Lighting - 68 Dart
#1516823
10/13/13 06:47 PM
10/13/13 06:47 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio
Crazy68Dart
OP
pro stock
|
OP
pro stock
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212
Canton, Ohio
|
Installed the battery for the first time in 11 years. Yay!
So... few questions because I have some gremlins to work out. I have been going around all the points testing ground resistance, voltage drop at various locations, etc. and everything looks good. Tapped the key and the engine cranked. So the relays, etc. are working.
Now, the lights have me a little confused. Mainly because I cannot remember how they are supposed to work. I did away with the fender mount signals that are aimed at the driver. Still have the fender marker lights though.
I have a non-stock headlight switch which I installed for the new dash. I was very careful when doing so and I am pretty confident that I tied it in properly. It was pretty straightforward.
If I pull the switch for park lamps, the two round center lamps in the grille light up. If I pull the switch for headlights, the inside park lamps turn off. The rear lamps function okay, but when I press the brake pedal the rear brake lights come on (as expected) but so do the front inner lamps in the grille (the turn signal filament), as well as the interior turn signal indicators.
Seems like something to do with the turn signal flasher possibly? I have not tried the turn signals because I don't have the stem in the column right now.
I don't have the FSM in front of me. I need to look at the schematics. It has been a few years since I did this stuff.
Sure is cool to see things all lit up. Gauges look good, headlight dimmer works for gauge lights. High beam switch works.
383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60
|
|
|
Re: Lighting - 68 Dart
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
#1516825
10/13/13 07:24 PM
10/13/13 07:24 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,606 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
Rhinodart
Rhinotruck
|
Rhinotruck
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 43,606
Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
|
Well I do know that in 68 only the front marker lights in the grill turn off when the headlights come on. The turn signal/marker lights in the grill do have separate ground wires that are screwed into the core support. No idea why they come on when your brake light do!
Last edited by Rhinodart; 10/13/13 07:26 PM.
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
|
|
|
Re: Lighting - 68 Dart
[Re: Rhinodart]
#1516828
10/13/13 08:01 PM
10/13/13 08:01 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio
Crazy68Dart
OP
pro stock
|
OP
pro stock
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212
Canton, Ohio
|
Quote:
Well I do know that in 68 only the front marker lights in the grill turn off when the headlights come on. The turn signal/marker lights in the grill do have separate ground wires that are screwed into the core support. No idea why they come on when your brake light do!
Okay. So, the grille lamps are only lit if the headlight switch is in the "parking light" position, or if signaling, correct? That helps a lot. I could not remember if they were on with the headlights or not.
I have the grill marker lights grounded. Yes, they have a separate ground wire for each side. Also, the headlight ground is on the core support as well.
I'll check the hazard switch. Good thought.
383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60
|
|
|
Re: Lighting - 68 Dart
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
#1516829
10/13/13 08:09 PM
10/13/13 08:09 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska
RapidRobert
Circle Track
|
Circle Track
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
|
as said make sure the hazard flasher switch is off. put the TS stalk in neutral. www.mymopar.com will have the wiring diagrams/colors for you. You mightt pull the dangling ts/brake harness under the steering colume & check it for continuities. With the stalk in neutral on the col half of the connector there should be continuity between the white "power in" wire coming downstream from the brake pedal switch and the 2 wires out to the dr/pass rear brake lights. Put the stalk up & down & check continuities on each. That'd be a start. EDIT Not sure on this but iirc safety regs in 69 & later required the front park lights to stay on for addit'l safety whereas in 68 down they went off when the headlights came on
Last edited by RapidRobert; 10/13/13 08:36 PM.
live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
|
|
|
Re: Lighting - 68 Dart
[Re: Rustydog]
#1516830
10/13/13 08:54 PM
10/13/13 08:54 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,364 PA
70HemiGTX
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,364
PA
|
Quote:
Front clearance lights in grill are not supposed to turn off when the headlamps are on. That is also a ground fault problem.
My Dart's front marker lights go out when I turn the headlights on. They also blink when I put the turnsignal or hazard switch on. I thought something was wrong also, but my inspection mechanic said that was normal for cars of that age and older to have the parking lights turn off when the headlights get turned on. Remember this was 1968 and older......
|
|
|
Re: Lighting - 68 Dart
[Re: 70HemiGTX]
#1516831
10/14/13 08:50 AM
10/14/13 08:50 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio
Crazy68Dart
OP
pro stock
|
OP
pro stock
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212
Canton, Ohio
|
It was the hazard switch. Thanks for reminding me. I have it mounted under the dash now, and probably would have been chasing my tail for a while. Flasher works with the key on, as expected. Front fender markers are working in fiberglass fenders. I needed to solder a ground wire to them and have them grounded at the core support with the other grounds. I'm glad I kept the marker lights in the quarters and fenders. I almost went the "smooth" route. But they just look so cool. I did a quick walk around. Quality is poor with my old tech cell phone but you get the idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMRW3FsAv88&feature=youtu.beThanks!
383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60
|
|
|
Re: Lighting - 68 Dart
[Re: burdar]
#1516834
10/14/13 07:33 PM
10/14/13 07:33 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio
Crazy68Dart
OP
pro stock
|
OP
pro stock
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212
Canton, Ohio
|
Thanks for the compliments. Fronts are 225/45/17, rears are 315/35s/17s. I think I could have went 335s, but was chicken. Wheels are AR Torq Thrust IIs. The rears are custom, 11" wide, 5.5" offset. I cannot remember the fronts off the top of my head. I wanna say 7" wide and 5.75" offset? They were a shelf wheel. I am running AlterKtion. Tires are all Nittos. Rears are the drag radials.
383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60
|
|
|
Re: Lighting - 68 Dart
[Re: demon440]
#1516837
10/15/13 07:44 AM
10/15/13 07:44 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio
Crazy68Dart
OP
pro stock
|
OP
pro stock
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,212
Canton, Ohio
|
stumpy, I didn't get a chance to pull the hazard relay, but I had the same thought and will check it. Quote:
Andy that dart is bad to the bone.
Thanks man! Long time coming.
383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60
|
|
|
|
|