BradH
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how about some gapless posts............
Go ahead and start one. I can offer testimonies from having used both the old Childs & Albert Z-Gap 2nd rings and Total Seal's Max Seal top ring design.
But I'll cut to the chase and tell you right now that my 452 rebuild is going back together with traditional Mahle top rings and Total Seal Napier 2nds.
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Re: Total seal gapless?
[Re: BradH]
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10/26/13 05:16 PM
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MrSixpack
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If gapless was the best all Stock and Super Stock guys would use them, but we don't. I have always used Childs & Albert filefit low tension rings on my engines, and even backcut them for even less tension. Only problem is the oil gets black after a few runs. But I'm thinking of using E85 on my wife's engine so I don't want to dilute the oil with alcohol. Thanks
1970 Super Stock Challenger ex. Paul Rossi
1968 Dodge Dart GT 340
1968 Dodge Charger /6 3 speed manual
1966 Chrysler 300 Loaded
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440
1968 Mini Cooper
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