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1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? #1521812
10/23/13 12:28 AM
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First...............

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Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1521813
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2......Same car

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Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1521814
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Supposedly too late of an SPD for an orange engine?


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1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs.
Over 2,000 thanks to you!
Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1521815
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Yes sir!


This is the third 1971 340 car I've documented with an orange engine installed way past the orange to blue color changeover (late March/early April or so). This cars SPD is May 21, 1971, yet the engines assembly date is WAY earlier (3373 10,000 day calendar date = Thursday October 22, 1970) and has an original VIN# sequence stamping that matches the cars VIN and fender tag. The other two cars were Demons and were Hamtramck plant cars, this one is the first B-body and the first Los Angeles car I've seen this way.

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Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1521816
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VIN#. Car is right here in Spokane!

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Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1521817
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Yep they pushed a rack or two of orange 340 engines into a corner and forgot about them till the first week of April, my demon is a SPD of April 2nd with a engine build date of I think November something 1970. You probably have the details of my engine better than I do Scott!

Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ademon] #1521818
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I see GW340 Windsor "orange" vs. (GM340) Mound Rd. "blue" '71 was the last year for the LA plant. With the plant shutting down/change of engine assembly plants I'm sure the orange VS. blue 340 issue is quite complicated for LA cars.

Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1521819
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Yes sir!


This is the third 1971 340 car I've documented with an orange engine installed way past the orange to blue color changeover (late March/early April or so). This cars SPD is May 21, 1971, yet the engines assembly date is WAY earlier (3373 10,000 day calendar date = Thursday October 22, 1970) and has an original VIN# sequence stamping that matches the cars VIN and fender tag. The other two cars were Demons and were Hamtramck plant cars, this one is the first B-body and the first Los Angeles car I've seen this way.




Typically issues like this can be explained by some sort of quality control measure that set a component (in this case an engine) aside from the production line for repair or re-work. The engine was likely removed from production at an earlier date. It was then re-worked and finally re-introduced back into production some time later. This type of event was not so uncommon then and still happens today.


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Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: 70gtx440dana] #1521820
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Yes sir!


This is the third 1971 340 car I've documented with an orange engine installed way past the orange to blue color changeover (late March/early April or so). This cars SPD is May 21, 1971, yet the engines assembly date is WAY earlier (3373 10,000 day calendar date = Thursday October 22, 1970) and has an original VIN# sequence stamping that matches the cars VIN and fender tag. The other two cars were Demons and were Hamtramck plant cars, this one is the first B-body and the first Los Angeles car I've seen this way.




Typically issues like this can be explained by some sort of quality control measure that set a component (in this case an engine) aside from the production line for repair or re-work. The engine was likely removed from production at an earlier date. It was then re-worked and finally re-introduced back into production some time later. This type of event was not so uncommon then and still happens today.


Mine has the sideways X with the Maltese cross and a A4 after the numbers. not sure if something is .010 under i think the Maltese cross is -.010 mains, and an A4 might have meant an oversize bore but not sure.

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Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ademon] #1521821
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Ademon, your engine and the other 71 late build demon that has an orange engine have something in common with each other, both engines were built on the same day (Friday November 16th 1970 if I recall,which is my birthday) that makes me think that it was an inventory issue as opposed to a faulty/repaired engine as described above.

Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ademon] #1521822
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Yep they pushed a rack or two of orange 340 engines into a corner and forgot about them till the first week of April, my demon is a SPD of April 2nd with a engine build date of I think November something 1970. You probably have the details of my engine better than I do Scott!




exactly correct!

Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ph23vo] #1521823
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Yep they pushed a rack or two of orange 340 engines into a corner and forgot about them till the first week of April, my demon is a SPD of April 2nd with a engine build date of I think November something 1970. You probably have the details of my engine better than I do Scott!




exactly correct!




Wow....you were there to witness these racks of engines being pushed into the corner.....forgotten about for several months and then being found again?? That is quite a coincidence.

I don't buy these engines as being misplaced as being the gospel truth!!! I still suspect some type of quality control measure took place and the engines were quarantined for a period of time until the issue was resolved. I saw this type of action on a daily basis while working at GM and a couple of large automotive suppliers. However, we will never know what really happened.....will we.


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Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: 70gtx440dana] #1521824
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Wasn't there, I was 2yo.. LOL

Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: ademon] #1521825
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Is there any way to re-stamp those numbers just below the left head? Nothing sinister, just the fact that the numbers can barely be read on my block. My VIN is fine...

Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1521826
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Is there any way to re-stamp those numbers just below the left head? Nothing sinister, just the fact that the numbers can barely be read on my block. My VIN is fine...




No,(good way to ruin your blocks authenticity having been altered though)..........and barely readable is plenty good enough.

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Is there any way to re-stamp those numbers just below the left head? Nothing sinister, just the fact that the numbers can barely be read on my block. My VIN is fine...




No,(good way to ruin your blocks authenticity having been altered though)..........and barely readable is plenty good enough.





Yeah, no doubt. All it would be doing is adding an element of suspicion.

Re: 1971 340 Owners - What's Wrong With These Pictures? [Re: 472 R/T SE] #1521828
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Is there any way to re-stamp those numbers just below the left head? Nothing sinister, just the fact that the numbers can barely be read on my block. My VIN is fine...




No,(good way to ruin your blocks authenticity having been altered though)..........and barely readable is plenty good enough.





Yeah, no doubt. All it would be doing is adding an element of suspicion.




Hmmm...you make a good point. Maybe I can just do the best that I can to preserve the original numbers.







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