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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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10/15/13 05:36 PM
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'67 Imperial would have had the 4-piston Budd brakes.. Pretty much the last discbrake system you want to swap to.
If fabbing a brake system together from existing Mopar-parts is no option then you'll have to spend money.
But, personally I would be miffed if I had shelled out well over 13-1500,- Euros (for barely adequate rotors) and I would still have to figure out possible brake-bias problems.
I agree, but wouldn't anything that is period correct to get the OP around the $2500.00 per yr. tax also be a 4 piston caliper system.
Randy
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: dodgefarmer]
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10/16/13 03:09 AM
10/16/13 03:09 AM
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The wilwood kit is less than 700$, and you also need the brakehoses. Otherwise it required just adapterplatess between the spindle and caliber adapter, which I made out of 3mm aluminum sheet, also had to drill and tap one bolt hole to the spindle and that's baout it. I can take pics of it if interested, overall it was a one day job including the "design". Oh yes, and almost forgot it saved over 50 lbs over the '73 factory discs.
Last edited by jyrki; 10/16/13 03:10 AM.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: jyrki]
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10/17/13 04:14 PM
10/17/13 04:14 PM
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Especially if you need to run 15 inch wheels I really don't see the point in putting anything on it other than the stock 73 stuff. We had that set up on our 24 Hours of Lemons 67 Fury and never had a problem. It ran 10 races with that set up and we never had brake fade. It would out brake 90% of the cars on the track and we were about 4000 pounds with the big block in it. We got some very good race pads which obviously helped a lot.
We swapped on a set of 4 piston viper front calipers and saw almost no difference in ultimate braking power. The only reason we changed over was because the single piston caliper was cracking the pads after our first 24 hour race which scared us a little but if you are on the street that would not be a problem.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: tallzag]
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10/18/13 02:20 AM
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I agree, the '73 set up is very good. I would say better than the 11" Wilwoods. However, it's heavy, and they really don't grow in the trees here in Europe.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: jyrki]
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10/18/13 02:55 PM
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Pull the drums off your spindles. Grab some aftermarket rotors for an early 2000s Mercedes E-class. Try a diesel or smaller gas car. They should have 11-1/2" rotors 1-1/4" thick.
Open the center register of the Mercedes rotor and it should slip over the drum brake hub.
Build a bracket to mount a common single piston caliper and you're good to go.
I used 2005 S55 rotors to get a deeper offset. I had to pull the rotor back as far as possible to clear the pistons on the outside of the caliper.
Check with your local MB dealership. They might have a used rotor or two for you to test.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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10/18/13 05:58 PM
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I was looking at front discs.
The MB bolt pattern is off by roughly 0.25 mm per side. They use a 14 mm bolt on the 211 cars. That's bigger than the 1/2" stud from Chrysler.
Works great.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: feets]
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10/21/13 02:47 PM
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Pull the drums off your spindles. Grab some aftermarket rotors for an early 2000s Mercedes E-class. Try a diesel or smaller gas car. They should have 11-1/2" rotors 1-1/4" thick.
Open the center register of the Mercedes rotor and it should slip over the drum brake hub.
Build a bracket to mount a common single piston caliper and you're good to go.
I used 2005 S55 rotors to get a deeper offset. I had to pull the rotor back as far as possible to clear the pistons on the outside of the caliper.
Check with your local MB dealership. They might have a used rotor or two for you to test.
you have any more pic of your setup? i need to attempt this on a 66c body and a truck  
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: OzHemi]
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10/22/13 05:12 AM
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Another possibility for a semi-modern set up could be to use the Scarebird set up but with different calipers. By this you get the 11.78” / 1.25” discs combined with either the single piston 1999 Dodge Ram caliper, or the 2 pistons Dodge Ram Caliper or the SSBC caliper with two pistons aluminum design. I just can´t find anything about the bore diameter of the 2 piston OEM Dodge Ram caliper. The single piston has a bore diameter of max 2.75”. The SSBC has two 2.126” pistons. So the piston area is 5.94 (single) vs. 7.1 (two piston). Calipers from SSBC, seems to be a 1:1 replacement. http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/ssb-a186-1/overview/make/dodge
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: OzHemi]
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10/22/13 01:43 PM
10/22/13 01:43 PM
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If you close your eyes to the car they are bolted onto...this is pretty much what feets did.. 
You need 18" wheels to clear... (or larger depeding on the wheel)
And my rear setup for the heck of it...matching rear calipers off of the same sorta Benz..
you guys are giving me bad ideas , now if i can just figure out the hub setup lol
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: feets]
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10/22/13 10:44 PM
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now if i can just figure out the hub setup lol
Oz and I use the same brakes front and rear.
I stuck a pair of rotors on my lathe and cut off everything past the hub. That gave me a good set of hubs.
The Mercedes rotors needed the center registers opened up a wee bit. The bolt pattern is off by the tiniest margin. If the shank on your lugs doesn't stick out very far you might be able to slide the rotors over your lugs.
so machine the rotor off the hub part and use it for the new rotor to attach too
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