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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: mshred]
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09/18/13 06:39 PM
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The guy I know who said the airwolfs looked super good I really trust to make a knowledgable appraisal of them. His stuff has always ran good. I know he has ran eddies, Indy heads and W8's in the past on different stuff.
I agree though it will be interesting to see how they work when someone sets them on a potent shortblock and makes laps with them
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: AndyF]
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09/18/13 09:48 PM
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cnc'd eddy's by mch, here fwiw best et in my sig
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: AndyF]
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09/18/13 10:33 PM
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Call the guys at Hughes and talk to them about their ported Edelbrock heads. LA and/or Magnum. You can make 650 hp with those heads and it won't cost a fortune. 650 hp should get you the ET goal that you're looking for and the aluminum heads will drop 50 lbs off the front of your car.
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: mshred]
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09/18/13 11:57 PM
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Have you given up on talking to Brian @ IMM? The only reason I ask is because Brian does know what he is doing. I do know that broadening your knowledge base is good but there is a million ways to skin a cat and they all do it differently. I started talking to Brian over 7 years ago about my stuff and I'm sure that he has learned a lot in the past 7 years. The et posted in my signature was done with a 750dp and an out of the box Indy intake and the duration specs on the cam are smaller than most. The DA on that day was above 4000'. I've been reading all the threads that you have had running about your car and I think you got most of the goods that you need. I also think that taking the low gear set out should help. BTW: My car in the picture went 11.49 @ 116, with a 360, KB pistons,.509 Purple shaft, j-Heads, M1 intake and 750DP. I'm sure I'm a little bit lighter than you but Stock Eliminator cars also carry weight. Good Luck  matt
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: clonestocker]
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09/19/13 12:20 AM
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Have you given up on talking to Brian @ IMM? The only reason I ask is because Brian does know what he is doing. I do know that broadening your knowledge base is good but there is a million ways to skin a cat and they all do it differently. I started talking to Brian over 7 years ago about my stuff and I'm sure that he has learned a lot in the past 7 years. The et posted in my signature was done with a 750dp and an out of the box Indy intake and the duration specs on the cam are smaller than most. The DA on that day was above 4000'. I've been reading all the threads that you have had running about your car and I think you got most of the goods that you need. I also think that taking the low gear set out should help. BTW: My car in the picture went 11.49 @ 116, with a 360, KB pistons,.509 Purple shaft, j-Heads, M1 intake and 750DP. I'm sure I'm a little bit lighter than you but Stock Eliminator cars also carry weight. Good Luck matt
Not to sound rude, but why would this post, or any post I make for that matter mean that I am no longer talking to Brian at IMM? Im not even remotely close to purchasing anything...I just see all these threads about Indy heads, and I have tried to learn about the differences myself with little to no luck...I posted my question here because Brian is a busy man and I can't bug him about every little thing that comes to my mind lol. I do know that Brian is an Indy dealer, and I have seen his threads about them as well...You can bet that if I had to buy a set, he would more than likely be the first guy I would be calling. But im not there yet, not even close.
As far as the current combo goes, its running pretty good I would say for what it is...pump gas, 3535lbs with me in it, 11.20's in the HEAT...I just need it to go faster lol. And actually, I am adding a low gear set, not removing it. Brian and I decided that it with the dual plane intake manifold should really help get this thing off the line, and if I can get the 60's down, then e/t should come with that as well.
I am not making any changes yet...for heaven sake I haven't even put the car into storage and still have another outing (or 2 if I can get a trailer) before I call it a season and winter arrives. I just have a wandering mind and like to learn new things as my curiousity gets the best of me 
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: justinp61]
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09/19/13 12:22 AM
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The airwolfs are pro comps right? A local chevy racer has ran pro comps on both small block and big blocks. He had the same issues with on both, they cracked and leaked water where the lower head bolt boss was machined.
I haven't heard of but one car running them so I'd hold off for a while until they have proven them self's.
I've been pleased with my Edelbrocks so far they've been faster than I had expected when I built my 408. 6.57 @ 104 with a 1.38 60' in a 3260# street/strip Dart, 10.9-1 compression with a 260/264 @ .050", .628/.633 flat solid and 4.10 gears. I only shift it at 6400, plus I drive it a bunch.
When and if I ever step it up I'll go with a R block and Indys or a Gen 3 Hemi. For the money I like the Hemi.
I agree that its nice to not be the guinea pig for a new product, which is why I have been trying to see if any others have used them and with what kind of results in terms of performance and reliability.
g3 would be my ultimate dream build, but at this point im already balls deep in the small block thing, and I don't want another winter of a total combo change...little things here and there, but for now im done with drastic changes. Next thing on the agenda is getting my own place, and one that has a garage to shelter this thing lol
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: mshred]
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09/19/13 01:44 AM
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I've also been watching your past posts and I know you have specific ideas about your car. That being said you could be leaving quite a bit on the table by not increasing your timing and dropping your exhaust. I know you had some issues with it pinging so you limited your timing. I know you want to run an exhaust, but maybe what you currently have is a restriction (May need to go bigger or with less restrictive mufflers) By changing other things without verifying those items might be a waste of money. Put some high octane fuel in it and bump your timing then make a pass or two (you could run a dedicated fuel system just for the track). Disconnect your exhaust and move it out of the way and make a pass or two. If this doesn't help at least you can say this isn't your problem. Just throwing money at it might get you where you want to be, but you might already have all that you need! But at this point you just don't know. Just my  and not trying to tell you what to do, just trying to help like everyone else. Good luck, it looks like a really nice car
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: urdustd]
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09/19/13 12:26 PM
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I've ran a pretty stout small block ( vac pump super victor intake, big tube headers, large solid roller cam and MCH CNC eddy heads ) and made my way up to almost 630 hp with an X block.... I dont know if 650 is achievable without some real serious cam ( i was at 650 lift and 245 dur ) and some serious cash.
Honestly your weak link will be your stock block at anything close to where you want to be - if you want 650 hp you are going to have a short life on a stock small block, and pay over again when it goes.
A proper plan, and one that can grow with your budget, is a good case here. much like when i went from stock eddy heads, a small roller, and a dual plane intake and made 511 hp, all the way up with the same short block.
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
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09/19/13 12:47 PM
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I think if you sort out what you have you will be happy , going to indys will cost you $$ and with out the correct bottom end will only show minmal gains as for the 245 cnc indys ,they are good for holding my door open ,and watering my garden 6 cracks in intake port on 2 heads ,I know of at least 10 other people that have had trouble with them,as for the 230 s seem to have less trouble and work better on 408 , but they need a make over ,seats ,guides etc ,save ya money and you will get there
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: DJVCuda]
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09/19/13 01:19 PM
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Honestly your weak link will be your stock block at anything close to where you want to be - if you want 650 hp you are going to have a short life on a stock small block, and pay over again when it goes.
I was wondering when this would be brought up. Even with a 1/2 fill and good parts , over 600h.p. is that mythical gray area where things may or may not go south.
No love for Commando's ? I have not seen much in the way of ink on them , but on paper , the Super Commando makes sense on a lot of levels.
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: mshred]
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09/19/13 09:47 PM
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Not to sound rude, but why would this post, or any post I make for that matter mean that I am no longer talking to Brian at IMM? Im not even remotely close to purchasing anything...I just see all these threads about Indy heads, and I have tried to learn about the differences myself with little to no luck...I posted my question here because Brian is a busy man and I can't bug him about every little thing that comes to my mind lol. I do know that Brian is an Indy dealer, and I have seen his threads about them as well...You can bet that if I had to buy a set, he would more than likely be the first guy I would be calling. But im not there yet, not even close.
As far as the current combo goes, its running pretty good I would say for what it is...pump gas, 3535lbs with me in it, 11.20's in the HEAT...I just need it to go faster lol. And actually, I am adding a low gear set, not removing it. Brian and I decided that it with the dual plane intake manifold should really help get this thing off the line, and if I can get the 60's down, then e/t should come with that as well.
I am not making any changes yet...for heaven sake I haven't even put the car into storage and still have another outing (or 2 if I can get a trailer) before I call it a season and winter arrives. I just have a wandering mind and like to learn new things as my curiousity gets the best of me
Wasn't trying to bash you at all. I guess what I was trying to point out is all this input will drive you CRAZY  My thinking on the Low Gear set is when you start building a lot of power they spank the tire real hard (almost to much) in my opinion. But what's that worth . I'm not an expert on Cyl heads and flow but just because a head flows good #'s doesn't mean it's going to make power on the bottom. Port speed and all that stuff which I nothing about. I will stay out of your inquiries and watch and learn. The best of Luck in getting that 10 sec time slip. matt
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: clonestocker]
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09/20/13 12:35 AM
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Hey guys, I appreciate all the suggestions, but I really did not want to AGAIN get into what everyone thinks my car needs lol. I really was just trying to understand the different heads from Indy...thats it! lol I have 34 degrees of timing this year in my motor with no issues...I turned it down because the car PICKED UP like that, nothing else. For some reason everyone seems to think that I have ran super low timing this whole time, but I have not...I have tried all sorts of jetting and timing combinations, so its not like im leavig those things on the table. Will I try them again- sure, but its not like I havent before...And again, exhaust- It is NOT coming off...Street cars run exhausts, period. As for this 650hp thing...I never said that was my goal LOL. B3 started mentioning getting 650hp out of airwolf heads, and somehow it has been interpreted as what I am looking for. Would that power be nice? sure, but I myself already knew that even with a filled block one is on borrowed time at those power levels. I also totally realize that flow numbers aren't everything, which is again why I am looking to see how the heads actually perform on different combos, as im sure many others are, before drawing conclusions about those heads...What the head looks like and flows on paper does not always mean it will work good on the motor and in the car. Sorry if I have come off a bit harsh here, but I am really not looking to change my car at this point...In fact, I'd rather leave it alone! I am going to run it and see what it does, and just do as I have done this entire time- analyze my data and go from there
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Re: Indy SB head offerings and their differences
[Re: clonestocker]
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09/20/13 12:38 AM
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Not to sound rude, but why would this post, or any post I make for that matter mean that I am no longer talking to Brian at IMM? Im not even remotely close to purchasing anything...I just see all these threads about Indy heads, and I have tried to learn about the differences myself with little to no luck...I posted my question here because Brian is a busy man and I can't bug him about every little thing that comes to my mind lol. I do know that Brian is an Indy dealer, and I have seen his threads about them as well...You can bet that if I had to buy a set, he would more than likely be the first guy I would be calling. But im not there yet, not even close.
As far as the current combo goes, its running pretty good I would say for what it is...pump gas, 3535lbs with me in it, 11.20's in the HEAT...I just need it to go faster lol. And actually, I am adding a low gear set, not removing it. Brian and I decided that it with the dual plane intake manifold should really help get this thing off the line, and if I can get the 60's down, then e/t should come with that as well.
I am not making any changes yet...for heaven sake I haven't even put the car into storage and still have another outing (or 2 if I can get a trailer) before I call it a season and winter arrives. I just have a wandering mind and like to learn new things as my curiousity gets the best of me
Wasn't trying to bash you at all. I guess what I was trying to point out is all this input will drive you CRAZY My thinking on the Low Gear set is when you start building a lot of power they spank the tire real hard (almost to much) in my opinion. But what's that worth . I'm not an expert on Cyl heads and flow but just because a head flows good #'s doesn't mean it's going to make power on the bottom. Port speed and all that stuff which I nothing about. I will stay out of your inquiries and watch and learn. The best of Luck in getting that 10 sec time slip. matt
Dude, you read me ALL wrong...I never said you are trying to bash me. I just wanted it to be clear that I am not looking for ideas for my motor (my wallet keeps that in check lol), I was just looking to understand some of the choices out there. The input of you and others is always appreciated- even though I have been at this for a few years now, many here are more experienced then me or have advice to give which I always appreciate. I just never intended for this thread to again be "mshred needs to try this and do that for that elusive 10 sec. timeslip" lol. I really did not want this to be about me...I swear lol. There was some good dialogue and discussion that stemmed from my question, which is always awesome, but I want to leave my car out of this
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